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Alan - G4GNX
Does anyone know where I can buy a small quantity of the 2D Fasteners that hold Elecraft cases together? These are the aluminum blocks with 2 threaded holes on one pair of sides and 1 threaded hole in the other pair of sides.

Is there an alternative name for them? I tried Google and came up with nothing.

73,

Alan. G4GNX

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Re: 2D Fasteners

EricJ
I bet they're proprietary to Elecraft, but I don't know that for sure.
Easy to make if you have a drill press, hacksaw and 4-40 drill and tap.
Hard to make without. If you make them, observe and measure very
carefully. The holes are not centered on the block. They're offset ~1 mm
from centerline. I forget exact dimensions. Be exact.

Eric KE6US


On 3/16/2018 11:12 AM, G4GNX wrote:

> Does anyone know where I can buy a small quantity of the 2D Fasteners that hold Elecraft cases together? These are the aluminum blocks with 2 threaded holes on one pair of sides and 1 threaded hole in the other pair of sides.
>
> Is there an alternative name for them? I tried Google and came up with nothing.
>
> 73,
>
> Alan. G4GNX
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Re: 2D Fasteners

Wes Stewart-2
I've never understood why a three-dimensional object is called "2D".

On 3/16/2018 11:41 AM, EricJ wrote:

> I bet they're proprietary to Elecraft, but I don't know that for sure. Easy to
> make if you have a drill press, hacksaw and 4-40 drill and tap. Hard to make
> without. If you make them, observe and measure very carefully. The holes are
> not centered on the block. They're offset ~1 mm from centerline. I forget
> exact dimensions. Be exact.
>
> Eric KE6US
>
>
> On 3/16/2018 11:12 AM, G4GNX wrote:
>> Does anyone know where I can buy a small quantity of the 2D Fasteners that
>> hold Elecraft cases together? These are the aluminum blocks with 2 threaded
>> holes on one pair of sides and 1 threaded hole in the other pair of sides.
>>
>> Is there an alternative name for them? I tried Google and came up with nothing.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Alan. G4GNX

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Re: 2D Fasteners

Iain MacDonnell - N6ML-2
On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Wes Stewart <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I've never understood why a three-dimensional object is called "2D".

Presumably because they *fasten* in two dimensions (there are no
threaded holes in the ends of the blocks).

73,

    ~iain / N6ML



> On 3/16/2018 11:41 AM, EricJ wrote:
>>
>> I bet they're proprietary to Elecraft, but I don't know that for sure.
>> Easy to make if you have a drill press, hacksaw and 4-40 drill and tap. Hard
>> to make without. If you make them, observe and measure very carefully. The
>> holes are not centered on the block. They're offset ~1 mm from centerline. I
>> forget exact dimensions. Be exact.
>>
>> Eric KE6US
>>
>>
>> On 3/16/2018 11:12 AM, G4GNX wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone know where I can buy a small quantity of the 2D Fasteners
>>> that hold Elecraft cases together? These are the aluminum blocks with 2
>>> threaded holes on one pair of sides and 1 threaded hole in the other pair of
>>> sides.
>>>
>>> Is there an alternative name for them? I tried Google and came up with
>>> nothing.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Alan. G4GNX
>
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Re: 2D Fasteners

wayne burdick
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Hi Alan,

We designed these specifically for our products; they are not available commercially.

Please contact sales if you require a small quantity of them.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Mar 16, 2018, at 11:12 AM, G4GNX <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know where I can buy a small quantity of the 2D Fasteners that hold Elecraft cases together? These are the aluminum blocks with 2 threaded holes on one pair of sides and 1 threaded hole in the other pair of sides.
>
> Is there an alternative name for them? I tried Google and came up with nothing.
>
> 73,
>
> Alan. G4GNX



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Re: 2D Fasteners

Don Wilhelm
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Alan,

That is a custom design by Elecraft, so I doubt there are alternate sources.
You can order by contacting Elecaft sales ([hidden email]) and ask
for p/n E100078 - 2-D Fastener.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/16/2018 2:12 PM, G4GNX wrote:
> Does anyone know where I can buy a small quantity of the 2D Fasteners that hold Elecraft cases together? These are the aluminum blocks with 2 threaded holes on one pair of sides and 1 threaded hole in the other pair of sides.
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Re: 2D Fasteners

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They are only able to connect one plane to another plane.  They cannot
connect three planes at one time.  Making a 2D connection is what they do.

    Kevin.  KD5ONS


On 03/16/2018 11:47 AM, Wes Stewart wrote:

> I've never understood why a three-dimensional object is called "2D".
>
> On 3/16/2018 11:41 AM, EricJ wrote:
>> I bet they're proprietary to Elecraft, but I don't know that for
>> sure. Easy to make if you have a drill press, hacksaw and 4-40 drill
>> and tap. Hard to make without. If you make them, observe and measure
>> very carefully. The holes are not centered on the block. They're
>> offset ~1 mm from centerline. I forget exact dimensions. Be exact.
>>
>> Eric KE6US
>>
>>
>> On 3/16/2018 11:12 AM, G4GNX wrote:
>>> Does anyone know where I can buy a small quantity of the 2D
>>> Fasteners that hold Elecraft cases together? These are the aluminum
>>> blocks with 2 threaded holes on one pair of sides and 1 threaded
>>> hole in the other pair of sides.
>>>
>>> Is there an alternative name for them? I tried Google and came up
>>> with nothing.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Alan. G4GNX
>
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Re: 2D Fasteners

wayne burdick
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But they *do* allow you to join two enclosure planes while also supporting a PCB or other hardware. That was the intent of the design. (I invented these in 1998 :)

Wayne
N6KR



> On Mar 16, 2018, at 12:29 PM, kevinr <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> They are only able to connect one plane to another plane.  They cannot connect three planes at one time.  Making a 2D connection is what they do.
>
>    Kevin.  KD5ONS
>
>
> On 03/16/2018 11:47 AM, Wes Stewart wrote:
>> I've never understood why a three-dimensional object is called "2D".
>>
>> On 3/16/2018 11:41 AM, EricJ wrote:
>>> I bet they're proprietary to Elecraft, but I don't know that for sure. Easy to make if you have a drill press, hacksaw and 4-40 drill and tap. Hard to make without. If you make them, observe and measure very carefully. The holes are not centered on the block. They're offset ~1 mm from centerline. I forget exact dimensions. Be exact.
>>>
>>> Eric KE6US
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/16/2018 11:12 AM, G4GNX wrote:
>>>> Does anyone know where I can buy a small quantity of the 2D Fasteners that hold Elecraft cases together? These are the aluminum blocks with 2 threaded holes on one pair of sides and 1 threaded hole in the other pair of sides.
>>>>
>>>> Is there an alternative name for them? I tried Google and came up with nothing.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>> Alan. G4GNX
>>
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Re: 2D Fasteners

Alan - G4GNX
Perhaps the incorrect wording is being assumed.

3D is 3 Dimensional to most folks.

2D in this particular case is probably better described as 2 Directional (as
in fixing item 1 to item 2).

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Burdick
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 7:36 PM
To: kevinr
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 2D Fasteners

But they *do* allow you to join two enclosure planes while also supporting a
PCB or other hardware. That was the intent of the design. (I invented these
in 1998 :)

Wayne
N6KR



> On Mar 16, 2018, at 12:29 PM, kevinr <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> They are only able to connect one plane to another plane.  They cannot
> connect three planes at one time.  Making a 2D connection is what they do.
>
>    Kevin.  KD5ONS

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Re: 2D Fasteners

Alan - G4GNX
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Thanks Don and everyone else who replied. I had not realised that they are
proprietary to Elecraft.

I've had one possible offer of some spare ones, but if I need more, I'll
contact Elecraft Sales.

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Wilhelm
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 7:17 PM
To: G4GNX ; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 2D Fasteners

Alan,

That is a custom design by Elecraft, so I doubt there are alternate sources.
You can order by contacting Elecaft sales ([hidden email]) and ask
for p/n E100078 - 2-D Fastener.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/16/2018 2:12 PM, G4GNX wrote:
> Does anyone know where I can buy a small quantity of the 2D Fasteners that
> hold Elecraft cases together? These are the aluminum blocks with 2
> threaded holes on one pair of sides and 1 threaded hole in the other pair
> of sides.

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Re: 2D Fasteners

Wes Stewart-2
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Johnny come lately:  I invented them in nineteen seventy something.  And mine
really are 3D :-)

http://sadxa.org/n7ws/K7CVT_Amp_Input_Compartment.jpg

Overall views here: http://sadxa.org/n7ws.html

Wes  N7WS ex K7CVT


On 3/16/2018 12:36 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> But they *do* allow you to join two enclosure planes while also supporting a PCB or other hardware. That was the intent of the design. (I invented these in 1998 :)
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>

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Re: 2D Fasteners

wayne burdick
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You win :)

W

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> On Mar 16, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Wes Stewart <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Johnny come lately:  I invented them in nineteen seventy something.  And mine really are 3D :-)
>
> http://sadxa.org/n7ws/K7CVT_Amp_Input_Compartment.jpg
>
> Overall views here: http://sadxa.org/n7ws.html
>
> Wes  N7WS ex K7CVT
>
>
>> On 3/16/2018 12:36 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> But they *do* allow you to join two enclosure planes while also supporting a PCB or other hardware. That was the intent of the design. (I invented these in 1998 :)
>>
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
>>
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Re: 2D Fasteners

Wes Stewart-2
I'm glad you see it my way :-)

BTW, a couple of our other club members projects are worth taking a look at.

Also, one of our members reported at last night's meeting that he received his
KPA1500 the day before but didn't have in on the air yet.

Wes

On 3/16/2018 1:34 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> You win :)
>
> W
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>> On Mar 16, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Wes Stewart <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Johnny come lately:  I invented them in nineteen seventy something.  And mine really are 3D :-)
>>
>> http://sadxa.org/n7ws/K7CVT_Amp_Input_Compartment.jpg
>>
>> Overall views here: http://sadxa.org/n7ws.html
>>
>> Wes  N7WS ex K7CVT
>>

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Re: 2D Fasteners

Bill K9YEQ
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And a great invention at that.  I was amazed at how simple and yet so functional.  Came with the K2!  Beautiful.

72 & 73,
Bill
K9YEQ
FT'er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc.

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Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 2:36 PM
To: kevinr <[hidden email]>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 2D Fasteners

But they *do* allow you to join two enclosure planes while also supporting a PCB or other hardware. That was the intent of the design. (I invented these in 1998 :)

Wayne
N6KR



> On Mar 16, 2018, at 12:29 PM, kevinr <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> They are only able to connect one plane to another plane.  They cannot connect three planes at one time.  Making a 2D connection is what they do.
>
>    Kevin.  KD5ONS
>
>
> On 03/16/2018 11:47 AM, Wes Stewart wrote:
>> I've never understood why a three-dimensional object is called "2D".
>>
>> On 3/16/2018 11:41 AM, EricJ wrote:
>>> I bet they're proprietary to Elecraft, but I don't know that for sure. Easy to make if you have a drill press, hacksaw and 4-40 drill and tap. Hard to make without. If you make them, observe and measure very carefully. The holes are not centered on the block. They're offset ~1 mm from centerline. I forget exact dimensions. Be exact.
>>>
>>> Eric KE6US
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/16/2018 11:12 AM, G4GNX wrote:
>>>> Does anyone know where I can buy a small quantity of the 2D Fasteners that hold Elecraft cases together? These are the aluminum blocks with 2 threaded holes on one pair of sides and 1 threaded hole in the other pair of sides.
>>>>
>>>> Is there an alternative name for them? I tried Google and came up with nothing.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>> Alan. G4GNX
>>
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Re: 2D Fasteners

Don Wilhelm
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Wes,

If you are referring to the aluminum angle stock, I used that back in
1960 when constructing a amplifier.  I did not think I "invented" it,
and at that time I did not have a drill press, just a hand drill and a
tap, so the holes were not precisely spaced.  It worked well, and
complied with the TVI problem of that time (put everything in a shielded
box).

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/16/2018 4:28 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:

> Johnny come lately:  I invented them in nineteen seventy something.  And
> mine really are 3D :-)
>
> http://sadxa.org/n7ws/K7CVT_Amp_Input_Compartment.jpg
>
> Overall views here: http://sadxa.org/n7ws.html
>
> Wes  N7WS ex K7CVT
>
>
> On 3/16/2018 12:36 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> But they *do* allow you to join two enclosure planes while also
>> supporting a PCB or other hardware. That was the intent of the design.
>> (I invented these in 1998 :)
>>
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
>>
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Re: 2D Fasteners

kevinr@coho.net
The same principle has been used in woodworking for quite a long time. 
My father learned it from his grandfather for cabinet making.  I am
currently watching the British '70s television series Connections. 
Re-inventing things over the centuries is quite common.  The problem
which needs to be solved pushes the imagination of the builder into
crafting similar answers.

    73,

       Kevin.  KD5ONS


On 03/16/2018 03:37 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> Wes,
>
> If you are referring to the aluminum angle stock, I used that back in
> 1960 when constructing a amplifier.  I did not think I "invented" it,
> and at that time I did not have a drill press, just a hand drill and a
> tap, so the holes were not precisely spaced. It worked well, and
> complied with the TVI problem of that time (put everything in a
> shielded box).
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 3/16/2018 4:28 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
>> Johnny come lately:  I invented them in nineteen seventy something. 
>> And mine really are 3D :-)
>>
>> http://sadxa.org/n7ws/K7CVT_Amp_Input_Compartment.jpg
>>
>> Overall views here: http://sadxa.org/n7ws.html
>>
>> Wes  N7WS ex K7CVT
>>
>>
>> On 3/16/2018 12:36 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>> But they *do* allow you to join two enclosure planes while also
>>> supporting a PCB or other hardware. That was the intent of the
>>> design. (I invented these in 1998 :)
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: 2D Fasteners

Wes Stewart-2
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Don,

I've used angle stock on more primitive projects but if you look at the
picture(s) you can see that the flat plates are joined with 3/8" square aluminum
bar stock.  I used T6 material for its clean drilling and threading properties. 
The flat plates are all 6061-T6 material as well.  Everything was laid out on a
granite surface plate with the work held vertically and layout lines scribed
with a vernier height gauge.  The holes were matched drilled in the plates and
bar stock.  The bar stock was threaded (8-32) and the plates drilled for screw
clearance .  But because of the precise layout the parts were still interchangeable.

Everything was power sanded, dipped in a caustic batch to slightly etch the
surface, water rinsed, dipped in an acid bath to remove the smut, rinsed again
and then given a conversion treatment (Alodine).  All of the lettering was
engraved and filled with India ink and a drafting pen.  All of this was SOP on
the specialized test equipment we built at Hughes back in the day.

The only pieces in these two amplifiers that I didn't fab myself were the two
clamps for the cold ends of the plate lines on the 8877 amp.  I did do all of
the silver plating as well.

Wes


  On 3/16/2018 3:37 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> Wes,
>
> If you are referring to the aluminum angle stock, I used that back in 1960
> when constructing a amplifier.  I did not think I "invented" it, and at that
> time I did not have a drill press, just a hand drill and a tap, so the holes
> were not precisely spaced. It worked well, and complied with the TVI problem
> of that time (put everything in a shielded box).
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 3/16/2018 4:28 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
>> Johnny come lately:  I invented them in nineteen seventy something.  And mine
>> really are 3D :-)
>>
>> http://sadxa.org/n7ws/K7CVT_Amp_Input_Compartment.jpg
>>
>> Overall views here: http://sadxa.org/n7ws.html
>>
>> Wes  N7WS ex K7CVT
>>
>>
>> On 3/16/2018 12:36 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>> But they *do* allow you to join two enclosure planes while also supporting a
>>> PCB or other hardware. That was the intent of the design. (I invented these
>>> in 1998 :)
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: 2D Fasteners

ke9uw
I think Wayne’s short 2D fasteners are kind of special. Being just long enough for the joint, they allow an adjustment that I’ve used so many times constructing the K transceivers, etc. to fit the panels and boards just so. Also light weight.

Chuck
KE9UW Urbana, IL

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> On Mar 16, 2018, at 10:54 PM, Wes Stewart <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Don,
>
> I've used angle stock on more primitive projects but if you look at the picture(s) you can see that the flat plates are joined with 3/8" square aluminum bar stock.  I used T6 material for its clean drilling and threading properties.  The flat plates are all 6061-T6 material as well.  Everything was laid out on a granite surface plate with the work held vertically and layout lines scribed with a vernier height gauge.  The holes were matched drilled in the plates and bar stock.  The bar stock was threaded (8-32) and the plates drilled for screw clearance .  But because of the precise layout the parts were still interchangeable.
>
> Everything was power sanded, dipped in a caustic batch to slightly etch the surface, water rinsed, dipped in an acid bath to remove the smut, rinsed again and then given a conversion treatment (Alodine).  All of the lettering was engraved and filled with India ink and a drafting pen.  All of this was SOP on the specialized test equipment we built at Hughes back in the day.
>
> The only pieces in these two amplifiers that I didn't fab myself were the two clamps for the cold ends of the plate lines on the 8877 amp.  I did do all of the silver plating as well.
>
> Wes
>
>
>>  On 3/16/2018 3:37 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Wes,
>>
>> If you are referring to the aluminum angle stock, I used that back in 1960 when constructing a amplifier.  I did not think I "invented" it, and at that time I did not have a drill press, just a hand drill and a tap, so the holes were not precisely spaced. It worked well, and complied with the TVI problem of that time (put everything in a shielded box).
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>>> On 3/16/2018 4:28 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
>>> Johnny come lately:  I invented them in nineteen seventy something.  And mine really are 3D :-)
>>>
>>> http://sadxa.org/n7ws/K7CVT_Amp_Input_Compartment.jpg
>>>
>>> Overall views here: http://sadxa.org/n7ws.html
>>>
>>> Wes  N7WS ex K7CVT
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 3/16/2018 12:36 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>>> But they *do* allow you to join two enclosure planes while also supporting a PCB or other hardware. That was the intent of the design. (I invented these in 1998 :)
>>>>
>>>> Wayne
>>>> N6KR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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Re: 2D Fasteners

Phil Kane-2
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On 3/16/2018 3:56 PM, kevinr wrote:

> Re-inventing things over the centuries is quite common.  The problem
> which needs to be solved pushes the imagination of the builder into
> crafting similar answers.

Inventing something is a no-brainer.  Getting patent protection for it
is something else!
My wife's grandfather had several hundred patents in the paper-handling
industry.  At least one was violated by Eastman Kodak with no viable
recourse.!!

Back to radio......

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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Re: 2D Fasteners

Jim Wilson
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Wayne and others

The 2D fasteners - invented, patented or not - they make
for some beautiful cabinets. They are both stylish and
a delight to use.

More good from Elecraft

Jim - W4RKS
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