500 Hz filter measurement?

[PaulF]

> W4ZV wrote:
> You only need the two -6 dB points, which can be measured to a resolution of
> 1 Hz and 0.1 dB using the internal AFV/dBV function.  You should set AGC Off
> and ensure WIDTH (i.e. the DSP BW) is >> than the filter you are
> measuring...otherwise you're measuring the combination of XFIL plus DSP.  I
> do this by disabling all filters except the one under test and setting WIDTH
> >> XFIL BW.  Once you have the two -6 dB points, then you can figure how
> much offset to enter so these two points are equidistant about the center.


I used the above procedure to test my 500 Hz filter. The offset printed on the
filter is -0.82 kHz. Testing shows the center frequency to be about 43 Hz low
when using the above offset. I put -0.78 KHz in the filter configuration, and
it tests centered now.

The -6 dB bandwidth measured about 480 Hz. I have seen the nominal -6dB
bandwidth of the 500 Hz filter listed as 565 Hz. When I am measuring the
bandwidth, I have the DSP bandwidth set to 2.8 KHz. Since the DSP filter is
fairly wide, I would not expect the cascading to have much affect on the Xtal
filter bandwidth measurement. Is it likely my Xtal filter is as narrow as  
measurement shows or is it more likely something is wrong with my testing?

Here is info about the test setup:
  PITCH = 600
  AGC = off
  Mode = CW
  Only 500 Hz filter enabled
  500 HZ filter Offset set to -0.82 KHz
  DSP BW = 2.80
  RX EQ = reset to 0 for all EQ bands
  Center freq on K3 determined using CWT and Spot
  Sig source = HP sig generator at 50 microvolts


73,
Paul Ferguson
K5ESW
Raleigh, NC

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[Joe Subich, W4TV-3]

>  Is it likely my Xtal filter is as narrow as measurement
> shows or is it more likely something is wrong with my testing?

Your test data is probably correct.  My 500 Hz filter tests
at 470 Hz.  The -6 dB points are 230 Hz below and 240 Hz above
the "spot" (center) frequency.  

I used 800 Hz as the center frequency with DSP set to 2800 Hz for
testing to make sure that there was no offset or DSP low cut to
color the results.  I'll be making the same tests on two more
500 Hz filters with my second K3/KRX3 as soon as I have time to
finish that build.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV
 

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> Subject: [Elecraft] 500 Hz filter measurement?
>
>
> > W4ZV wrote:
> > You only need the two -6 dB points, which can be measured to a
> > resolution of 1 Hz and 0.1 dB using the internal AFV/dBV function.  
> > You should set AGC Off and ensure WIDTH (i.e. the DSP BW)
> is >> than
> > the filter you are measuring...otherwise you're measuring the
> > combination of XFIL plus DSP.  I do this by disabling all filters
> > except the one under test and setting WIDTH
> > >> XFIL BW.  Once you have the two -6 dB points, then you
> can figure
> > >> how
> > much offset to enter so these two points are equidistant about the
> > center.
>
>
> I used the above procedure to test my 500 Hz filter. The
> offset printed on the
> filter is -0.82 kHz. Testing shows the center frequency to be
> about 43 Hz low
> when using the above offset. I put -0.78 KHz in the filter
> configuration, and
> it tests centered now.
>
> The -6 dB bandwidth measured about 480 Hz. I have seen the
> nominal -6dB
> bandwidth of the 500 Hz filter listed as 565 Hz. When I am
> measuring the
> bandwidth, I have the DSP bandwidth set to 2.8 KHz. Since the
> DSP filter is
> fairly wide, I would not expect the cascading to have much
> affect on the Xtal
> filter bandwidth measurement. Is it likely my Xtal filter is
> as narrow as  
> measurement shows or is it more likely something is wrong
> with my testing?
>
> Here is info about the test setup:
>   PITCH = 600
>   AGC = off
>   Mode = CW
>   Only 500 Hz filter enabled
>   500 HZ filter Offset set to -0.82 KHz
>   DSP BW = 2.80
>   RX EQ = reset to 0 for all EQ bands
>   Center freq on K3 determined using CWT and Spot
>   Sig source = HP sig generator at 50 microvolts
>
>
> 73,
> Paul Ferguson
> K5ESW
> Raleigh, NC
>
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