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w7aqk

73 Mag

Brian LLoyd wrote:

Wayne was interesting to work for. He was aptly noted for being a cheapskate
and it turned out that was true. OTOH, one time when I was up there he took
me out to lunch and we had a great argument about the future of amateur
radio. (Several people in the office dropped in a dead faint when they
learned that Wayne actually bought me, an employee, lunch. :-) I was, of
course, suggesting that digital communications was the future of amateur
radio. He wasn't sure. Seems we were both at least part right because here
it is 18 years later and we are only just starting to see changes in the
communications landscape.

Anyway, he sure annoyed the hell out of everyone but you have to admit, he
had an effect on what we do and how we do it.
--------------------------
You say Wayne Green was a cheapskate. I take your word for that. My
impression of him was that he was something of an egomaniac as well--but
very smart! I got a dose of this at an early age. I was stationed in
Berlin ('60 to '62), and one of my duties there was to run the MARS station.
When "The Wall" went up, we were suddenly inundated with lots of visiting
firemen, and Wayne apparently wanted to be one too. I got a message that
Wayne and his wife would be making a quick overnight visit to Berlin two
days hence, and could I make a hotel reservation for them. The message said
he would also like to visit our MARS station. So I made him a reservation
at one of the nicer hotels in Berlin, and passed the word to the other 5 or
6 hams in the 592 Signal Co. that Wayne would be visiting. I also invited
several of the local DL's, and a half dozen or so showed up. Wayne came,
visited with us for only about 20 minutes or so, and then left. I never
heard from him again, but later I did hear that he had expected something
"more formal". I'm not sure what he really expected, particularly on such
short notice, but what can I say. I was a little miffed about that for a
while, but being only 19, perhaps I was a bit naive as well.

But Wayne was a rare fellow to say the least. And he was very
entrepeneurial as well. He was quick off the blocks to get into the
computer magazine business, and you may recall that when CD's (music) first
came out he was "Johnny On The Spot" with a pretty darn good magazine for
that as well. But he loved controversy. Half the stuff he editorialized
about in 73 had nothing to do with ham radio. I don't know if he really
believed all that stuff he was ranting about, but I wouldn't have wanted to
debate him on any of it either. At times I couldn't tell if I was reading
73 Magazine or The New Yorker! It was hard not to admire the guy though.
I'll bet he was interesting to work with.

Dave W7AQK

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Jack Smith-6

Re: 73 Mag

You say Wayne Green was a cheapskate. I take your word for that.

I can provide a bit of personal experience. A few years ago, I wrote 8
or 10 construction articles for 73 Magazine, all of which were duly
published. Payment for the first article was made in about 6 months. The
remaining articles were not paid when 73 Magazine folded (about a year
after my last article was published).

Wayne owes me about $2500.

Writing for an ARRL publication is quite different in this regard--a
check for my two QEX articles arrived *before* the magazines hit my
mailbox. That's extraordinary.

My book publisher runs 3 to 4 months behind in royalty statements as
well, so the ARRL is really outstanding in timely payment.

Jack K8ZOA
www.cliftonlaboratories.com

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Ken Kopp

OT - Another Wayne Green story ..

I was one of the six-member's of the ARRL No Code Study Committee.
We ... and what we might do ... were big news and he was interested.
Probably for the controversy the subject was already generating.

Wayne "crashed" one of our meetings, tape recoder in hand, and defying
us to no allow him to attend. He was wearing a white thigh-length
doctor's
snock with one pocket filled with candy. He unwrapped candy ... with
the
accompanying noise ... throughout the meeting and used the other pocket
to hold the empty wrappers.

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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w6jd

Re: 73 Mag

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Back in 1956 when I was a senior in high school I wrote an article for CQ describing a plate modulator I homebrewed for my Heath AT-1 (ah, the memories). Anyway, Wayne published the article and promised prompt payment (I can't remember the amount but it certainly wasn't a lot).
Days passed, and weeks, and months and ..... despite several letters asking where the hell was the money (by this time I was a starving Stanford undergrad). No money, and to this day I've never bought another issue of CQ.

Doug, W6JD

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Jack Smith <[hidden email]>

> You say Wayne Green was a cheapskate. I take your word for that.
>
> I can provide a bit of personal experience. A few years ago, I wrote 8
> or 10 construction articles for 73 Magazine, all of which were duly
> published. Payment for the first article was made in about 6 months. The
> remaining articles were not paid when 73 Magazine folded (about a year
> after my last article was published).
>
> Wayne owes me about $2500.
>
> Writing for an ARRL publication is quite different in this regard--a
> check for my two QEX articles arrived *before* the magazines hit my
> mailbox. That's extraordinary.
>
> My book publisher runs 3 to 4 months behind in royalty statements as
> well, so the ARRL is really outstanding in timely payment.
>
>
> Jack K8ZOA
> www.cliftonlaboratories.com
>
>
>
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Jack Smith-6

Re: 73 Mag

A common thread running through the life of most authors is their
difficulty getting paid by publishers, being stiffed by unscrupulous
publishers, etc.

The amount is small, typically on the order of $50 or so per published
page in the small magazine world, based on my experience, at least, but
it's still difficult to get paid, or if the publisher is honest, getting
paid on a timely basis. The ARRL is a welcome exception to this.

I'm glad I don't have to earn a living writing for amateur radio journals.

Jack

[hidden email] wrote:

> Back in 1956 when I was a senior in high school I wrote an article for CQ describing a plate modulator I homebrewed for my Heath AT-1 (ah, the memories). Anyway, Wayne published the article and promised prompt payment (I can't remember the amount but it certainly wasn't a lot).
> Days passed, and weeks, and months and ..... despite several letters asking where the hell was the money (by this time I was a starving Stanford undergrad). No money, and to this day I've never bought another issue of CQ.
>
> Doug, W6JD
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Jack Smith <[hidden email]>
>
>
>> You say Wayne Green was a cheapskate. I take your word for that.
>>
>> I can provide a bit of personal experience. A few years ago, I wrote 8
>> or 10 construction articles for 73 Magazine, all of which were duly
>> published. Payment for the first article was made in about 6 months. The
>> remaining articles were not paid when 73 Magazine folded (about a year
>> after my last article was published).
>>
>> Wayne owes me about $2500.
>>
>> Writing for an ARRL publication is quite different in this regard--a
>> check for my two QEX articles arrived *before* the magazines hit my
>> mailbox. That's extraordinary.
>>
>> My book publisher runs 3 to 4 months behind in royalty statements as
>> well, so the ARRL is really outstanding in timely payment.
>>
>>
>> Jack K8ZOA
>> www.cliftonlaboratories.com
>>
>>
>>
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Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604

Re: 73 Mag

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Err, Wayne was not alone in this practice- several publishers of the
time were known for their "pay on threat of lawsuit" practices.

73, doug

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Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 16:49:52 +0000

Back in 1956 when I was a senior in high school I wrote an article for CQ describing a plate modulator I homebrewed for my Heath AT-1 (ah, the memories). Anyway, Wayne published the article and promised prompt payment (I can't remember the amount but it certainly wasn't a lot).
Days passed, and weeks, and months and ..... despite several letters asking where the hell was the money (by this time I was a starving Stanford undergrad). No money, and to this day I've never bought another issue of CQ.

Doug, W6JD

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Jack Smith <[hidden email]>

> You say Wayne Green was a cheapskate. I take your word for that.
>
> I can provide a bit of personal experience. A few years ago, I wrote 8
> or 10 construction articles for 73 Magazine, all of which were duly
> published. Payment for the first article was made in about 6 months. The
> remaining articles were not paid when 73 Magazine folded (about a year
> after my last article was published).
>
> Wayne owes me about $2500.
>
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Doug Person

Re: 73 Mag

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Doug,
Ah, how well I relate. I wrote 4 articles for 73. It took a year to get
payment for the first two and then only because Wayne wanted my next
two. These last two I never got a dime for because 73 folded. I figure
I made about $5 and hour for my articles. Hardly worth it.

There was a time when Wayne seem pretty rational. But, somewhere in the
90's his editorials became an intellectual disgrace. Not to mention his
constant berating of people "who are not rich like me" and his unending
self-aggrandizement.

His agreement with René and the absurd assertion in his book that the
moon-landing was a hoax was, I imagine, the last straw for many.

Still, Wayne did a lot to move VHF FM into the mainstream. This and
many other things were important and significant contributions of his.

73, Doug -- K0DXV

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Dan Barker

RE: 73 Mag

Hey guys, this really isn't the place for this thread, but if you must post,
PLEASE say Wayne Green (or whatever his name is). Someone searching for
Wayne on the archives will get a lot of hits. They need to know the
difference between Wayne Burdick (N6KR) and this other fellow.

Dan / WG4S

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Doug,
Ah, how well I relate. I wrote 4 articles for 73. It took a year to get
payment for the first two and then only because Wayne wanted my next
two. These last two I never got a dime for because 73 folded. I figure
I made about $5 and hour for my articles. Hardly worth it.

There was a time when Wayne seem pretty rational. But, somewhere in the
90's his editorials became an intellectual disgrace. Not to mention his
constant berating of people "who are not rich like me" and his unending
self-aggrandizement.

His agreement with René and the absurd assertion in his book that the
moon-landing was a hoax was, I imagine, the last straw for many.

Still, Wayne did a lot to move VHF FM into the mainstream. This and
many other things were important and significant contributions of his.

73, Doug -- K0DXV

[hidden email] wrote:
> Back in 1956 when I was a senior in high school I wrote an article for CQ
describing a plate modulator I homebrewed for my Heath AT-1 (ah, the
memories). Anyway, Wayne published the article and promised prompt payment
(I can't remember the amount but it certainly wasn't a lot).
> Days passed, and weeks, and months and ..... despite several letters
asking where the hell was the money (by this time I was a starving Stanford
undergrad). No money, and to this day I've never bought another issue of CQ.

>
> Doug, W6JD
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Jack Smith <[hidden email]>
>
>
>> You say Wayne Green was a cheapskate. I take your word for that.
>>
>> I can provide a bit of personal experience. A few years ago, I wrote 8
>> or 10 construction articles for 73 Magazine, all of which were duly
>> published. Payment for the first article was made in about 6 months. The
>> remaining articles were not paid when 73 Magazine folded (about a year
>> after my last article was published).
>>
>> Wayne owes me about $2500.
>>
>> Writing for an ARRL publication is quite different in this regard--a
>> check for my two QEX articles arrived *before* the magazines hit my
>> mailbox. That's extraordinary.
>>
>> My book publisher runs 3 to 4 months behind in royalty statements as
>> well, so the ARRL is really outstanding in timely payment.
>>
>>
>> Jack K8ZOA
>> www.cliftonlaboratories.com
>>
>>
>>
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KK7P

Re: 73 Mag

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> Err, Wayne was not alone in this practice- several publishers of the
> time were known for their "pay on threat of lawsuit" practices.

I was paid for my articles by 73 Magazine (and Ham Radio, and QST, and QEX...)
before they were published. Never had a moment's quibble.

73,

Lyle kK7P
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Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604

Re: 73 Mag

Not necessarily ham radio publishers, and not all publishers.
And generally not every time, either.

73, doug

From: "lyle johnson" <[hidden email]>
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 10:37:17 -0700

> Err, Wayne was not alone in this practice- several publishers of the
> time were known for their "pay on threat of lawsuit" practices.

I was paid for my articles by 73 Magazine (and Ham Radio, and QST, and QEX...)
before they were published. Never had a moment's quibble.

73,

Lyle kK7P

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Jim Brown-10

Re: 73 Mag

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On Tue, 15 May 2007 11:22:46 -0600, Doug Person wrote:

>I made about $5 and hour for my articles. Hardly worth it.

Yes. I've done a lot of technical writing that's been published, and
for which I've been paid, and a lot of technical writing for which I
don't expect to make a penny. Although I'm pretty good at it, I don't
think I've ever made more than about $30/hour for writing, and a third
of that is more typical. Publishers are CHEAP, and are VERY
disrespectful of technical people as writers.

On the other hand, there is a group of writers who work for
manufacturers writing what are essentially PR pieces. They typically
know nothing technical themselves, but call those who do and ask them
questions, write the piece, and sometimes send it to back us to check
it. I found myself rewriting their stuff in self-defense to correct all
the mistakes. These folks get paid VERY well. I used to cooperate with
them until I figured this out. Now, I refuse to talk to them unless
I'm also getting paid VERY well.

There's a broad sample of my writing at
http://audiosystemsgroup.com/publish

Jim Brown K9YC

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Re: 73 Mag

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On May 15, 2007, at 9:49 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

> Back in 1956 when I was a senior in high school I wrote an article
> for CQ describing a plate modulator I homebrewed for my Heath AT-1
> (ah, the memories). Anyway, Wayne published the article and
> promised prompt payment (I can't remember the amount but it
> certainly wasn't a lot).
> Days passed, and weeks, and months and ..... despite several
> letters asking where the hell was the money (by this time I was a
> starving Stanford undergrad). No money, and to this day I've never
> bought another issue of CQ.

FWIW, 73 paid me on-time every time for my Packet Talk column.

73 de Brian, WB6RQN
Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com

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Re: 73 Mag

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We should all be so lucky to live long enough for
Oldtimer's Disease to eventually kick in whilst we
are still active doing something. ;^)

Cut the poor bloke some slack...

73, VR2BrettGraham.

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