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Kevin Luxford

A heartfelt plea (Actually two)

Guys,

1. There is some considerable slippage from the standard of including
the Elecraft product in the subject field. Makes it very hard for those
who have filters set up to move mail into appropriate folders.

2. The other problem has to do with those who use a digest reference
as their subject header.
This is absolutely meaningless for those of us who get the downloads as
they occur. I am not going to waste my time opening your email to see
what it is about if you do not have the good manners to tell us in the
subject heading. The fate of such emails is the delete button.
I am already deleting many emails which have just a one or three word
comment plus all the overhead associated with unnecessarily included
other email texts and the obligatory stuff from The Elecraft Mailing
List. I just do not have unlimited disk storage.

73
Kevin
VK3DAP / ZL2DAP
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Scott Simpson

Re: A heartfelt plea (Actually two)

Kevin, suggestion, try Filtering on the List-ID header. It's one of the
most reliable ways to filter mailing lists.

Scott - kf5way

On Friday, April 17, 2015, Kevin Luxford <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Guys,
>
> 1. There is some considerable slippage from the standard of including
> the Elecraft product in the subject field. Makes it very hard for those
> who have filters set up to move mail into appropriate folders.
>
> 2. The other problem has to do with those who use a digest reference
> as their subject header.
> This is absolutely meaningless for those of us who get the downloads as
> they occur. I am not going to waste my time opening your email to see what
> it is about if you do not have the good manners to tell us in the subject
> heading. The fate of such emails is the delete button.
> I am already deleting many emails which have just a one or three word
> comment plus all the overhead associated with unnecessarily included other
> email texts and the obligatory stuff from The Elecraft Mailing List. I
> just do not have unlimited disk storage.
>
> 73
> Kevin
> VK3DAP / ZL2DAP
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Scott Simpson

Re: A heartfelt plea (Actually two)

In reply to this post by Kevin Luxford

so i did some looking through the headers, you want to look for this:

List-Id: Elecraft Discussion List <elecraft.mailman.qth.net>

it appears in both digest and regular list emails, so if you filter
where List-ID contains elecraft.mailman.qth.net, you should be fine.

scott
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Iain MacDonnell - N6ML-2

Re: A heartfelt plea (Actually two)

Scott,

There is (was?) a convention of including the a product tag in the
subject of product-specific posts - e.g. "[K3] What the heck is a
"sync board"?"" - so that those who do not own / have no interest in
that product can filter those messages into a black-hole. See item 4b
at:

http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_list_guidelines.htm

73,

~iain / N6ML

On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Scott Simpson <[hidden email]> wrote:

> so i did some looking through the headers, you want to look for this:
>
> List-Id: Elecraft Discussion List <elecraft.mailman.qth.net>
>
> it appears in both digest and regular list emails, so if you filter
> where List-ID contains elecraft.mailman.qth.net, you should be fine.
>
>
> scott
> [hidden email]
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 5:44 AM, Kevin Luxford <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> Guys,
>>
>> 1. There is some considerable slippage from the standard of including
>> the Elecraft product in the subject field. Makes it very hard for those
>> who have filters set up to move mail into appropriate folders.
>>
>> 2. The other problem has to do with those who use a digest reference
>> as their subject header.
>> This is absolutely meaningless for those of us who get the downloads as
>> they occur. I am not going to waste my time opening your email to see what
>> it is about if you do not have the good manners to tell us in the subject
>> heading. The fate of such emails is the delete button.
>> I am already deleting many emails which have just a one or three word
>> comment plus all the overhead associated with unnecessarily included other
>> email texts and the obligatory stuff from The Elecraft Mailing List. I
>> just do not have unlimited disk storage.
>>
>> 73
>> Kevin
>> VK3DAP / ZL2DAP
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Scott Simpson

Re: A heartfelt plea (Actually two)

ah, understood. sounds good. i think that is fair.

scott
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On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 10:37 AM, iain macdonnell - N6ML <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Scott,
>
> There is (was?) a convention of including the a product tag in the
> subject of product-specific posts - e.g. "[K3] What the heck is a
> "sync board"?"" - so that those who do not own / have no interest in
> that product can filter those messages into a black-hole. See item 4b
> at:
>
> http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_list_guidelines.htm
>
> 73,
>
> ~iain / N6ML
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Scott Simpson <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > so i did some looking through the headers, you want to look for this:
> >
> > List-Id: Elecraft Discussion List <elecraft.mailman.qth.net>
> >
> > it appears in both digest and regular list emails, so if you filter
> > where List-ID contains elecraft.mailman.qth.net, you should be fine.
> >
> >
> > scott
> > [hidden email]
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 5:44 AM, Kevin Luxford <[hidden email]
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Guys,
> >>
> >> 1. There is some considerable slippage from the standard of including
> >> the Elecraft product in the subject field. Makes it very hard for those
> >> who have filters set up to move mail into appropriate folders.
> >>
> >> 2. The other problem has to do with those who use a digest reference
> >> as their subject header.
> >> This is absolutely meaningless for those of us who get the downloads as
> >> they occur. I am not going to waste my time opening your email to see
> what
> >> it is about if you do not have the good manners to tell us in the
> subject
> >> heading. The fate of such emails is the delete button.
> >> I am already deleting many emails which have just a one or three word
> >> comment plus all the overhead associated with unnecessarily included
> other
> >> email texts and the obligatory stuff from The Elecraft Mailing List. I
> >> just do not have unlimited disk storage.
> >>
> >> 73
> >> Kevin
> >> VK3DAP / ZL2DAP
> >> ______________________________________________________________
> >> Elecraft mailing list
> >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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James Austin

Re: A heartfelt plea (Actually two)

It is definitely fair, especially given the published list guidelines,
however getting the subscribers of a large internet mailing list to follow
guidelines is like herding cats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herding_cats

On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Scott Simpson <[hidden email]> wrote:

> ah, understood. sounds good. i think that is fair.
>
> scott
> [hidden email]
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 10:37 AM, iain macdonnell - N6ML <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Scott,
> >
> > There is (was?) a convention of including the a product tag in the
> > subject of product-specific posts - e.g. "[K3] What the heck is a
> > "sync board"?"" - so that those who do not own / have no interest in
> > that product can filter those messages into a black-hole. See item 4b
> > at:
> >
> > http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_list_guidelines.htm
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > ~iain / N6ML
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Scott Simpson <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> > > so i did some looking through the headers, you want to look for this:
> > >
> > > List-Id: Elecraft Discussion List <elecraft.mailman.qth.net>
> > >
> > > it appears in both digest and regular list emails, so if you filter
> > > where List-ID contains elecraft.mailman.qth.net, you should be fine.
> > >
> > >
> > > scott
> > > [hidden email]
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 5:44 AM, Kevin Luxford <
> [hidden email]
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Guys,
> > >>
> > >> 1. There is some considerable slippage from the standard of
> including
> > >> the Elecraft product in the subject field. Makes it very hard for
> those
> > >> who have filters set up to move mail into appropriate folders.
> > >>
> > >> 2. The other problem has to do with those who use a digest
> reference
> > >> as their subject header.
> > >> This is absolutely meaningless for those of us who get the downloads
> as
> > >> they occur. I am not going to waste my time opening your email to see
> > what
> > >> it is about if you do not have the good manners to tell us in the
> > subject
> > >> heading. The fate of such emails is the delete button.
> > >> I am already deleting many emails which have just a one or three word
> > >> comment plus all the overhead associated with unnecessarily included
> > other
> > >> email texts and the obligatory stuff from The Elecraft Mailing List.
> I
> > >> just do not have unlimited disk storage.
> > >>
> > >> 73
> > >> Kevin
> > >> VK3DAP / ZL2DAP
> > >> ______________________________________________________________
> > >> Elecraft mailing list
> > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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> > > ______________________________________________________________
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KEN-3

Re: A heartfelt plea (Actually two)

Well seeing how I am on over 50 lists, including 2 or 3 Elecraft lists,
there is no way in the world that I am going to know or keep up with all
of these "rules". So, if I remember, this will be my last post to the
list since I cannot possibly comply with the list demands.

73

On 17/04/2015 12:14, James Austin wrote:

> It is definitely fair, especially given the published list guidelines,
> however getting the subscribers of a large internet mailing list to follow
> guidelines is like herding cats.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herding_cats
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Scott Simpson<[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> >ah, understood. sounds good. i think that is fair.
>> >
>> >scott
>> >[hidden email]
>> >
>> >On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 10:37 AM, iain macdonnell - N6ML<[hidden email]>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>>> > >Scott,
>>> > >
>>> > >There is (was?) a convention of including the a product tag in the
>>> > >subject of product-specific posts - e.g. "[K3] What the heck is a
>>> > >"sync board"?"" - so that those who do not own / have no interest in
>>> > >that product can filter those messages into a black-hole. See item 4b
>>> > >at:
>>> > >
>>> > >http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_list_guidelines.htm

Guy Olinger K2AV

Re: A heartfelt plea (Actually two)

Just a quick note that only Eric, the list moderator, has any demands that
one needs to pay attention to.

There are those that continue to self promote themselves to the rank of
moderator. But they don't have the passwords to the moderator's tools.

One of the moderator's rules for the list users is to not to usurp the
moderator. So don't want to read it, just delete it. Very fast, very
efficient. Please enjoy yourself on the reflector.

73, Guy

PS, I finally caved, the very last of my extended family mob to get a
smartphone. The gmail app for the iPhone has a great sequence for mass
deletion: Tap the mark on the first subject to delete, then tap the subject
anywhere to mark the rest. I went through thirty some listed in about 15
seconds. Tapped delete icon, then read those that were left.

Highly efficient, very fast, zero stress, wonderful.

On Friday, April 17, 2015, WA8JXM <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Well seeing how I am on over 50 lists, including 2 or 3 Elecraft lists,
> there is no way in the world that I am going to know or keep up with all of
> these "rules". So, if I remember, this will be my last post to the list
> since I cannot possibly comply with the list demands.
>
> 73
>

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pa0pje

Re: A heartfelt plea (Actually two)

In reply to this post by KEN-3

Wow, just one simple rule to put the type of equipment in the subject
line if you post a question is too much a demand and quit?

It has been asked time and again for a very simple reason but indeed it
seems to be too difficult to comply for some...

72/73,
Peter - PA0PJE

Op 2015-04-17 19:26 schreef WA8JXM:
> Well seeing how I am on over 50 lists, including 2 or 3 Elecraft lists,
> there is no way in the world that I am going to know or keep up with all
> of these "rules". So, if I remember, this will be my last post to the
> list since I cannot possibly comply with the list demands.
>
> 73
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David Orman

Re: A heartfelt plea (Actually two)

For exactly the reason you mentioned, people need to learn to filter based
on message body, not just subject.

"It has been asked time and again for a very simple reason but indeed it
seems to be too difficult to comply for some..."

People are wasting time trying to enforce 'rules' on a mailing list
regarding product information in the subject, unless they are moderators
and willing to start dropping messages that don't fit. I truly don't
understand the effort expended in this thread over something solved by
adding filters into mail clients/mail servers to sort
KX3/K3/PX3/P3/KXPA100/K2/K1/etc into individual folders if it really
matters that much. An earlier example was given on how to filter based on
list, just add a body filter and you can have mail sent to whichever folder
you want based on content. Short of an official rule that is ban-hammer
enforced regarding subject lines, that's the best you are going to do. I
have to be honest, this is starting to sound like the local HOA, and there
is no reason for that.

On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE) <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Wow, just one simple rule to put the type of equipment in the subject line
> if you post a question is too much a demand and quit?
>
> It has been asked time and again for a very simple reason but indeed it
> seems to be too difficult to comply for some...
>
> 72/73,
> Peter - PA0PJE
>
> Op 2015-04-17 19:26 schreef WA8JXM:
>
>> Well seeing how I am on over 50 lists, including 2 or 3 Elecraft lists,
>> there is no way in the world that I am going to know or keep up with all
>> of these "rules". So, if I remember, this will be my last post to the
>> list since I cannot possibly comply with the list demands.
>>
>> 73
>>
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daleputnam

Re: A heartfelt plea (Actually two)

Best example I can find... this thread.... to use the delete key.Much easier than trying to keep up with 50 - 60 reflectors and rules and and and... so.. this magic key.. will once again be applied.

Have a great day,

--... ...--
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