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I'm planning on a major effort in the RDXC this weekend, so I just
downloaded the beta firmware 3.03 and installed it in my K3. After installing, my AGC parameters are as follows: AGC Dcy Soft AGC Hold .30 AGC PLS Norm AGC SLP 000 AGC THR 008 AGC -F 120 AGC -S 020 Since I haven't used this before (and am a confirmed AGC OFF user on CW), what kind of parameters will give me the best performance in a pileup with 10 stations calling? I've gotten used to AGC OFF, but there is a LOT of RF gain tweaking and occasional BLASTING out of the headphones when a strong signal follows a weak one. Using the AF LIM of even 030 creates too much distortion on even fairly weak signals. I should have time in this contest to play with the AGC settings, so I'm open to any suggested settings that anyone has. Dennis W1UE ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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For the most part, and as Wayne has said several times, ANY non-linear gain characteristic is going to create some distortion of a signal, and it will create additional passband mixer products if multiple signals exist. Those distortion and mixer products will blur whatever you're trying to copy. Keep in mind that narrow filters help reduce the candidates for mixing, and that noise spikes count as "signals". AGC is by definition non-linear gain, but so is the AF LIM audio limiter, and in my opinion the trick for working pileups is to use just enough AGC (or use none at all and ride the RF GAIN control) to keep the audio from reaching the AF LIM threshold. K6LL and others have pointed out that the max limit of 30 for that setting should probably be raised, but I've been able to find acceptable AGC settings that seem to keep my head from banging up against that ceiling. A very good reference for me was the set of curves generated by K8ZOA, and by looking at them you can see the extreme non-linearity that exists for aggressive AGC settings ... especially around the threshold breakpoint. Using low values of AGC THR appear to me to be a very bad idea for any kind of weak signal contest work. http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/Documents/Elecraft%20K3%20Transceiver%20AGC%20Parameters%20and%20S-meter.pdf The only thing more non-linear than a non-linear gain characteristic is a time varying non-linear gain characteristic that changes rapidly enough to occur during the signal(s) you're trying to copy. In a contest you generally want to have quick AGC recovery for snappy QSOs, but fast AGC with aggressive threshold and slope settings is probably the worst of all possibilities, especially in the presence of noise spikes. It just whipsaws the gain curve around all over the place. The K3 has a wide enough range of available AGC settings to do the job you need to do ... or ... to make a mess out of your receiver, depending upon the conditions. I really like the addition of the AGC DCY = SOFT feature, but I do not like the default settings for AGC THR and AGC SLP. There certainly is no ideal AGC setting anyway. The best settings for single signal copy in a low noise situation (like prowling for weak DX) are certainly not going to be very good for working DX in a contest, and the ideal settings for working a strong signal pileup on 20m when the band is quiet probably won't work very well for distinguishing between multiple weaker signals in the midst of 80m noise spikes. Personally, I think a neat feature for a piece of software like K3_EZ would be to allow multiple combinations of AGC settings that could be stored and recalled as needed for changing conditions instead of having to change each parameter singly and separately. Just click on a box (say one of five or six?) and send the appropriate full set of AGC settings to the K3 on the fly. All that being said, my AGC settings are almost identical to yours except that I have AGC PLS = OFF. My K3 is only about 6 weeks old, though, and I haven't had a chance to use it in very many contests, so I'm still experimenting a LOT with the settings myself. 73, Dave AB7E W1UE wrote: > I'm planning on a major effort in the RDXC this weekend, so I just > downloaded the beta firmware > 3.03 and installed it in my K3. After installing, my AGC parameters are > as follows: > AGC Dcy Soft > AGC Hold .30 > AGC PLS Norm > AGC SLP 000 > AGC THR 008 > AGC -F 120 > AGC -S 020 > > Since I haven't used this before (and am a confirmed AGC OFF user on > CW), what kind > of parameters will give me the best performance in a pileup with 10 > stations calling? > > I've gotten used to AGC OFF, but there is a LOT of RF gain tweaking and > occasional > BLASTING out of the headphones when a strong signal follows a weak one. > Using the > AF LIM of even 030 creates too much distortion on even fairly weak signals. > > I should have time in this contest to play with the AGC settings, so I'm > open to any suggested > settings that anyone has. > > Dennis W1UE ... [show rest of quote] ______________________________________________________________
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Couldn't you do this already with the K3Utility's save and restore
configuration feature? 73 -- Joe KB8AP On Mar 18, 2009, at 10:04 AM, David Gilbert wrote: > Personally, I > think a neat feature for a piece of software like K3_EZ would be to > allow multiple combinations of AGC settings that could be stored and > recalled as needed for changing conditions instead of having to change > each parameter singly and separately. Just click on a box (say one of > five or six?) and send the appropriate full set of AGC settings to the > K3 on the fly. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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In reply to this post by Dennis Egan
----- Original Message ----- From: "W1UE" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:53 AM Subject: [Elecraft] AGC settings with Firmware 3.03 > I've gotten used to AGC OFF, but there is a LOT of RF gain > tweaking and > occasional > BLASTING out of the headphones when a strong signal > follows a weak one. > Using the > AF LIM of even 030 creates too much distortion on even > fairly weak signals. ---------------------------- Hi Dennis, Regarding AGC OFF - If you plug your headphones into the speaker jack, you can use AGC OFF and turn down the AF gain, and avoid hitting the K3's limiter. I have a little network with a small amount of attenuation to cut down on background hiss. I also have back to back 1N5818 Schottky Diodes across the headphones for hearing protection. The diodes introduce just a little fuzz on the loudest signals - nothing like the gross distortion caused by the K3's AF limiter. Dave Hachadorian, K6LL Yuma, AZ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I suppose, but that seems like an awfully slow route to be trying to use during a contest, especially if you need to try a couple of different ones to see which works best at the time (different bands, band open or closing, running versus S&P for weak multipliers, etc). I could change the settings manually quicker, I think. 73, Dave AB7E Joe Planisky wrote: > Couldn't you do this already with the K3Utility's save and restore > configuration feature? > > 73 > -- > Joe KB8AP > > On Mar 18, 2009, at 10:04 AM, David Gilbert wrote: > >> Personally, I >> think a neat feature for a piece of software like K3_EZ would be to >> allow multiple combinations of AGC settings that could be stored and >> recalled as needed for changing conditions instead of having to change >> each parameter singly and separately. Just click on a box (say one of >> five or six?) and send the appropriate full set of AGC settings to the >> K3 on the fly. >> > > ... [show rest of quote] ______________________________________________________________
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The K3 Utility's save/restore is "all or nothing", and it takes a while to
perform. It's not a "click on a box" experience; it takes minutes and a full MCU reset. Different objectives. Bill has done a fine job with K3-EZ. http://home.roadrunner.com/~n2bc/SW.htm Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Joe Planisky Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:57 AM To: David Gilbert Cc: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] AGC settings with Firmware 3.03 Couldn't you do this already with the K3Utility's save and restore configuration feature? 73 -- Joe KB8AP On Mar 18, 2009, at 10:04 AM, David Gilbert wrote: > Personally, I > think a neat feature for a piece of software like K3_EZ would be to > allow multiple combinations of AGC settings that could be stored and > recalled as needed for changing conditions instead of having to change > each parameter singly and separately. Just click on a box (say one of > five or six?) and send the appropriate full set of AGC settings to the > K3 on the fly. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Dievendorff" <[hidden email]> To: "'Joe Planisky'" <[hidden email]>; "'David Gilbert'" <[hidden email]> Cc: <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] AGC settings with Firmware 3.03 > Bill has done a fine job with K3-EZ. > http://home.roadrunner.com/~n2bc/SW.htm ---------------------------- Looks pretty cool! I wonder if K3-EZ can somehow share the rs-232 link with a logging program? Dave Hachadorian, K6LL Yuma, AZ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I wonder if LP-BRIDGE would work for this?
73, doug From: "Dave Hachadorian" <[hidden email]> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:21:49 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Dievendorff" <[hidden email]> To: "'Joe Planisky'" <[hidden email]>; "'David Gilbert'" <[hidden email]> Cc: <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] AGC settings with Firmware 3.03 > Bill has done a fine job with K3-EZ. > http://home.roadrunner.com/~n2bc/SW.htm ---------------------------- Looks pretty cool! I wonder if K3-EZ can somehow share the rs-232 link with a logging program? Dave Hachadorian, K6LL Yuma, AZ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I don't think K3-EZ works with LP-Bridge.
73 de Terry KK6T Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604 wrote: > I wonder if LP-BRIDGE would work for this? > > 73, doug > > From: "Dave Hachadorian" <[hidden email]> > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:21:49 -0000 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dick Dievendorff" <[hidden email]> > To: "'Joe Planisky'" <[hidden email]>; "'David Gilbert'" > <[hidden email]> > Cc: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:46 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] AGC settings with Firmware 3.03 > > > Bill has done a fine job with K3-EZ. > > http://home.roadrunner.com/~n2bc/SW.htm > ---------------------------- > > Looks pretty cool! I wonder if K3-EZ can somehow share the > rs-232 link with a logging program? > > Dave Hachadorian, K6LL > Yuma, AZ > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > ... [show rest of quote] ______________________________________________________________
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