APP crimp tool
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I bought the cheaper crimping tool together with the 15 and 30 Amp APP
connector set. It does *not* give a satisfactory crimp - the wires can (and do) pul out of the connector.. I now solder the wires into the contacts. The more expensive crimp tool, that presumably does a better job is beyond my price range considering the few times I would use it... YMMV...... -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA "Two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. But I'm not so sure about the universe." ... Albert Einstein. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I bought the cheaper crimping tool together with the 15 and 30 Amp APP connector set. It does *not* give a satisfactory crimp - the wires can (and do) pul out of the connector.. I now solder the wires into the contacts. The more expensive crimp tool, that presumably does a better job is beyond my price range considering the few times I would use it... --------------------------- And THIS is why I'm hating APP connectors! They should be crimped but the crimper is $50 or something like that. The can be soldered but everyone agrees that is not the preferred attachment method. I have 1 rig, I need 1 (yes, one) APP connector. I'm not going to pay $50 for a crimper and soldering, while it is what I've done, leaves that part of me that wants to do it right rather unsatisfied. In the grand scheme, it is a small thing, but it is a thing none the less. I'm just glad my factory built K3 will come with a pre-made cable. I wonder, does the K3 use APP on both the 10 and 100 watt rigs, or only on the 100 (like the K2)? Hmmm. 73! - Keith N1AS - - K2 5411.ssb.100 - - K3 Wave 3, in final assembly, any day now, ... - _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I balked at first at the $50 price tag for the Anderson crimper. But
finally I gave in and bought one. Good move on my part! The Anderson crimping tool is ratcheted, and accomodates all sizes of connectors. It applies just the right amount of pressure, and at the right places, to make a good connection. Being specifically designed for the Anderson Power Poles, it works better--that's all there is to it! I'm probably down to pennies a crimp now (spreading the cost of the tool over the number of applications), so the pain is gone! So, if you are really serious about using the APP's, don't short-change yourself with a bad crimper. Dave W7AQK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave G." <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 11:02 PM Subject: [Elecraft] APP crimp tool >I bought the cheaper crimping tool together with the 15 and 30 Amp APP > connector set. > It does *not* give a satisfactory crimp - the wires can (and do) pul out > of the > connector.. > I now solder the wires into the contacts. > The more expensive crimp tool, that presumably does a better job is > beyond my price range considering the few times I would use it... > > YMMV...... > > -- > Dave G. KK7SS > '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA > "Two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. > But I'm not so sure about the universe." ... Albert Einstein. > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Howdy Dave:
I bought the more expensive Anderson PowerPole (APP) crimper and it works beautifully....makes a great crimp and the wire(s) will not pull out. I changed my entire station over to APP's along with my mobile FM rigs and am glad that I did....I also use RigRunners at my 3 operating positions and that sure makes hosing up the various pieces of gear a simple process. You will not only make superb crimps with the tool but you will be very popular in your ham community as you will be called upon to install APP's on other hams gear after they see your superb power cables with APP's on them (grin). 73, Joe W2KJ >I bought the cheaper crimping tool together with the 15 and 30 Amp APP > connector set. > It does *not* give a satisfactory crimp - the wires can (and do) pul out > of the > connector.. > I now solder the wires into the contacts. > The more expensive crimp tool, that presumably does a better job is > beyond my price range considering the few times I would use it... > > YMMV...... > Dave G. KK7SS _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
RE: Hosing gear (APP crimp tool)
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...RigRunners at my 3 operating positions ... makes hosing up the various pieces of gear a simple process. ------------------------ I know it's just a typo. I know Joe meant "hooking", but I can't resist. It's just so funny as written LOL! - Keith N1AS - - K2 5411.ssb.100 - - K3 TBD - _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: Hosing gear (APP crimp tool)
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Nope...no typo Keith....everybody knows when you connect something up to
something else it is called "hosing up" (grin). It is a technical term I learned in Tech School (grin). 73, Joe W2KJ Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Hosing gear (APP crimp tool) -----Original Message----- ...RigRunners at my 3 operating positions ... makes hosing up the various pieces of gear a simple process. ------------------------ I know it's just a typo. I know Joe meant "hooking", but I can't resist. It's just so funny as written LOL! - Keith N1AS - - K2 5411.ssb.100 - - K3 TBD - _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Someone previously wrote: "Some of Elecraft's customers are faced with
having to spend $50 for a tool to use only one time? Why?", although they have a choice to do it either way. Why do you say that? Elecraft does not require them to use a crimp tool. I purchased the cheapo crimper years ago along with Westmountain Radio's, RigRunner. I then commenced to destroy a number of APP connections... so I purchased the $50 model. If you are going to crimp APP's, this is the best approach. Of course I have rediscovered my affection for flying radio controlled model aircraft and that hobby is very quickly adopting the Anderson Power Pole connectors as a standard. So I get a lot of use out of the expensive APP crimper now and sleep better knowing that one of my expensive models might be more apt to stay the course up there with good connectors, well-connected. I may have overlooked it in this thread, but I don't recall that anyone has mentioned that one could also *borrow* the "best" crimper from a local ham club member. Remember when we used to borrow tools and test equipment? 73, Terry, WØFM _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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"That's why soldering
is typically not used in concealed wiring in buildings, aircraft and other sensitive locations." Interesting point, Ron. Don't think I've ever seen that mentioned before. Logical, when you think about it. Thanks and 73 Bob N6WG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" <[hidden email]> To: "'Darwin, Keith'" <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:24 AM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] APP crimp tool Keith N1AS wrote: They should be crimped but the crimper is $50 or something like that. The can be soldered but everyone agrees that is not the preferred attachment method. ----------------------------------------- Not so, Keith. Wayne and many others (including myself for what it's worth) prefer SOLDERING over crimping. Crimping works fine, if you use the right tool and know how to use it properly, but soldering produces a joint that is just as good - electrically and mechanically - as the best crimp. The one caveat about soldering is that if you have an extreme short circuit that is melting the wires and starting a fire the heat might also melt the solder causing it to run out of the connector causing another poor, high resistance connection that can create even more heat. That's why soldering is typically not used in concealed wiring in buildings, aircraft and other sensitive locations. While crimping is generally used in hidden locations, a less-than-perfect crimp in a conductor carrying significant current is sure to cause a hot spot and possible fire. Concerns with fires and melting solder shouldn't be a concern with the connectors plugged into the back of radios in our ham shacks. Hopefully we have fuses, breakers and other safeguards against fire-causing short circuits. I never saw any hesitation to solder power leads in other exposed places in commercial work either. The reason some such cables are crimped instead of soldered is to cut labor costs. Properly done, crimping produces a good connection and one can crimp several connectors in the same length of time it takes to solder one properly. The small savings in time is hardly a concern for most of us working in our ham shacks. Ron AC7AC _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On 3/31/2008 11:02 PM, Dave G. wrote:
> The more expensive crimp tool, that presumably does a better job is > beyond my price range considering the few times I would use it... I hesitated a while before I bought the "expensive" proper crimp tool, figuring that I would only use it a few times, and suffered with bad crimps. Now that I have used it more times than I had imagined, I sure am happy that I did buy it. For some reason I seem to go through bags-full of those connectors to construct or repair power, adapter, and extension cables for all the gear here and at several installations that I maintain. I have subsequently bought the "expensive" proper crimp tool for UHF ("PL-259") connectors for RG-8X coax, and similarly have used it quite a bit, most recently to make the proper cables to allow switching of two antennas and a dummy load with my K2/100. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Hi all,
When I first started my engineering education in 1962 I was taught to join multi strand cable by splicing and soldering the joint and then insulating with rubber tape and then covering with black sticky tape. This was fine until aluminium cable turned up and joints could only be made in terminal blocks etc. These joints tended to go high resistance due to the oxide, and cause overheating and damage to the cables etc. Crimped connectors etc were the answer to this problem. When lugs were required on copper cables they used to be soldered, these days they are also crimped. Regards Tim gm4lmh _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> The one caveat about soldering is that if you have an extreme short circuit > that is melting the wires and starting a fire the heat might also melt the > solder causing it to run out of the connector causing another poor, high > resistance connection that can create even more heat. Also, when stranded wire is soldered, the solder wicks back into it, which creates a stiff section of wire sticking out the back of the connector. The point at which the stiff part ends and the flexible part begins is vulnerable to being bent sharply and breaking...or just some of the strands break, which can lead to heat, etc. That's why some have suggested soldering, but being careful to keep the solder at the front. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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