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Chad Wasinger

ARR P50VDG Problems

Hi Group,

Just recently hooked a Advanced Receiver Research P50VDG 6 meter preamp to my primary K3/10. Right off the bat I heard a internal relay start chattering with the preamp on and RX ANT setting engage (of course this is all in receive mode). Turned everything off to re-evaluate connections and setup correct. I then put the K3 into attenuation mode to eliminate some of the gain, no luck.

Consulted with some fellow hams and Elecraft, Elecraft thought the 24 dB of gain might be too much and causing an overload on the front end (and the relay chatter). To make a long story short, I tried the suggestions and still having the same issue. So I took the P50VDG to my secondary K3/10, works like a champ and as I would expect. Now I’m wondering what is different about my primary K3.

Short video of the noise which seems to be produced by the relay chatter: https://vimeo.com/63535627

Anyone experience this or have some suggestions? My primary K3/10 is at my remote station using the K3/0, my secondary is at home and backup.

Chad
N0YK

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Pete Lascell

Re: ARR P50VDG Problems

Are you powering the ARR amp from the K3 or external PS?

My ARR pre-amp works fine - it is powered from external power, not from the
K3 accessory power.

Pete, W4WWQ
.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad Wasinger" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 10:11 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] ARR P50VDG Problems

> Hi Group,
>
> Just recently hooked a Advanced Receiver Research P50VDG 6 meter preamp to
> my primary K3/10. Right off the bat I heard a internal relay start
> chattering with the preamp on and RX ANT setting engage (of course this is
> all in receive mode). Turned everything off to re-evaluate connections and
> setup correct. I then put the K3 into attenuation mode to eliminate some
> of the gain, no luck.
>
> Consulted with some fellow hams and Elecraft, Elecraft thought the 24 dB
> of gain might be too much and causing an overload on the front end (and
> the relay chatter). To make a long story short, I tried the suggestions
> and still having the same issue. So I took the P50VDG to my secondary
> K3/10, works like a champ and as I would expect. Now I’m wondering what is
> different about my primary K3.
>
> Short video of the noise which seems to be produced by the relay chatter:
> https://vimeo.com/63535627
>
> Anyone experience this or have some suggestions? My primary K3/10 is at my
> remote station using the K3/0, my secondary is at home and backup.
>
> Chad
> N0YK
>
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Chad Wasinger

Re: ARR P50VDG Problems

Pete - I'm powering the ARR preamp from the same power supply as the K3 but not using the K3 accessory power port.

> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ARR P50VDG Problems
> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 10:10:07 -0400
>
> Are you powering the ARR amp from the K3 or external PS?
>
> My ARR pre-amp works fine - it is powered from external power, not from the
> K3 accessory power.
>
> Pete, W4WWQ
> .
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chad Wasinger" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 10:11 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] ARR P50VDG Problems
>
>
> > Hi Group,
> >
> > Just recently hooked a Advanced Receiver Research P50VDG 6 meter preamp to
> > my primary K3/10. Right off the bat I heard a internal relay start
> > chattering with the preamp on and RX ANT setting engage (of course this is
> > all in receive mode). Turned everything off to re-evaluate connections and
> > setup correct. I then put the K3 into attenuation mode to eliminate some
> > of the gain, no luck.
> >
> > Consulted with some fellow hams and Elecraft, Elecraft thought the 24 dB
> > of gain might be too much and causing an overload on the front end (and
> > the relay chatter). To make a long story short, I tried the suggestions
> > and still having the same issue. So I took the P50VDG to my secondary
> > K3/10, works like a champ and as I would expect. Now I’m wondering what is
> > different about my primary K3.
> >
> > Short video of the noise which seems to be produced by the relay chatter:
> > https://vimeo.com/63535627
> >
> > Anyone experience this or have some suggestions? My primary K3/10 is at my
> > remote station using the K3/0, my secondary is at home and backup.
> >
> > Chad
> > N0YK
> >
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W7GJ, Lance

Re: ARR P50VDG Problems

Hi Chad,

I have always been instructed to power the preamp from a SEPARATE 12 VDC "wall wart"
power supply. There can be transients on the main power supply that can cause voltage
spikes dangerous to the preamp. I would urge you to run the preamp on a separate
little power supply and see if that helps. If it doesn't help, I would make sure to
keep it set up that way anyway, as you find what additional problem you have in the
K3 settings. GL and VY 73, Lance

On 4/9/2013 2:16 PM, Chad Wasinger wrote:

> Pete - I'm powering the ARR preamp from the same power supply as the K3 but not using the K3 accessory power port.
>> From: [hidden email]
>> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ARR P50VDG Problems
>> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 10:10:07 -0400
>>
>> Are you powering the ARR amp from the K3 or external PS?
>>
>> My ARR pre-amp works fine - it is powered from external power, not from the
>> K3 accessory power.
>>
>> Pete, W4WWQ
>> .
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Chad Wasinger" <[hidden email]>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 10:11 PM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] ARR P50VDG Problems
>>
>>
>>> Hi Group,
>>>
>>> Just recently hooked a Advanced Receiver Research P50VDG 6 meter preamp to
>>> my primary K3/10. Right off the bat I heard a internal relay start
>>> chattering with the preamp on and RX ANT setting engage (of course this is
>>> all in receive mode). Turned everything off to re-evaluate connections and
>>> setup correct. I then put the K3 into attenuation mode to eliminate some
>>> of the gain, no luck.
>>>
>>> Consulted with some fellow hams and Elecraft, Elecraft thought the 24 dB
>>> of gain might be too much and causing an overload on the front end (and
>>> the relay chatter). To make a long story short, I tried the suggestions
>>> and still having the same issue. So I took the P50VDG to my secondary
>>> K3/10, works like a champ and as I would expect. Now I’m wondering what is
>>> different about my primary K3.
>>>
>>> Short video of the noise which seems to be produced by the relay chatter:
>>> https://vimeo.com/63535627
>>>
>>> Anyone experience this or have some suggestions? My primary K3/10 is at my
>>> remote station using the K3/0, my secondary is at home and backup.
>>>
>>> Chad
>>> N0YK
>>>
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Chad Wasinger

Re: ARR P50VDG Problems

FYI – this problem turned into being a bad KXV3A board. Works like a charm
now.

-----Original Message-----
From: Lance Collister, W7GJ
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 9:31 AM
To: Chad Wasinger
Cc: Pete Lascell ; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ARR P50VDG Problems

Hi Chad,

I have always been instructed to power the preamp from a SEPARATE 12 VDC
"wall wart"
power supply. There can be transients on the main power supply that can
cause voltage
spikes dangerous to the preamp. I would urge you to run the preamp on a
separate
little power supply and see if that helps. If it doesn't help, I would make
sure to
keep it set up that way anyway, as you find what additional problem you have
in the
K3 settings. GL and VY 73, Lance

On 4/9/2013 2:16 PM, Chad Wasinger wrote:

> Pete - I'm powering the ARR preamp from the same power supply as the K3
> but not using the K3 accessory power port.
>> From: [hidden email]
>> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ARR P50VDG Problems
>> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 10:10:07 -0400
>>
>> Are you powering the ARR amp from the K3 or external PS?
>>
>> My ARR pre-amp works fine - it is powered from external power, not from
>> the
>> K3 accessory power.
>>
>> Pete, W4WWQ
>> .
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Chad Wasinger" <[hidden email]>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 10:11 PM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] ARR P50VDG Problems
>>
>>
>>> Hi Group,
>>>
>>> Just recently hooked a Advanced Receiver Research P50VDG 6 meter preamp
>>> to
>>> my primary K3/10. Right off the bat I heard a internal relay start
>>> chattering with the preamp on and RX ANT setting engage (of course this
>>> is
>>> all in receive mode). Turned everything off to re-evaluate connections
>>> and
>>> setup correct. I then put the K3 into attenuation mode to eliminate some
>>> of the gain, no luck.
>>>
>>> Consulted with some fellow hams and Elecraft, Elecraft thought the 24 dB
>>> of gain might be too much and causing an overload on the front end (and
>>> the relay chatter). To make a long story short, I tried the suggestions
>>> and still having the same issue. So I took the P50VDG to my secondary
>>> K3/10, works like a champ and as I would expect. Now I’m wondering what
>>> is
>>> different about my primary K3.
>>>
>>> Short video of the noise which seems to be produced by the relay
>>> chatter:
>>> https://vimeo.com/63535627
>>>
>>> Anyone experience this or have some suggestions? My primary K3/10 is at
>>> my
>>> remote station using the K3/0, my secondary is at home and backup.
>>>
>>> Chad
>>> N0YK
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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