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Martin-2

Anderson Power Poles?

Elecrafters,
i was looking for Anderson power poles on the Ham Radio Fair in
Friedrichshafen, DL.
I found two dealers, both of them sold the Power Poles WITHOUT the pin
that goes between the two housings. They said the poles were shipped
without them and they´d never seen them and i must be wrong blah blah.

Are they really no longer shipped with the pins or do these german
dealers sell asia-made copies?

I could have asked Wayne at his booth, but he had a lot of traffic.

--

73,
Martin DM4iM
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Brett Howard

Re: Anderson Power Poles?

I just bought a rigrunner from HRO and also bought some extra APP
connectors... The APP's that came with the rig runner did not have roll
pins but the HRO branded extras that I bought did have them. So there
are still places where you can get your hands on them.

~Brett

On Mon, 2010-06-28 at 09:36 +0200, DM4iM wrote:

> Elecrafters,
> i was looking for Anderson power poles on the Ham Radio Fair in
> Friedrichshafen, DL.
> I found two dealers, both of them sold the Power Poles WITHOUT the pin
> that goes between the two housings. They said the poles were shipped
> without them and they´d never seen them and i must be wrong blah blah.
>
> Are they really no longer shipped with the pins or do these german
> dealers sell asia-made copies?
>
> I could have asked Wayne at his booth, but he had a lot of traffic.
>
> --
>
> 73,
> Martin DM4iM
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hb9brj

Re: Anderson Power Poles?

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Martin,

Your eyes are better than mine! I could not find any APP vendor in Friedrichshafen. My original stock mail-ordered in the U.S. is nearly depleted. Please let the many European readers of this list know who is selling APPs in Europe. Thank you!

73, Markus HB9BRJ

Mike Reublin

Re: Anderson Power Poles?

In reply to this post by Martin-2

A fast Google turns them up at
http://www.powerwerx.com/
both connector sets with roll pin and roll pins alone.

Here's a list of European distributors.
http://www.andersonpower.com/contact/contact-europe-ad.html

73, Mike NF4L

DM4iM wrote:

Pete Smith N4ZR

Re: Anderson Power Poles?

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West Mountain Radio, maker of the Rig Runner, recommends against using
the pins in the strongest terms on its web site. The issue (they say)
is that the pins have a nasty habit of coming out and falling into
places they should not go, where they can cause short circuits and
extensive damage. See <http://www.westmountainradio.com/supportrr.htm>.
WMR says Anderson recommends using cyanoacrylate glu.e

73, Pete N4ZR

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On 6/28/2010 5:37 AM, Brett Howard wrote:

> I just bought a rigrunner from HRO and also bought some extra APP
> connectors... The APP's that came with the rig runner did not have roll
> pins but the HRO branded extras that I bought did have them. So there
> are still places where you can get your hands on them.
>
> ~Brett
>
> On Mon, 2010-06-28 at 09:36 +0200, DM4iM wrote:
>
>> Elecrafters,
>> i was looking for Anderson power poles on the Ham Radio Fair in
>> Friedrichshafen, DL.
>> I found two dealers, both of them sold the Power Poles WITHOUT the pin
>> that goes between the two housings. They said the poles were shipped
>> without them and they´d never seen them and i must be wrong blah blah.
>>
>> Are they really no longer shipped with the pins or do these german
>> dealers sell asia-made copies?
>>
>> I could have asked Wayne at his booth, but he had a lot of traffic.
>>
>> --
>>
>> 73,
>> Martin DM4iM
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Alexandr Kobranov

Re: Anderson Power Poles?

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Hi Markus,

very good experience with this APPs suplier on EU market

http://torberry.co.uk/shop/

No problems with order/shipment...

GL
73!
Lexa, ok1dst

Dne 28.6.2010 12:44, hb9brj napsal(a):
>
> Martin,
>
> Your eyes are better than mine! I could not find any APP vendor in
> Friedrichshafen. My original stock mail-ordered in the U.S. is nearly
> depleted. Please let the many European readers of this list know who is
> selling APPs in Europe. Thank you!
>
> 73, Markus HB9BRJ
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Jim AB3CV

Re: Anderson Power Poles?

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I just squirt a bit of hotmelt glue in the hole once I've assembled them.

jim ab3cv
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Robert Mitilieri

Re: Anderson Power Poles?

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Most connectors fit together quite snugly. If the fit is too loose I found that a bit of silicone sealant squeezed into the locking pin hole is sufficient to keep the connectors together.

Robert N9EF
K3 4411

On Jun 28, 2010, at 6:47 AM, Pete Smith wrote:

> West Mountain Radio, maker of the Rig Runner, recommends against using
> the pins in the strongest terms on its web site. The issue (they say)
> is that the pins have a nasty habit of coming out and falling into
> places they should not go, where they can cause short circuits and
> extensive damage. See <http://www.westmountainradio.com/supportrr.htm>.
> WMR says Anderson recommends using cyanoacrylate glu.e
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
>
> The World Contest Station Database, updated daily at www.conteststations.com
> The Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at
> reversebeacon.blogspot.com,
> spots at telnet.reversebeacon.net, port 7000
>
>
> On 6/28/2010 5:37 AM, Brett Howard wrote:
>> I just bought a rigrunner from HRO and also bought some extra APP
>> connectors... The APP's that came with the rig runner did not have roll
>> pins but the HRO branded extras that I bought did have them. So there
>> are still places where you can get your hands on them.
>>
>> ~Brett
>>
>> On Mon, 2010-06-28 at 09:36 +0200, DM4iM wrote:
>>
>>> Elecrafters,
>>> i was looking for Anderson power poles on the Ham Radio Fair in
>>> Friedrichshafen, DL.
>>> I found two dealers, both of them sold the Power Poles WITHOUT the pin
>>> that goes between the two housings. They said the poles were shipped
>>> without them and they´d never seen them and i must be wrong blah blah.
>>>
>>> Are they really no longer shipped with the pins or do these german
>>> dealers sell asia-made copies?
>>>
>>> I could have asked Wayne at his booth, but he had a lot of traffic.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Martin DM4iM
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>>
>>

George

Re: Anderson Power Poles?

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I use a piece of Q-tip shaft. Very tight fit. If it did come out it won't
short anything. Geo/W2BPI
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Buck - k4ia

Re: Anderson Power Poles?

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After watching the PP connectors on my K3 wiggle around at Field Day, I
have to question again why Elecraft chose these toads-in-a-tuxedo for a
connector. PP are way over-rated. The only strain relief they provide is when
they come apart - which is often. I suppose we could call that defect an
undocumented "feature." A simple molex would have been fine and a whole
lot more secure.

But not to start a flame war over PPs, I'll stay positive. Anyone have
any ideas on how to better secure the PP in the K3? Mine wiggles and I am
thinking about some hot glue.

Buck
k4ia K3 #101

In a message dated 6/28/2010 8:08:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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I just squirt a bit of hotmelt glue in the hole once I've assembled them.

jim ab3cv
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Edward R Cole

Re: Anderson Power Poles?

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I had the experience that my West Mountain assembled PP cable pulled
loose from the crimped connection when I tripped over it (yeah
extreme situation). I could not figure out how to extract the pin to
repair it. I bought three pre-made cables when I got a specially
made power cable for my FT-817 that uses a very tiny power connector
that "really" is not tolerant of stressing. One was for connection
in the shack and the other in my pickup. The third was used with the
K3 until the trip mishap. Its now in the repair bin. I made up a PP
cable to replace the broken one using the 15A pins which should be
adequate for the K3/10.

The PP that I made up myself I soldered vs.crimping with no
failures. I noted the lack of pins and someone told me they slide
together and I have found the friction adequate. I'll try the Q-tip
"pin", if needed. But there is no stress relief and the connection
takes all the mechanical stress on the wires, directly.

Jury is out on PP connectors in my mind, but the ham community
(ARRL/ARES) seems to really be pushing them for a nation-wide Emcomm standard.

Most of my station's control/dc wiring is interconnected using crimp
connectors and barrier terminal strips. My new SO2R control panel
uses sub-D9 and sub-D25 connectors, with a few RCA-phono connectors
for often disconnected lines. (I will post a webpage with diagrams
and photos, soon)

73, Ed - KL7UW

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After watching the PP connectors on my K3 wiggle around at Field Day, I
have to question again why Elecraft chose these toads-in-a-tuxedo for a
connector. PP are way over-rated. The only strain relief
they provide is when
they come apart - which is often. I suppose we could call that defect an
undocumented "feature." A simple molex would have been fine and a whole
lot more secure.

But not to start a flame war over PPs, I'll stay positive. Anyone have
any ideas on how to better secure the PP in the K3? Mine wiggles and I am
thinking about some hot glue.

Buck
k4ia K3 #101

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Grant Youngman

Re: Anderson Power Poles?

On Jun 28, 2010, at 2:57 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:

> I had the experience that my West Mountain assembled PP cable pulled
> loose from the crimped connection when I tripped over it (yeah
> extreme situation).

Why were you surprised? Knock your fridge over and see what gives way first, and hope it isn't the screwed-in water line to the ice maker :-)

> I could not figure out how to extract the pin to
> repair it.

Cut it off at the connector and install a new connector. It is possible to get the pins out, but not worth the effort.

>
> The PP that I made up myself I soldered vs.crimping with no
> failures. I noted the lack of pins and someone told me they slide
> together

This is part of the user instructions for Power Poles - they slide together There's a reason there are instructions :-)

> I'll try the Q-tip
> "pin", if needed.

There is no "pin" for a 2-pole connector that I'm aware of. If you stick a Q-tip or a metal pin in the hole between two connectors and the connectors come apart, the stick or pin just falls out since it can't possibly hold them together. Use super glue. Or wrap them with a tie wrap.

> But there is no stress relief and the connection
> takes all the mechanical stress on the wires,

That's why there is a CRIMP tool, although solder will hold well enough i suppose, maybe, but I wouldn't trust it . I crimp them, and THEN flow solder into them. You (anyone) could sit there and wiggle them enough to break the wires. I don't wiggle or dodge and burn my DC connectors all that often. But you can do that to connector with a strain relief just as well. Just don't trip over them -- anything can be ripped out and broken. I have this vision of hams sitting in a long winded QSO or calling CW DX over and over and over ... running out of productive things to do, fiddling with their PP's to see if they can make them break. Of course you can break them.

I have many 12VDC circuits on power poles. I have never had a failure, never had wires break, and never plugged 3000VDC into the back of my K3 (but I don't have 3Kv on power poles either). Ok -- so the power lead to my K3 is #8 copper and short (by design) and pulls out when I slide the radio too far forward on the desk. But I don't do that to get the radio closer and "hear better" or whatever :-)

Grant/NQ5T

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Phil Kane-2

Re: Anderson Power Poles?

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On 6/28/2010 4:47 AM, Pete Smith wrote:

> West Mountain Radio, maker of the Rig Runner, recommends against
> using the pins in the strongest terms on its web site. The issue
> (they say) is that the pins have a nasty habit of coming out and
> falling into places they should not go, where they can cause short
> circuits and extensive damage. See
> <http://www.westmountainradio.com/supportrr.htm>. WMR says Anderson
> recommends using cyanoacrylate glu.e

Also known as "super-glue". I've done that with several sets and the
only downside is it doesn't come apart even when you want it to so you
have to get it right the first time.

I found a better solution is to use a 2-56 screw and nut combo (I forget
the metric equivalent) that works very well. If one is concerned about
the "fall out" use the nylon version.

If I want to keep a pair of connectors together, I put the smallest size
"tie-wrap" through both sets of holes and pull tight. Keeps the shells
of each pair in alignment and keeps the mated pairs together.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402

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Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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Deni F5VJC

Re: Anderson Power Poles?

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This is Ham radio today?

LEARN, how to terminate cables...Coax, DC or whatever, and just do it.

Do it right.

There are many step by step tutorials and pics, even videos on how to do
it right.

Lots of problems will just go away!

Hard to believe any guys using Elecraft equipment have problems with
such basic connectors.

Do a Google search and you'll find all the info to do it right.

Maybe we should we start another thread about Knobs now?

73, Deni
F5VJC

> That's why there is a CRIMP tool, although solder will hold well enough i suppose, maybe, but I wouldn't trust it . I crimp them, and THEN flow solder into them. You (anyone) could sit there and wiggle them enough to break the wires. I don't wiggle or dodge and burn my DC connectors all that often. But you can do that to connector with a strain relief just as well. Just don't trip over them -- anything can be ripped out and broken. I have this vision of hams sitting in a long winded QSO or calling CW DX over and over and over ... running out of productive things to do, fiddling with their PP's to see if they can make them break. Of course you can break them.
>
> I have many 12VDC circuits on power poles. I have never had a failure, never had wires break, and never plugged 3000VDC into the back of my K3 (but I don't have 3Kv on power poles either). Ok -- so the power lead to my K3 is #8 copper and short (by design) and pulls out when I slide the radio too far forward on the desk. But I don't do that to get the radio closer and "hear better" or whatever :-)
>
> Grant/NQ5T
>
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WA2SI

Re: Anderson Power Poles?

Ouch! World Cup blues perhaps? Sri Deni, just kidding. I agree with your
sentiments, however, your delivery leaves much to be desired. In my
experience, good delivery will get you there 99% of the time. As always,
take care es...

Vy 73 de Bert
WA2SI

> Hard to believe any guys using Elecraft equipment have problems with
> such basic connectors.
>
> Do a Google search and you'll find all the info to do it right.
>
> Maybe we should we start another thread about Knobs now?
>
> 73, Deni
> F5VJC

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Martin-2

Re: Anderson Power Poles?

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Gentlemen,
thanks for all info. Great list.

--

73,
Martin DM4iM
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The Smiths

Re: Anderson Power Poles?

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CAN WE PLEASE JUST GET BACK TO TALKING ABOUT STATIC MATS AND CLOCK ACCURACIES HERE..ENOUGH ABOUT ANDERSON POWER POLES... THANK YOU..

> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 19:12:23 -0400
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> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Anderson Power Poles?
>
> Ouch! World Cup blues perhaps? Sri Deni, just kidding. I agree with your
> sentiments, however, your delivery leaves much to be desired. In my
> experience, good delivery will get you there 99% of the time. As always,
> take care es...
>
> Vy 73 de Bert
> WA2SI
>
> > Hard to believe any guys using Elecraft equipment have problems with
> > such basic connectors.
> >
> > Do a Google search and you'll find all the info to do it right.
> >
> > Maybe we should we start another thread about Knobs now?
> >
> > 73, Deni
> > F5VJC
>
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drewko

Re: Anderson Power Poles?

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Do you have a pre-made cable? Mine snaps securely onto the K3
connector, fits snugly and has never fallen out.

At the time I bought my K3 there was a big discussion here about how
to assemble these plugs, so I decided to just skip all the fun and
order a pre-made cable. Anyhow, if there's one thing I hate when
buying some new piece of gear it is having to solder plugs. It is
strictly plug-n-play for me; not play with the plugs.

One thing I like about the APP's is they seem very durable. I
frequently plug and unplug the power cable (and all the other cables
on my K3) during t/storm season. They fit as well as the first time
they were used. Convenient also-- don't even have to look at the back
panel; just reach back and yank the cord out or snap it in.

73,
Drew
AF2Z

On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 09:03:31 -0400 (EDT), jim ab3cv wrote:

>After watching the PP connectors on my K3 wiggle around at Field Day, I
>have to question again why Elecraft chose these toads-in-a-tuxedo for a
>connector. PP are way over-rated. The only strain relief they provide is when
>they come apart - which is often. I suppose we could call that defect an
>undocumented "feature." A simple molex would have been fine and a whole
>lot more secure.
>
>But not to start a flame war over PPs, I'll stay positive. Anyone have
>any ideas on how to better secure the PP in the K3? Mine wiggles and I am
>thinking about some hot glue.
>
>Buck
>k4ia K3 #101
>
>