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Mark-2

Re: "Q" signal trivia

Hi Kevin:

Depends on your style guide... :-)

Apparently, both usages are common. Wikipedia says that years are a
special case. :-) I don't think '60's is universally considered
incorrect - though the Chicago Manual of Style would.

73,

Mark

On 7/18/2011 12:32 PM, Kevin Rock wrote:

> However, we refer to the '60s without a second apostrophe.
> Kevin. KD5ONS
>
>
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 09:29:26 -0700, Mark<[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Kevin:
>>
>> Because an " 's " is the standard way to create a plural of a digit or
>> digits in English? (at least historically) :-) It doesn't indicate a
>> possessive in this usage.
>>
>> See, for example,
>> http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/apostrophe.htm:
>>
>> "An apostrophe is also used to form some *plurals*, especially the
>> plural of letters and digits. Raoul got four _A's_ last term and his
>> sister got four 6's in the ice-skating competition. "
>>
>> Of course, the Chicago Manual of Style disagrees... :-)
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Mark, KD4D
>>
>> On 7/18/2011 12:19 PM, Kevin Rock wrote:
>>> I have always wondered why it is written in the possessive form. Why
>>> not
>>> write it 73s instead if you want to make it a plural and not possessive?
>>> Kevin. KD5ONS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:57:43 -0700, Gary D Krause<[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think the reason 73's came about is that many of us, myself included,
>>>> repeat
>>>> it twice at the end of a CW QSO.
>>>>
>>>> Gary, N7HTS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 19:46:41 -0600
>>>> "Ken - K0PP"<[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>> "Q" signals were established to facilitate communication
>>>>> between stations that don't share a common language.
>>>>>
>>>>> In usual usage a "Q" signal without punctuation is considered
>>>>> a statement. If it's followed by a "?", it's meant as a question.
>>>>>
>>>>> Needless to say, a purist would never use a "Q" signal in voice
>>>>> communications, but we all do. "The home QTH here is ... (;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh ... 73 is correct. 73's isn't. 73's is equivalent to "Good
>>>>> lucks".
>>>>>
>>>>> 73!
>>>>> Ken - K0PP
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Re: "Q" signal trivia [OT!!!]

My editor would have blue penciled that is a NY second :) But this is so
far off topic as to be squashed rapidly.
Kevin. KD5ONS

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 09:34:42 -0700, Mark <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Kevin:
>
> Depends on your style guide... :-)
>
> Apparently, both usages are common. Wikipedia says that years are a
> special case. :-) I don't think '60's is universally considered
> incorrect - though the Chicago Manual of Style would.
>
> 73,
>
> Mark

Phil Hystad-3

Re: "Q" signal trivia

In reply to this post by kevinr@coho.net

I remember the '60s as a time of "anything goes" so it is fair to use your apostrophes in any way your creative mind can dream up.

On Jul 18, 2011, at 9:32 AM, Kevin Rock wrote:

> However, we refer to the '60s without a second apostrophe.
> Kevin. KD5ONS
>
>
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 09:29:26 -0700, Mark <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Kevin:
>>
>> Because an " 's " is the standard way to create a plural of a digit or
>> digits in English? (at least historically) :-) It doesn't indicate a
>> possessive in this usage.
>>
>> See, for example,
>> http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/apostrophe.htm:
>>
>> "An apostrophe is also used to form some *plurals*, especially the
>> plural of letters and digits. Raoul got four _A's_ last term and his
>> sister got four 6's in the ice-skating competition. "
>>
>> Of course, the Chicago Manual of Style disagrees... :-)
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Mark, KD4D
>>
>> On 7/18/2011 12:19 PM, Kevin Rock wrote:
>>> I have always wondered why it is written in the possessive form. Why
>>> not
>>> write it 73s instead if you want to make it a plural and not possessive?
>>> Kevin. KD5ONS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:57:43 -0700, Gary D Krause<[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think the reason 73's came about is that many of us, myself included,
>>>> repeat
>>>> it twice at the end of a CW QSO.
>>>>
>>>> Gary, N7HTS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 19:46:41 -0600
>>>> "Ken - K0PP"<[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>> "Q" signals were established to facilitate communication
>>>>> between stations that don't share a common language.
>>>>>
>>>>> In usual usage a "Q" signal without punctuation is considered
>>>>> a statement. If it's followed by a "?", it's meant as a question.
>>>>>
>>>>> Needless to say, a purist would never use a "Q" signal in voice
>>>>> communications, but we all do. "The home QTH here is ... (;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh ... 73 is correct. 73's isn't. 73's is equivalent to "Good
>>>>> lucks".
>>>>>
>>>>> 73!
>>>>> Ken - K0PP
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N5GE

Re: "Q" signal trivia

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I'm of the opinion that it started in the early CB days when all the CBer's were
putting "Seventy Thirds" on each other when signing off or going to their next
harassment frequency. ;o)

73's or 73s, whichever it is, is still incorrect. Would you say "best
regardses" to someone?

73 is the number used in Amateur Radio messages to represent the phrase, "best
regards", in order to shorten message lengths. If you said 73s to a message
handler he might ask you how many 73s you wanted him to put in a row in the
message.

73,
Tom
Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
ARRL Lifetime Member
QCWA Lifetime Member

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 09:57:43 -0600, "Gary D Krause" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>I think the reason 73's came about is that many of us, myself included, repeat
>it twice at the end of a CW QSO.
>
>Gary, N7HTS
>
>
>On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 19:46:41 -0600
> "Ken - K0PP" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> "Q" signals were established to facilitate communication
>> between stations that don't share a common language.
>>
>> In usual usage a "Q" signal without punctuation is considered
>> a statement. If it's followed by a "?", it's meant as a question.
>>
>> Needless to say, a purist would never use a "Q" signal in voice
>> communications, but we all do. "The home QTH here is ... (;-)
>>
>> Oh ... 73 is correct. 73's isn't. 73's is equivalent to "Good lucks".
>>
>> 73!
>> Ken - K0PP
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Wayne Conrad

Re: "Q" signal trivia

"73's" appears to go back farther than that:

http://www.mikezulu.com/73s.htm

See esp. the QSL cards at the bottom, signed by the old man himself.

73s, Wayne Conrad KF7QGA

On 07/18/11 13:01, [hidden email] wrote:

>
> I'm of the opinion that it started in the early CB days when all the CBer's were
> putting "Seventy Thirds" on each other when signing off or going to their next
> harassment frequency. ;o)
>
> 73's or 73s, whichever it is, is still incorrect. Would you say "best
> regardses" to someone?
>
> 73 is the number used in Amateur Radio messages to represent the phrase, "best
> regards", in order to shorten message lengths. If you said 73s to a message
> handler he might ask you how many 73s you wanted him to put in a row in the
> message.

Re: "Q" signal trivia

It seems that 73's predates any of us by quite a bit, but complaining about it just dates back to the start of Internet reflectors.

Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart

--- On Mon, 7/18/11, Wayne Conrad <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Wayne Conrad <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] "Q" signal trivia
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, July 18, 2011, 1:19 PM

"73's" appears to go back farther than that:

http://www.mikezulu.com/73s.htm

See esp. the QSL cards at the bottom, signed by the old man himself.

73s, Wayne Conrad KF7QGA

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Bruce Beford-2

Re: "Q" signal trivia

In reply to this post by Ken G Kopp

OK, Before Wayne slams the door on this one...

The Old Man was a newbie once, too. (and he may very well not have printed
or designed the cards he used). They may well have been a generic design.

Another historical perspective that goes back 60 years before those old QSL
cards can be found here:

http://www.ac6v.com/73.htm#73

"History" tends to change with time. Those who chronicle it often put their
own perspective on things. This is natural, as we see through the lens of
our own experiences.

The fact is, we all tend to go with what we were taught. The same goes for
those who came before us. The same will go for those who learn from us.

73,
Bruce N1RX

> "73's" appears to go back farther than that:
> http://www.mikezulu.com/73s.htm
> See esp. the QSL cards at the bottom, signed by the old man himself.
> 73s, Wayne Conrad KF7QGA

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Re: "Q" signal trivia

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Phil Kane-2

Re: "Q" signal trivia

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On 7/18/2011 9:29 AM, Mark wrote:

> "An apostrophe is also used to form some *plurals*, especially
> the plural of letters and digits. Raoul got four _A's_ last term
> and his sister got four 6's in the ice-skating competition. "

> Of course, the Chicago Manual of Style disagrees... :-)

As does every treatise on writing that I have been exposed to,
and that was many.

-- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402

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Phil Kane-2

Re: "Q" signal trivia

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On 7/18/2011 1:19 PM, Wayne Conrad wrote:

> "73's" appears to go back farther than that:
>
> http://www.mikezulu.com/73s.htm

I wonder whether the "Walter Howell" in the first card was the
same Walter Howell who was the Assistant Engineer in Charge at
the FCC New York Office in the early 1950s who signed my FCC
Second Class Radiotelephone License in 1952. The age seems to
be right.

-- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402

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Vic Rosenthal

Re: "Q" signal trivia

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You /remember/ them?

On 7/18/2011 12:21 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
> I remember the '60s as a time of "anything goes" so it is fair to use your apostrophes
> in any way your creative mind can dream up.
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