My brother-in-law just gave me a large box containing literally hundreds of what he says
are recharageable batteries. That is all he knows about them. They are in sets of three in series, AAA size, with solderable tabs. I suspect they are nicads, but don't know. NOTHING is written on them. They are green, for all that means. Can anyone guess what they might be or suggest a way to find out? Could I put them in series/parallel to make a battery pack for my K2? Does anyone want some? Or should I be looking for a way to dispose of them (I'm sure they count as hazardous waste)? -- Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Vic K2VCO <[hidden email]> wrote: > My brother-in-law just gave me a large box containing literally > hundreds of what he says are recharageable batteries. That is all he > knows about them. They are in sets of three in series, AAA size, with > solderable tabs. I suspect they are nicads, but don't know. NOTHING > is written on them. They are green, for all that means. > > Can anyone guess what they might be or suggest a way to find out? > Could I put them in series/parallel to make a battery pack for my K2? > Does anyone want some? > > Or should I be looking for a way to dispose of them (I'm sure they > count as hazardous waste)? AAA Ni-Cad cells have a nominal voltage of 1.25V same as Lithium. Alkaline have a 1.5 volt nominal voltage. I'd say if the three cell packs have a of 4.0 or better they are Alkaline. -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
If they have solderable tabs they are most likely indeed rechargeable. I can't think of very many applications for single-use alkalines with solderable tabs. To check them out, the best bet would be to try to charge them with a small DC supply and a current limiting resistor to hold the current to maybe 50 ma, and then see how they hold up under a similar load like a flashlight bulb. Nicads can degrade even with lack of use so don't be surprised if the results are disappointing unless the batteries are relatively new. Dave AB7E On 4/5/2011 12:58 PM, R. Kevin Stover wrote: > On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 12:36:13 -0700 > Vic K2VCO<[hidden email]> wrote: > >> My brother-in-law just gave me a large box containing literally >> hundreds of what he says are recharageable batteries. That is all he >> knows about them. They are in sets of three in series, AAA size, with >> solderable tabs. I suspect they are nicads, but don't know. NOTHING >> is written on them. They are green, for all that means. >> >> Can anyone guess what they might be or suggest a way to find out? >> Could I put them in series/parallel to make a battery pack for my K2? >> Does anyone want some? >> >> Or should I be looking for a way to dispose of them (I'm sure they >> count as hazardous waste)? > AAA Ni-Cad cells have a nominal voltage of 1.25V same as Lithium. > Alkaline have a 1.5 volt nominal voltage. > > I'd say if the three cell packs have a of 4.0 or better they are > Alkaline. > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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On the bare aluminum is printed ECH B17. Not that helpful. Could 'ECH' be the name of a
manufacurer? On 4/5/2011 12:49 PM, dave wrote: > Vic, > > Sounds like they are in shrink wrap? Slice one open and see what is written on the battery > as opposed to the pack? > > > 73 de dave > ab9ca/4 > > > > > > > On 4/5/11 2:36 PM, Vic K2VCO wrote: >> My brother-in-law just gave me a large box containing literally hundreds of what he says >> are recharageable batteries. That is all he knows about them. They are in sets of three in >> series, AAA size, with solderable tabs. I suspect they are nicads, but don't know. NOTHING >> is written on them. They are green, for all that means. >> >> Can anyone guess what they might be or suggest a way to find out? Could I put them in >> series/parallel to make a battery pack for my K2? Does anyone want some? >> >> Or should I be looking for a way to dispose of them (I'm sure they count as hazardous >> waste)? -- Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Representative samples measure 0.75v per cell. Either they are very, very old alkalines or
they are partly discharged rechargeable cells of some type. On 4/5/2011 12:58 PM, R. Kevin Stover wrote: > On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 12:36:13 -0700 > Vic K2VCO<[hidden email]> wrote: > >> My brother-in-law just gave me a large box containing literally >> hundreds of what he says are recharageable batteries. That is all he >> knows about them. They are in sets of three in series, AAA size, with >> solderable tabs. I suspect they are nicads, but don't know. NOTHING >> is written on them. They are green, for all that means. >> >> Can anyone guess what they might be or suggest a way to find out? >> Could I put them in series/parallel to make a battery pack for my K2? >> Does anyone want some? >> >> Or should I be looking for a way to dispose of them (I'm sure they >> count as hazardous waste)? > > AAA Ni-Cad cells have a nominal voltage of 1.25V same as Lithium. > Alkaline have a 1.5 volt nominal voltage. > > I'd say if the three cell packs have a of 4.0 or better they are > Alkaline. > -- Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
On 4/5/2011 3:36 PM, Vic K2VCO wrote:
> Representative samples measure 0.75v per cell. Either they are > very, very old alkalines or they are partly discharged > rechargeable cells of some type. I would be very wary of hooking up an unknown battery (or any other component) in any electronic equipment be it a flashlight or a $3000 transceiver, just as I would be very wary of swallowing a spoonful of "who knows what". Personal preference -- -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Recently I have been experiencing a problem with the AGC on my K3
(2090). When I return to receive from transmit, the AGC is turned off and the speaker system is overloaded. This happens on about every 10 to 15 transmissions. It has happened with the K3 sitting on the desk in receive.. This is very annoying and very hard on the ears..!! I'm running firmware versions: MCU: 04.25 DSP1&2: 2.71 de W4CCS ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Does that happen with the "bare" K3, or is there a computer control
application involved to further "muddy the waters". If it happens with nothing connected to the K3 except a mic, key, power and antenna, then I would suggest that you contact [hidden email]. If there are other devices involved, then eliminate them one by one to see if the problem is resolved with the deletion of that device. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/5/2011 8:08 PM, W4CCS wrote: > Recently I have been experiencing a problem with the AGC on my K3 > (2090). When I return to receive from transmit, the AGC is turned off > and the speaker system is overloaded. This happens on about every 10 to > 15 transmissions. It has happened with the K3 sitting on the desk in > receive.. This is very annoying and very hard on the ears..!! > > I'm running firmware versions: > > MCU: 04.25 > > DSP1&2: 2.71 > > de W4CCS > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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This has happened to me several times too, but only on 60m. I am
suspicious that Ham Radio Deluxe may be involved in this somewhere. The trouble is because it's such a random event it's difficult to be sure. However, it's never happened just sitting on rx, only after a period of ssb transmission. I hardly ever use ssb so it's going to take me a while to track this one down! Running 4.29 firmware, but it's happened over several versions. 73, Stephen G4SJP On 06/04/2011 01:08, "W4CCS" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >Recently I have been experiencing a problem with the AGC on my K3 >(2090). When I return to receive from transmit, the AGC is turned off >and the speaker system is overloaded. This happens on about every 10 to >15 transmissions. It has happened with the K3 sitting on the desk in >receive.. This is very annoying and very hard on the ears..!! > >I'm running firmware versions: > >MCU: 04.25 > >DSP1&2: 2.71 > >de W4CCS >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:[hidden email] > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
There is only one manual way to turn off the AGC and that is to do a
"hold" on the AGC button. Youi can dismiss an intermittent connection in the 5 button, because that should randomly switch fast to slow and back, besides turning AGC off. One would also think that an intermittent 5 button would mess up other stuff as well. You can test this yourself by setting AGC to S or F, then tapping XMIT, then doing a "hold" on AGC OFF. You will find that this will terminate the XMIT state during the hold and will NOT change the AGC to off state. IMHO, that makes the computer and/or programs, which can do it with a command, the prime suspect. ============== Universal suspect list for all K3 troubles -- trouble shoot in this order for quickest, cheapest path back to full operation and sanity, and public appearance of experthood: 1) RTFM (Adobe Reader search of PDF very useful) 2) Nothing in second place (maybe not in third place either) 3) Computer AND Operator (bad manual/program/OS AND confused operator) 4) Operator 5) Computer 6) RF in shack 7) K3 Regards and good luck... 73, Guy. On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 6:20 AM, Stephen Prior <[hidden email]> wrote: > This has happened to me several times too, but only on 60m. I am > suspicious that Ham Radio Deluxe may be involved in this somewhere. The > trouble is because it's such a random event it's difficult to be sure. > However, it's never happened just sitting on rx, only after a period of > ssb transmission. I hardly ever use ssb so it's going to take me a while > to track this one down! Running 4.29 firmware, but it's happened over > several versions. > > 73, Stephen G4SJP > > On 06/04/2011 01:08, "W4CCS" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> >>Recently I have been experiencing a problem with the AGC on my K3 >>(2090). When I return to receive from transmit, the AGC is turned off >>and the speaker system is overloaded. This happens on about every 10 to >>15 transmissions. It has happened with the K3 sitting on the desk in >>receive.. This is very annoying and very hard on the ears..!! >> >>I'm running firmware versions: >> >>MCU: 04.25 >> >>DSP1&2: 2.71 >> >>de W4CCS >>______________________________________________________________ >>Elecraft mailing list >>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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At 01:08 06/04/2011, W4CCS wrote:
>Recently I have been experiencing a problem with the AGC on my K3 >(2090). When I return to receive from transmit, the AGC is turned off >and the speaker system is overloaded. This happens on about every 10 to >15 transmissions. It has happened with the K3 sitting on the desk in >receive.. This is very annoying and very hard on the ears..!! I've had the same thing happen a few times with my K3 on SSB. First time it happened it made me jump as the audio volume was so loud. It's not consistent, but seems to happen more frequently with longer TX periods. I do use HRD most of the time with my K3+P3. It might only happen once a week with me. Since it seems to be sporadic, I wonder whether there is some kind of timing window for a firmware defect. Say, a combination of commands from HRD plus PTT on/off plus firmware timing. Fortunately, I tend to operate more CW than Phone, so at this stage it's just an occasional irritation. But it would be nice to get this fixed. David M0DHO ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Going back through some notes here seems to indicate that once I downed HRD while meeting the one and only SSB group I enjoy cured the problem. Why it is so sensitive to only the AGC on/off I have not a clue. But I had it no more after that.
73s Jim On Apr 6, 2011, at 1:00 PM, David Honey wrote: > At 01:08 06/04/2011, W4CCS wrote: >> Recently I have been experiencing a problem with the AGC on my K3 >> (2090). When I return to receive from transmit, the AGC is turned off >> and the speaker system is overloaded. This happens on about every 10 to >> 15 transmissions. It has happened with the K3 sitting on the desk in >> receive.. This is very annoying and very hard on the ears..!! > > I've had the same thing happen a few times with my K3 on SSB. First > time it happened it made me jump as the audio volume was so loud. > It's not consistent, but seems to happen more frequently with longer > TX periods. I do use HRD most of the time with my K3+P3. > > It might only happen once a week with me. Since it seems to be > sporadic, I wonder whether there is some kind of timing window for a > firmware defect. Say, a combination of commands from HRD plus PTT > on/off plus firmware timing. > > Fortunately, I tend to operate more CW than Phone, so at this stage > it's just an occasional irritation. But it would be nice to get this fixed. > > David M0DHO > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html JIM ROGERS, W4ATK [hidden email] http://web.me.com/jimrogers_w4atk K3/100 P3 K2/10 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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>Going back through some notes here seems to indicate that once >I downed HRD while meeting the one and only SSB group I enjoy cured >the problem. Why it is so sensitive to only the AGC on/off I have not >a clue. But I had it no more after that. I have had this problem since I got my P3. I'm mostly running RTTY and other digimodes and in contests it happens 1 or 2 times per hour, mostly while in TX. When I switch off the P3, the problem disapper. Today I loaded firmware 1.08 in P3 and then the problem occurs several times per hour, just receiving. I'm using HRD. K3 firmware is 4.25 -- OV1A Jens Sent from my desktop PC with a nice big screen and a real keyboard. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Since I stopped using HRD and turned Mac only, I have never once had the AGC
turning off problem repeat itself (I am using a P3 too). Therefore I am 100% sure that it is (what others have called 'aggressive') polling from HRD. It might be worth installing LP Bridge, because even though you may have no need to share a serial connection, it features buffering of the HRD data. That way you could keep using HRD. 73 Stephen G4SJP On 19 June 2011 09:48, Jens Petersen <[hidden email]> wrote: > On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 13:38:08 -0500, you wrote: > > >Going back through some notes here seems to indicate that once > >I downed HRD while meeting the one and only SSB group I enjoy cured > >the problem. Why it is so sensitive to only the AGC on/off I have not > >a clue. But I had it no more after that. > > I have had this problem since I got my P3. > > I'm mostly running RTTY and other digimodes and in contests it happens > 1 or 2 times per hour, mostly while in TX. > > When I switch off the P3, the problem disapper. > > Today I loaded firmware 1.08 in P3 and then the problem occurs several > times per hour, just receiving. > > I'm using HRD. > K3 firmware is 4.25 > -- > OV1A Jens > > Sent from my desktop PC with a nice big screen and a real keyboard. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
I've been having the same problem since getting the P3 and I also use
HRD. I'll try LP-Bridge, but there really ought to be a better solution. 73, Dick WO1I At 07:38 AM 6/19/2011, Stephen Prior wrote: >Since I stopped using HRD and turned Mac only, I have never once had the AGC >turning off problem repeat itself (I am using a P3 too). > >Therefore I am 100% sure that it is (what others have called 'aggressive') >polling from HRD. > >It might be worth installing LP Bridge, because even though you may have no >need to share a serial connection, it features buffering of the HRD data. >That way you could keep using HRD. > >73 Stephen G4SJP > > >On 19 June 2011 09:48, Jens Petersen <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 13:38:08 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >Going back through some notes here seems to indicate that once > > >I downed HRD while meeting the one and only SSB group I enjoy cured > > >the problem. Why it is so sensitive to only the AGC on/off I have not > > >a clue. But I had it no more after that. > > > > I have had this problem since I got my P3. > > > > I'm mostly running RTTY and other digimodes and in contests it happens > > 1 or 2 times per hour, mostly while in TX. > > > > When I switch off the P3, the problem disapper. > > > > Today I loaded firmware 1.08 in P3 and then the problem occurs several > > times per hour, just receiving. > > > > I'm using HRD. > > K3 firmware is 4.25 > > -- > > OV1A Jens > > > > Sent from my desktop PC with a nice big screen and a real keyboard. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:[hidden email] > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Just to note firmly that this is not a problem with the K3. Radio
firmware cannot be expected to provide workarounds for any and all programming mistakes in third party software. I have noted over the years that some firms, usually small software suppliers, can be very stubborn in not dealing with issues, for any number of reasons, varying all the way from just plain meanness to declining health to family situations, and sometimes will spend great energy in refusing to do anything about problems having to do with another company that has become a peeve with them, for whatever reason. Since there are NO standards for programming of this sort it will remain a jungle, and very much subject to personalities. We have to make sure that we do not misplace the source of the trouble, and dump our complaints on the innocent party just because they may be more available or visible. HRD has a problem on this one. It will not do to say that K3 should be "immune". The conversation should move to HRD's venue. I for one do NOT want to see peripheral software bugs being worked around in K3 firmware. Uses up space in firmware, run time, programmer time that I would rather see spent on things that MUST be done in K3 firmware, if at all. Wayne is a finite resource. Spend it very well. 73, Guy. On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Dick Lindzen <[hidden email]> wrote: > I've been having the same problem since getting the P3 and I also use > HRD. I'll try LP-Bridge, but there really ought to be a better solution. > > 73, Dick WO1I > > At 07:38 AM 6/19/2011, Stephen Prior wrote: >>Since I stopped using HRD and turned Mac only, I have never once had the AGC >>turning off problem repeat itself (I am using a P3 too). >> >>Therefore I am 100% sure that it is (what others have called 'aggressive') >>polling from HRD. >> >>It might be worth installing LP Bridge, because even though you may have no >>need to share a serial connection, it features buffering of the HRD data. >>That way you could keep using HRD. >> >>73 Stephen G4SJP >> >> >>On 19 June 2011 09:48, Jens Petersen <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> > On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 13:38:08 -0500, you wrote: >> > >> > >Going back through some notes here seems to indicate that once >> > >I downed HRD while meeting the one and only SSB group I enjoy cured >> > >the problem. Why it is so sensitive to only the AGC on/off I have not >> > >a clue. But I had it no more after that. >> > >> > I have had this problem since I got my P3. >> > >> > I'm mostly running RTTY and other digimodes and in contests it happens >> > 1 or 2 times per hour, mostly while in TX. >> > >> > When I switch off the P3, the problem disapper. >> > >> > Today I loaded firmware 1.08 in P3 and then the problem occurs several >> > times per hour, just receiving. >> > >> > I'm using HRD. >> > K3 firmware is 4.25 >> > -- >> > OV1A Jens >> > >> > Sent from my desktop PC with a nice big screen and a real keyboard. >> > ______________________________________________________________ >> > Elecraft mailing list >> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> > >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > >>______________________________________________________________ >>Elecraft mailing list >>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:14:37 -0400, you wrote:
>Just to note firmly that this is not a problem with the K3. Radio >firmware cannot be expected to provide workarounds for any and all >programming mistakes in third party software. Agree - but since it got much worse after installing ver. 1.08 it looks to me as there might be a timing issue in P3 firmware. >We have to make sure that we do not misplace the source of the >trouble, and dump our complaints on the innocent party just because >they may be more available or visible. > >HRD has a problem on this one. It will not do to say that K3 should >be "immune". The conversation should move to HRD's venue. I'm sure Simon Brown (mr HRD) will do what he can to address this issue, but he dont have a P3 in his shack. -- OV1A Jens Sent from my desktop PC with a nice big screen and a real keyboard. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
> Agree - but since it got much worse after installing ver. 1.08 it > looks to me as there might be a timing issue in P3 firmware. It is still a timing issue in HRD ... HRD gets "p***ed off" when it does not get an instant reply to its polls. Watch the data with a port snooping tool and you will see a regular set of polls with the same data requested, three or even four times in succession with the "retry" the very instant the K3 responds to the first (or second, etc.) poll for the same data. HRD insists on changing the command protocol (K30 -> K31 and back) on a regular basis and polls for a large amount of "excess" data (firmware versions, option levels, etc. that does not change during operation) every couple of seconds. Frankly it is a miracle that the P3/K3 combination can cope with so much programmatic abuse. > I'm sure Simon Brown (mr HRD) will do what he can to address this > issue, but he dont have a P3 in his shack. AFAIK, he doesn't have a K3 any more either. In any case, it does not take a P3 to fix the basic polling issues responsible for this problem. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 6/19/2011 12:28 PM, Jens Petersen wrote: > On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:14:37 -0400, you wrote: > >> Just to note firmly that this is not a problem with the K3. Radio >> firmware cannot be expected to provide workarounds for any and all >> programming mistakes in third party software. > > Agree - but since it got much worse after installing ver. 1.08 it > looks to me as there might be a timing issue in P3 firmware. > >> We have to make sure that we do not misplace the source of the >> trouble, and dump our complaints on the innocent party just because >> they may be more available or visible. >> >> HRD has a problem on this one. It will not do to say that K3 should >> be "immune". The conversation should move to HRD's venue. > > I'm sure Simon Brown (mr HRD) will do what he can to address this > issue, but he dont have a P3 in his shack. > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
I don't run windows or HRD in the shack anymore, but I just checked my notes, and you can change the polling rate and timeout in HRD. Bring up HRD, go in to Options. Once there, click on the "Comms" tab. Once there, look around...there is "Polling Timeout" and "Refresh Interval" which may be adjusted to make HRD a little more neighborly. I think it defaulted to something like 500 milliseconds maybe, and I think I set mine to 1000 milliseconds (1 second) and it helped. The polling timeout might help the P3 users as well.
HTH. 73 & Aloha, Dave, AH6TD On Jun 19, 2011, at 7:46 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > >> Agree - but since it got much worse after installing ver. 1.08 it >> looks to me as there might be a timing issue in P3 firmware. > > It is still a timing issue in HRD ... HRD gets "p***ed off" when it > does not get an instant reply to its polls. Watch the data with a > port snooping tool and you will see a regular set of polls with the > same data requested, three or even four times in succession with the > "retry" the very instant the K3 responds to the first (or second, etc.) > poll for the same data. HRD insists on changing the command protocol > (K30 -> K31 and back) on a regular basis and polls for a large amount > of "excess" data (firmware versions, option levels, etc. that does > not change during operation) every couple of seconds. > > Frankly it is a miracle that the P3/K3 combination can cope with > so much programmatic abuse. > >> I'm sure Simon Brown (mr HRD) will do what he can to address this >> issue, but he dont have a P3 in his shack. > > AFAIK, he doesn't have a K3 any more either. In any case, it does > not take a P3 to fix the basic polling issues responsible for this > problem. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 6/19/2011 12:28 PM, Jens Petersen wrote: >> On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:14:37 -0400, you wrote: >> >>> Just to note firmly that this is not a problem with the K3. Radio >>> firmware cannot be expected to provide workarounds for any and all >>> programming mistakes in third party software. >> >> Agree - but since it got much worse after installing ver. 1.08 it >> looks to me as there might be a timing issue in P3 firmware. >> >>> We have to make sure that we do not misplace the source of the >>> trouble, and dump our complaints on the innocent party just because >>> they may be more available or visible. >>> >>> HRD has a problem on this one. It will not do to say that K3 should >>> be "immune". The conversation should move to HRD's venue. >> >> I'm sure Simon Brown (mr HRD) will do what he can to address this >> issue, but he dont have a P3 in his shack. >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:32:45 -1000, you wrote:
>I don't run windows or HRD in the shack anymore, but I just checked my notes, and you can change the polling rate and timeout in HRD. Bring up HRD, go in to Options. Once there, click on the "Comms" tab. Once there, look around...there is "Polling Timeout" and "Refresh Interval" which may be adjusted to make HRD a little more neighborly. I think it defaulted to something like 500 milliseconds maybe, and I think I set mine to 1000 milliseconds (1 second) and it helped. The polling timeout might help the P3 users as well. Default "Read Timeout" is 500ms and can't be set larger. "Refresh Interval" is default 100ms and setting it larger help, but it still goes "AGC off" now and then, just RX-ing. Waiting for response from Simon Brown. -- OV1A Jens Sent from my desktop PC with a nice big screen and a real keyboard. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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