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m0bmn

CQ FISTS ,SKCC ETC

Hi All

Sorry to add to the noise level, I took over from Geo , the founder of FISTS just before he past away and produce the newsletter and fulfil other roles in FISTS too. Yes we do have many members that will call CQ FISTS, we have a number of challenges (rather than number exchanging contests that normally fill the bands), we encourage all our members to make the exchange of numbers (if they are working another member that wants theirs) almost incidental to the QSO, and ask them NOT to exclude anyone , member or not that returns to their call. we are all about getting people to use CW and we certainly do not want to push people away. I use a straight key myself but have no problem if my QSO partner wants to use paddles,keyboard, or what ever as long as it CW its good for me!, If you hear me call CQ FISTS please come back to me member or not, paddles or straight key, its the QSO that counts not the equipment or numbers.
best 73's
Paul M0BMN

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Thom LaCosta

Re: CQ FISTS ,SKCC ETC

On Fri, 5 Oct 2007, Paul Webb wrote:

> Hi All
>
> Sorry to add to the noise level, I took over from Geo , the founder of FISTS just before he past away and produce the newsletter and fulfil other roles in FISTS too. Yes we do have many members that will call CQ FISTS, we have a number of challenges (rather than number exchanging contests that normally fill the bands), we encourage all our members to make the exchange of numbers (if they are working another member that wants theirs) almost incidental to the QSO, and ask them NOT to exclude anyone , member or not that returns to their call. we are all about getting people to use CW and we certainly do not want to push people away. I use a straight key myself but have no problem if my QSO partner wants to use paddles,keyboard, or what ever as long as it CW its good for me!,

>If you hear me call CQ FISTS please come back to me member or not, paddles or
>straight key, its the QSO that counts not the equipment or numbers.

I think that part of the confusion is that many people, when hearing CD DX or
CQ DE or CQ TEST or CQ WHATEVER have the impression that the station calling
only wants to have a QSO of the type specified. CQ DX is probably the best
example....I would never answer a CQ DX call from a US station.

While the personal statements of many FISTS members has indicated they are more
than willing to QSO with non-FISTS members, unless one has read their
statements, one is back to square one...is CQ FISTS like CQ DX (I only want to
QSO with a specific type of station) or some other meaning.

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Dan Romanchik KB6NU

Re: CQ FISTS ,SKCC ETC

The answer to that is NO.

While there may be some FISTS members that want to only exchange
numbers, the vast majority of them are ready and willing to ragchew.
In fact, I'd bet most of them would rather make a contact, then to
continually be calling CQ FISTS.

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On Oct 5, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Thom LaCosta wrote:

> I think that part of the confusion is that many people, when
> hearing CD DX or
> CQ DE or CQ TEST or CQ WHATEVER have the impression that the
> station calling
> only wants to have a QSO of the type specified. CQ DX is probably
> the best example....I would never answer a CQ DX call from a US
> station.
>
> While the personal statements of many FISTS members has indicated
> they are more than willing to QSO with non-FISTS members, unless
> one has read their statements, one is back to square one...is CQ
> FISTS like CQ DX (I only want to QSO with a specific type of
> station) or some other meaning.

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Darwin, Keith

RE: CQ FISTS ,SKCC ETC

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> I think that part of the confusion is that many people, when
> hearing CD DX or
> CQ DE or CQ TEST or CQ WHATEVER have the impression that the
> station calling
> only wants to have a QSO of the type specified. CQ DX is probably
> the best example....I would never answer a CQ DX call from a US
> station.
-------------------------------------

There's no question that FISTS and SKCC folks will willingly work
non-members, but that's not really the point. Why would someone who is
happy to work "anyone" call CQ FISTS or CQ SKCC? Why not just call CQ?
It makes no sense for them to use a qualified CQ when they are looking
for just anybody. So if they are using a directed CQ, then it is only
rational to take it face value and assume they mean what they're saying.
No they do not want to work "anybody" but only those who qualify. Most
though are polite enough to overlook the minor rudeness of the
non-qualifier who answers, and will work them anyway.

If an OP sends KN to turn it over to the other op, do you break into the
QSO?

If a DX station says "listening up 3" do you call right on their freq?

If an OP sends you RRR (received) do you repeat all your info next time?

Do you answer CQ DX if you're not DX?

If someone sends CQ at 10 wpm but has an Extra call, do you assume they
really want to go 20 and answer them at that speed?

Face value, guys, face value. Ya gotta take this stuff for what it
means and not second guess the thoughts behind them. Treating some
qualified CQ's as limited (CQ DX) while others qualified CQ's like
they're not qualified is irrational and adds significant confusion.
Take it at face value and don't answer if you're not what the other
person is calling for.

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In fact, I'd bet most of them would rather make a contact, then to
continually be calling CQ FISTS.
-------------------------

If they want to work "anyone", they'll call CQ. Until then, they are
saying they are NOT looking for just anyone. If that is not their
intention, then THEY need to change their call.

IMNSHO (in my not so humble opinion)

Apologies for any offense my direct communication style may have caused.
73 all (yes, I do mean it)

- Keith N1AS -
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Dan Romanchik KB6NU

Re: CQ FISTS ,SKCC ETC

Oh, come on. You're really making a mountain out of a molehill here.
If you don't feel comfortable replying to a CQ FISTS call, Keith,
then don't do it. The rest of you please feel free to do so, even if
you're not part of that august group.

73!

Dan KB6NU

On Oct 5, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Darwin, Keith wrote:

> -------------------------------------
>> I think that part of the confusion is that many people, when
>> hearing CD DX or
>> CQ DE or CQ TEST or CQ WHATEVER have the impression that the
>> station calling
>> only wants to have a QSO of the type specified. CQ DX is probably
>> the best example....I would never answer a CQ DX call from a US
>> station.
> -------------------------------------
>
> There's no question that FISTS and SKCC folks will willingly work
> non-members, but that's not really the point. Why would someone
> who is
> happy to work "anyone" call CQ FISTS or CQ SKCC? Why not just call
> CQ?
> It makes no sense for them to use a qualified CQ when they are looking
> for just anybody. So if they are using a directed CQ, then it is only
> rational to take it face value and assume they mean what they're
> saying.
> No they do not want to work "anybody" but only those who qualify.
> Most
> though are polite enough to overlook the minor rudeness of the
> non-qualifier who answers, and will work them anyway.
>
> If an OP sends KN to turn it over to the other op, do you break
> into the
> QSO?
>
> If a DX station says "listening up 3" do you call right on their freq?
>
> If an OP sends you RRR (received) do you repeat all your info next
> time?
>
> Do you answer CQ DX if you're not DX?
>
> If someone sends CQ at 10 wpm but has an Extra call, do you assume
> they
> really want to go 20 and answer them at that speed?
>
> Face value, guys, face value. Ya gotta take this stuff for what it
> means and not second guess the thoughts behind them. Treating some
> qualified CQ's as limited (CQ DX) while others qualified CQ's like
> they're not qualified is irrational and adds significant confusion.
> Take it at face value and don't answer if you're not what the other
> person is calling for.
>
>
>
> ------------------------
> In fact, I'd bet most of them would rather make a contact, then to
> continually be calling CQ FISTS.
> -------------------------
>
> If they want to work "anyone", they'll call CQ. Until then, they are
> saying they are NOT looking for just anyone. If that is not their
> intention, then THEY need to change their call.
>
> IMNSHO (in my not so humble opinion)
>
> Apologies for any offense my direct communication style may have
> caused.
> 73 all (yes, I do mean it)
>
> - Keith N1AS -
> - K2 5411.ssb.100 -
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Thom LaCosta

RE: [OT] CQ FISTS ,SKCC ETC

In reply to this post by Darwin, Keith

On Fri, 5 Oct 2007, Darwin, Keith wrote:

Thanks for the examples....I received a few emails correcting my
mis-comprehension of CQ FISTS means, well means to some FIST members who don't
think it's a directed call, and to others who believe it is.

To add some topicality, when I use my Elecraft rigs, I will refrain from
answering a CQ FISTS call, since I don't want to be confused about which
directed CQs are not what they appear to be, and I can't remember the calls of
all the people who said that their directed CQs are not what they appear to be.

But, I guess if I called CQ ELECRAFT and someone answered and asked me about ten
tec gear, I'd be at a loss.

73 k3hrn
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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: [OT] CQ FISTS ,SKCC ETC [END of Thread]

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Let's end this thread for now. It was a good discussion, but is now
degenerating as many do over time. ;-)

73, Eric WA6HHQ
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Joe-aa4nn

Re: CQ FISTS ,SKCC ETC

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Can't we just drop this Fist business, geesh, folks,
enough is enough. de Joe, aa4nn

> Oh, come on. You're really making a mountain out of a molehill here.
> If you don't feel comfortable replying to a CQ FISTS call, Keith,
> then don't do it. The rest of you please feel free to do so, even if
> you're not part of that august group.
>
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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

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We just did :-)

73, Eric
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Joe-aa4nn wrote:
> Can't we just drop this Fist business, geesh, folks,
> enough is enough. de Joe, aa4nn
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