CW mode question
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I just acquired a K-3 and have spent an hour getting somewhat familiar. I tuned 20 M and heard a nice DX station at about S-6 using the USB filter setting. I realized I can only transmit CW with the mode set to CW. When I made the change however, I could not hear either the DX guy (gal?) nor the other in the QSO - I heard both with the SSB setting.
Gotta be a way to bypass what seemed like attenuation, right? Bill K9HXO ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Maybe the cause is the following:
listening on 14050 to a cw signal with pitch 1kHz in USB, then the cw-signal is on 14051. Switching the K3 to CW with untouched dial, then you listen on 14050. Is that the reason? Arie PA3A Op 6-4-2012 17:25, Bill Miller schreef: > I just acquired a K-3 and have spent an hour getting somewhat familiar. I tuned 20 M and heard a nice DX station at about S-6 using the USB filter setting. I realized I can only transmit CW with the mode set to CW. When I made the change however, I could not hear either the DX guy (gal?) nor the other in the QSO - I heard both with the SSB setting. > > Gotta be a way to bypass what seemed like attenuation, right? > > Bill K9HXO > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Bill,
Based on my experience with the K3, an hour is nowhere the time needed to get familiar with the rig. I've had mine for almost a year and am learning new things all the time. That said, I have and am using it daily in DX chasing and consider it the finest rig I have ever owned. Get the manual and Fred Cady's expanded veresion then start reading and setting up and making QSO's. Read the archives on this reflector and gradually you will begin to appreciate what the K3 can do for you. This comes from a ham who was first licensed in 1948 and has operated and owned almost all the rigs since that time. Again, accept that you will have a slow, but exciting learning curve which will reward you with performance you can use to do almost anything you want. 73 Don K5AQ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Don I have only had a K3 for about 6weeks but I agree with you if you buy
Fred Cady book you cannot go wrong my opining best Rig at this time 73 Tony G0GMS -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of donhall161 Sent: 06 April 2012 16:43 To: Bill Miller; [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW mode question Bill, Based on my experience with the K3, an hour is nowhere the time needed to get familiar with the rig. I've had mine for almost a year and am learning new things all the time. That said, I have and am using it daily in DX chasing and consider it the finest rig I have ever owned. Get the manual and Fred Cady's expanded veresion then start reading and setting up and making QSO's. Read the archives on this reflector and gradually you will begin to appreciate what the K3 can do for you. This comes from a ham who was first licensed in 1948 and has operated and owned almost all the rigs since that time. Again, accept that you will have a slow, but exciting learning curve which will reward you with performance you can use to do almost anything you want. 73 Don K5AQ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Hi, Bill,
Maybe this old posting will help you out: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-CW-Offset-has-two-modes-td7260257.html Regards, Al W6LX _____________________________________________ When I made the change however, I could not hear either the DX guy (gal?) nor the other in the QSO - I heard both with the SSB setting. Bill K9HXO ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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> I've had mine for almost a year and am learning new things all the time. Over the years I've owned nearly a dozen ham rigs. I ALWAYS begin by studying the manual. As a result, I have nearly always found them easy to use and understand. The exceptions have been a fewf products that provided lots of functions that few hams need, not enough buttons to access them, and a menu structure that not even the programmers' mother could love. The Yaesu FT100D and FT8800, and a couple of ICOM talkies fall into this category. The K3 is VERY easy to use if you simply STUDY the manual so that you understand the radio. All the functions you are likely to need on a day to day basis are provided by front panel knobs and buttons that are clearly labeled. While the menu system is extensive, it simply allows SETUP and TWEAKING of the radio for the way you want to use it, and for the accessories that you want to use with it. Once you've done that, it's rarely necessary to use them unless you want to change those accessories or the way the radio works. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Bill,
There are ways to send CW in SSB mode. But aside from that... In SSB mode the standard filter width is around 2.7/2.8 kHz so the signal you heard was somewhere in that range. When you switched to CW mode, the normal bandwidth changed to 400Hz and you station was somewhere outside that range. I suggest that if you are going to listen to CW, you set the DSP bandwidth to something in the order of 1000Hz, and to allow a lot of signals into the bandwidth. Once you determine which signal you want to zone in on, tune until his pitch is near your preset sidetone (nor around 700Hz as I remember). Now you can turn the DSP bandwidth down to narrow in on the desired signal, and you can copy easily. To really get close, press the [CWT] button and that does two things. First, it activates the CW tuning aid on the upper meter scale. Just tune till the vertical bar "|" is directly under the "cwt" indicator, now your sidetone should be correct and you have tuned to the other guy's frequency. Second, it allows you to tap the [SPOT] button and if you're close to the other frequency, it will automatically tune the radio to his frequency. I've had my K3 since August of 2010, and I'm still learning. Have fun, and "See you on the radio". ...bill nr4c -----Original Message----- From: Bill Miller [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 11:26 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] CW mode question I just acquired a K-3 and have spent an hour getting somewhat familiar. I tuned 20 M and heard a nice DX station at about S-6 using the USB filter setting. I realized I can only transmit CW with the mode set to CW. When I made the change however, I could not hear either the DX guy (gal?) nor the other in the QSO - I heard both with the SSB setting. Gotta be a way to bypass what seemed like attenuation, right? Bill K9HXO ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Pg 55 of the manual
CW WGHT 1.15 Adjusts element/space timing ratio (weight) for the internal keyer. Additional functions of this menu entry, via numeric keypad (Advanced): Tap 1 to select SSB -CW (default) or SSB +CW (allows CW in SSB modes). Tap 2 to select @ = STOP (‘@’ character terminates KY-packet transmission; default) or @ = ‘AC’ (‘@’ in a KY packet is sent as .--.-. [@] in CW mode). Tap 3 to select OLD or NEW QSK (default). NEW reduces AF keying artifacts. Tap 4 to select VOX NOR (default) or AUTO OFF. The AUTO OFF setting turns CW VOX off on power-up, avoiding accidental keying by attached PCs, etc. Tap 5 to select automatic VFO offset on SSB/CW mode change (VFO OFS) or no offset (VFO NOR, default). Automatic offset is often used on 6 meters, where mixed-mode QSOs are necessary during fading. Note: Pitch matching will be more accurate if USB is paired with CW REV, and LSB with CW normal. Tap 1 if you want to send cw while in ssb mode. Mike W0MU W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net On 4/6/2012 11:13 AM, Bill Conkling wrote: > Bill, > > There are ways to send CW in SSB mode. But aside from that... > > In SSB mode the standard filter width is around 2.7/2.8 kHz so the signal > you heard was somewhere in that range. When you switched to CW mode, the > normal bandwidth changed to 400Hz and you station was somewhere outside that > range. > > I suggest that if you are going to listen to CW, you set the DSP bandwidth > to something in the order of 1000Hz, and to allow a lot of signals into the > bandwidth. Once you determine which signal you want to zone in on, tune > until his pitch is near your preset sidetone (nor around 700Hz as I > remember). Now you can turn the DSP bandwidth down to narrow in on the > desired signal, and you can copy easily. To really get close, press the > [CWT] button and that does two things. First, it activates the CW tuning > aid on the upper meter scale. Just tune till the vertical bar "|" is > directly under the "cwt" indicator, now your sidetone should be correct and > you have tuned to the other guy's frequency. Second, it allows you to tap > the [SPOT] button and if you're close to the other frequency, it will > automatically tune the radio to his frequency. > > I've had my K3 since August of 2010, and I'm still learning. > > Have fun, and "See you on the radio". > > ...bill nr4c > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Miller [mailto:[hidden email]] > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 11:26 AM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: [Elecraft] CW mode question > > I just acquired a K-3 and have spent an hour getting somewhat familiar. I > tuned 20 M and heard a nice DX station at about S-6 using the USB filter > setting. I realized I can only transmit CW with the mode set to CW. When I > made the change however, I could not hear either the DX guy (gal?) nor the > other in the QSO - I heard both with the SSB setting. > > Gotta be a way to bypass what seemed like attenuation, right? > > Bill K9HXO > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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