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Sorry About the caps, seems like i'm always saying i'm sorry about the use of capital letters. I have a vision problem, so i'm going to increase the size; hope this will show up! i like the color blue, but don't know if this will go to the reflector the way i see it. Wish i cold see better, its just a habit for me. Thanks for letting me know it may bother some people, i don't really understand why it should, but may someone explain to me about the caps? thank you all, god bless you all and god bless ham radio.
vincent wb2pdw 73 love the kx3 !! wha hoo! ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Hi Vincent,
There are two reasons that all caps bother people. The first is internet convention where words in all CAPS are considered to be LOUD or SHOUTING. That means all caps emails are seen as yelling at the reader by most. The second is much more important, and that is that all caps is much more difficult to read. It removes many visual clues that people use to read quickly. Here is a link that explains the issue of shape contrast: http://uxmovement.com/content/all-caps-hard-for-users-to-read/ My wife also has bad eyesight and sets her Mac to default to very large font sizes. I hope you can find a solution that works for you. Regards, - Brendon KK6AYI On Jun 10, 2013, at 12:08 PM, Vincent Diak wrote: > Thanks for letting me know it may bother some people, i don't really understand why it should, but may someone explain to me about the caps? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Vincent Diak <[hidden email]>wrote:
> Sorry About the caps,... ======= Vince, an easy way to make text bigger and easier to read is to press Control-+ (the Control key and the + key at the same time). You can make the letters huge, but it won't affect outgoing emails. 73, Tony KT0NY -- http://www.isb.edu/faculty/facultydir.aspx?ddlFaculty=352 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Note that Capital letters are slower to transmit in the PSK
family of modes due to the way Varicode <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varicode> is defined. While sending all caps makes PSK look like RTTY, it is noticeably slower than using mixed case or all lower case. Cheers - Bill, AE6JV ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | The first thing you need when | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | using a perimeter defense is a | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | perimeter. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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But it doesn't work in all email software when you are composing. I use
Thunderbird and it works to read incoming email, but it doesn't when Writing or Composing an email. Good idea and worth experimenting, though. If I were Vincent, I'd make it as large as I need to compose and let others hit Ctlr+- to make it small enough to their liking. hi. Do what you need to do to be "heard", Vincent. Eric KE6US On 6/10/2013 1:12 PM, Tony Estep wrote: > On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Vincent Diak <[hidden email]>wrote: > >> Sorry About the caps,... > ======= > Vince, an easy way to make text bigger and easier to read is to press > Control-+ (the Control key and the + key at the same time). You can make > the letters huge, but it won't affect outgoing emails. > > 73, > Tony KT0NY > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Vince,
The reflector accepts only plain text, and I believe the HTML used to form large size letters and color are stripped off, so everyone sees only the plain text of your message. 73, Don W3FPR On 6/10/2013 3:08 PM, Vincent Diak wrote: > Sorry About the caps, seems like i'm always saying i'm sorry about the use of capital letters. I have a vision problem, so i'm going to increase the size; hope this will show up! i like the color blue, but don't know if this will go to the reflector the way i see it. Wish i cold see better, its just a habit for me. Thanks for letting me know it may bother some people, i don't really understand why it should, but may someone explain to me about the caps? thank you all, god bless you all and god bless ham radio. > vincent wb2pdw 73 love the kx3 !! wha hoo! > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Isn't it amazing that we, as a society, have come to such a cushy existence
that we have time to worry about such things? I guess 'hunting and gathering' is no more. ________________________________ John T. Gwin [hidden email] [hidden email] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vincent Diak" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:08 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Capital letters on reflector > Sorry About the caps, seems like i'm always saying i'm sorry about the use > of capital letters. I have a vision problem, so i'm going to increase the > size; hope this will show up! i like the color blue, but don't know if > this will go to the reflector the way i see it. Wish i cold see better, > its just a habit for me. Thanks for letting me know it may bother some > people, i don't really understand why it should, but may someone explain > to me about the caps? thank you all, god bless you all and god bless ham > radio. > vincent wb2pdw 73 love the kx3 !! wha hoo! > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3199/6398 - Release Date: 06/10/13 > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Heh....
Ya, what you said. > From: [hidden email] > To: [hidden email]; [hidden email] > Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:01:25 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Capital letters on reflector > > Isn't it amazing that we, as a society, have come to such a cushy existence > that we have time to worry about such things? I guess 'hunting and > gathering' is no more. > ________________________________ > John T. Gwin > [hidden email] > [hidden email] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vincent Diak" <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:08 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] Capital letters on reflector > > > > Sorry About the caps, seems like i'm always saying i'm sorry about the use > > of capital letters. I have a vision problem, so i'm going to increase the > > size; hope this will show up! i like the color blue, but don't know if > > this will go to the reflector the way i see it. Wish i cold see better, > > its just a habit for me. Thanks for letting me know it may bother some > > people, i don't really understand why it should, but may someone explain > > to me about the caps? thank you all, god bless you all and god bless ham > > radio. > > vincent wb2pdw 73 love the kx3 !! wha hoo! > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3199/6398 - Release Date: 06/10/13 > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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It is also VERY difficult to read with speed. I prefer normal text to help
me get through at least 200+ emails a day. So I beg of the all caps typers to use normal case. Please do capitalize when typing sentences as well. I am one of those who can read mistyped semi scramble text and understand it. All caps kills my brain. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ron D'Eau Claire Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 4:45 PM To: 'Vincent Diak'; [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Capital letters on reflector Here on the Elecraft reflector the text is transmitted as plain ASCII, meaning that all of the formatting (font size, etc.) is stripped. That won't fix "all caps" since capitals and lower case are all individual ASCII coded characters and go through the system as such. But, if you increase the font size at your end to read it more easily it won't show up any differently at the reader's end. As others noted, all caps in e-mails is "shouting", Hi! When I want to emphasize a word politely, I use asterisks like *this*. For me, that's the ASCII equivalent of boldface type. 73 Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- Sorry About the caps, seems like i'm always saying i'm sorry about the use of capital letters. I have a vision problem, so i'm going to increase the size; hope this will show up! i like the color blue, but don't know if this will go to the reflector the way i see it. Wish i cold see better, its just a habit for me. Thanks for letting me know it may bother some people, i don't really understand why it should, but may someone explain to me about the caps? thank you all, god bless you all and god bless ham radio. vincent wb2pdw 73 love the kx3 !! wha hoo! ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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On 6/10/2013 12:41 PM, Brendon Whateley wrote:
> There are two reasons that all caps bother people. The first is > internet convention where words in all CAPS are considered to be LOUD > or SHOUTING. That means all caps emails are seen as yelling at the > reader by most. Sometimes the writer wants to "speak loudly".... > The second is much more important, and that is that all caps is much > more difficult to read. It removes many visual clues that people use > to read quickly. Those of us who started in the "telecom" business with classic teleprinters are very used to reading upper case only. Even into today, HF marine safety and press bulletins and traffic are transmitted in upper case because Baudot and SITOR RTTY use International Telegraph Alphabet Number 2 which does not have lower case. Those of us who are fluent in languages that do not use "Latin" characters are comfortable with a single-case alphabet. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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On 6/10/2013 1:57 PM, EricJ wrote:
> But it doesn't work in all email software when you are composing. I > use Thunderbird and it works to read incoming email, but it doesn't > when Writing or Composing an email. Good idea and worth > experimenting, though. Look into a T-Bird add-on called External Editor which is free from <http://globs.org>. This enables you to use your preferred text editor for composing e-mail using any font and size that you desire. The text editor "exports" "standard" ASCII to the T-Bird compose window when the latter is set for text-only messages. (I experienced a glitch in downloading it into Win 7 - I found the "workaround" if anyone has any problems.) 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 > From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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YOU SURE IT'S NOT JUST BAUDOT? RYRYRYRYRYRYRY
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013, Vincent Diak wrote: > Sorry About the caps, seems like i'm always saying i'm sorry about the use of capital letters. I have a vision problem, so i'm going to increase the size; hope this will show up! i like the color blue, but don't know if this will go to the reflector the way i see it. Wish i cold see better, its just a habit for me. Thanks for letting me know it may bother some people, i don't really understand why it should, but may someone explain to me about the caps? thank you all, god bless you all and god bless ham radio. > vincent wb2pdw 73 love the kx3 !! wha hoo! > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - [hidden email] BSEE(6/86) + BSChem(3/95) + BAEnglish(8/95) + MSCS(8/03) + $2.50 = latte ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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When in the Signal Corps from '69-72 the TTY machines were all caps, it
wasn't any easier to read then, than it is today. I read faster with standard text. All CAPs adds emphasis in my brain. Yes, like yelling; however, it is very common for some e-mailers. While it seems like yelling, I don't think that is the intention of the sender, so I am not offended... just have trouble reading it. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Hisashi T Fujinaka Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 6:04 PM To: Vincent Diak Cc: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Capital letters on reflector YOU SURE IT'S NOT JUST BAUDOT? RYRYRYRYRYRYRY On Mon, 10 Jun 2013, Vincent Diak wrote: > Sorry About the caps, seems like i'm always saying i'm sorry about the use of capital letters. I have a vision problem, so i'm going to increase the size; hope this will show up! i like the color blue, but don't know if this will go to the reflector the way i see it. Wish i cold see better, its just a habit for me. Thanks for letting me know it may bother some people, i don't really understand why it should, but may someone explain to me about the caps? thank you all, god bless you all and god bless ham radio. > vincent wb2pdw 73 love the kx3 !! wha hoo! > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - [hidden email] BSEE(6/86) + BSChem(3/95) + BAEnglish(8/95) + MSCS(8/03) + $2.50 = latte ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Uncials (lower case letters) were invented by the Carolingians to allow
people to read faster and increase literacy. It is odd that an unlettered king (later Emperor) started a wave of literacy in the early middle ages. The same follk also designed the italic font style. It was named italic by later scribes who wanted to invoke the prestige of Rome. When I get my messages from MARS I put them through a script which changes them to all lower case. Even though they knew lower case letters were more easily read they insisted on all caps because they look more official. Go figure. 73, Kevin. KD5ONS On 6/10/2013 3:21 PM, Phil Kane wrote: > On 6/10/2013 12:41 PM, Brendon Whateley wrote: > >> There are two reasons that all caps bother people. The first is >> internet convention where words in all CAPS are considered to be LOUD >> or SHOUTING. That means all caps emails are seen as yelling at the >> reader by most. > Sometimes the writer wants to "speak loudly".... > >> The second is much more important, and that is that all caps is much >> more difficult to read. It removes many visual clues that people use >> to read quickly. > Those of us who started in the "telecom" business with classic > teleprinters are very used to reading upper case only. Even into today, > HF marine safety and press bulletins and traffic are transmitted in > upper case because Baudot and SITOR RTTY use International Telegraph > Alphabet Number 2 which does not have lower case. > > Those of us who are fluent in languages that do not use "Latin" > characters are comfortable with a single-case alphabet. > > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane > Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 > > >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest > Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Hi Kevin,
This is probably off-topic^2 (way off-topic). I heard on the 9A1A (AZ admin net) that there is a move afoot to allow lower case in MARS messages. This will make things a lot easier to handle for regular people, but still seems like it's a long ways off. 73, matt W6NIA / NNN0UET SCA - On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:40:40 -0700, you wrote: >Uncials (lower case letters) were invented by the Carolingians to allow >people to read faster and increase literacy. It is odd that an >unlettered king (later Emperor) started a wave of literacy in the early >middle ages. The same follk also designed the italic font style. It >was named italic by later scribes who wanted to invoke the prestige of Rome. > >When I get my messages from MARS I put them through a script which >changes them to all lower case. Even though they knew lower case >letters were more easily read they insisted on all caps because they >look more official. Go figure. > 73, > Kevin. KD5ONS > > > >On 6/10/2013 3:21 PM, Phil Kane wrote: >> On 6/10/2013 12:41 PM, Brendon Whateley wrote: >> >>> There are two reasons that all caps bother people. The first is >>> internet convention where words in all CAPS are considered to be LOUD >>> or SHOUTING. That means all caps emails are seen as yelling at the >>> reader by most. >> Sometimes the writer wants to "speak loudly".... >> >>> The second is much more important, and that is that all caps is much >>> more difficult to read. It removes many visual clues that people use >>> to read quickly. >> Those of us who started in the "telecom" business with classic >> teleprinters are very used to reading upper case only. Even into today, >> HF marine safety and press bulletins and traffic are transmitted in >> upper case because Baudot and SITOR RTTY use International Telegraph >> Alphabet Number 2 which does not have lower case. >> >> Those of us who are fluent in languages that do not use "Latin" >> characters are comfortable with a single-case alphabet. >> >> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane >> Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >> >> >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest >> Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:[hidden email] > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Phil,
You said: "Even into today, HF marine safety and press bulletins and traffic are transmitted in upper case because Baudot and SITOR RTTY use International Telegraph Alphabet Number 2 which does not have lower case." I'm having a problem with this. I had a Baudot machine, and as I remember it, we sent either an upper, or a lower, case signal (character) to place the machine at the far end in that case position and it would stay there until we sent a corresponding character to change it back again. I'm not familiar with ITA Number 2. Baudot was a five bit code (plus a stop bit) for 32 characters. That was long ago. Dick, n0ce ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Kane To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Capital letters on reflector On 6/10/2013 12:41 PM, Brendon Whateley wrote: > There are two reasons that all caps bother people. The first is > internet convention where words in all CAPS are considered to be LOUD > or SHOUTING. That means all caps emails are seen as yelling at the > reader by most. Sometimes the writer wants to "speak loudly".... > The second is much more important, and that is that all caps is much > more difficult to read. It removes many visual clues that people use > to read quickly. Those of us who started in the "telecom" business with classic teleprinters are very used to reading upper case only. Even into today, HF marine safety and press bulletins and traffic are transmitted in upper case because Baudot and SITOR RTTY use International Telegraph Alphabet Number 2 which does not have lower case. Those of us who are fluent in languages that do not use "Latin" characters are comfortable with a single-case alphabet. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Technically this was "figures shift" and "letters shift" and was not
really upper/lower case. FIGS and LTRS may ring a bell. Letters were the normal A...Z alphabet and figures were numbers 0...9 and punctuation, etc. Or if you got into some of the weather machines, many of the normal punctuation marks were replaced by symbols for cloud percentage. Jack K8ZOA On 6/11/2013 1:28 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > Phil, > > You said: "Even into today, HF marine safety and press bulletins and traffic are transmitted in > upper case because Baudot and SITOR RTTY use International Telegraph > Alphabet Number 2 which does not have lower case." > > I'm having a problem with this. I had a Baudot machine, and as I remember it, we sent either an upper, or a lower, case signal (character) to place the machine at the far end in that case position and it would stay there until we sent a corresponding character to change it back again. I'm not familiar with ITA Number 2. Baudot was a five bit code (plus a stop bit) for 32 characters. That was long ago. > > Dick, n0ce > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Phil Kane > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 5:21 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Capital letters on reflector > > > On 6/10/2013 12:41 PM, Brendon Whateley wrote: > > > There are two reasons that all caps bother people. The first is > > internet convention where words in all CAPS are considered to be LOUD > > or SHOUTING. That means all caps emails are seen as yelling at the > > reader by most. > > Sometimes the writer wants to "speak loudly".... > > > The second is much more important, and that is that all caps is much > > more difficult to read. It removes many visual clues that people use > > to read quickly. > > Those of us who started in the "telecom" business with classic > teleprinters are very used to reading upper case only. Even into today, > HF marine safety and press bulletins and traffic are transmitted in > upper case because Baudot and SITOR RTTY use International Telegraph > Alphabet Number 2 which does not have lower case. > > Those of us who are fluent in languages that do not use "Latin" > characters are comfortable with a single-case alphabet. > > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane > Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 > > From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest > Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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On 6/10/2013 10:28 PM, Richard Fjeld wrote:
> Phil, > > You said: "Even into today, HF marine safety and press bulletins and > traffic are transmitted in > upper case because Baudot and SITOR RTTY use International Telegraph > Alphabet Number 2 which does not have lower case." > I'm having a problem with this. I had a Baudot machine, and as I > remember it, we sent either an upper, or a lower, case signal > (character) to place the machine at the far end in that case position > and it would stay there until we sent a corresponding character to > change it back again. You may have been confusing that with the "Letters" / "Figures" shift. The "Figures" case contains the numbers and certain punctuation marks and control codes, but no lower-case letters. Occasionally my PK232 decodes the beginning of the USCG HF SITOR/GMDSS marine safety bulletins incorrectly by shifting into the Figures case, and it stays there until a genuine number is sent followed by a Letters Shift character. I have become used to that and mentally decode :1 :1 :1 @3 ,.: ,.: ,.: 464646 as CQ CQ CQ DE NMC NMC NMC RYRYRY (NMC is the USCG Communications Area Master Station Pacific in Pt. Reyes, CA). Applicability to Elecraft -- "RTTY" is sent in ITA2 as is AMTOR, both of which are receivable with the K-2/K3/KX3 transceivers. If the received copy is garbled, it's probably because of a loss of a needed LTRS shift character or a false FIGS shift character. > I'm not familiar with ITA Number 2. Baudot was a > five bit code (plus a stop bit) for 32 characters. That was long ago. ITA2 is the correct nomenclature for what we amateurs call "Baudot". It's still in use worldwide with SITOR (commercial version of AMTOR) as part of the Global Maritime Distress and Safety System (GMDSS). With the general coverage receiver option of the K3 one can discover a lot more out there other than on the ham bands. For further into on the evolution of ITA2 see the Wikipedia listing for "Baudot Code". 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Wikipedia is a great resource for computer/communication
standards. Baudot and its derived code ITA2 have only upper case, with two characters LTRS and FIGS to determine whether letters or numbers and special characters are being sent. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baudot_code> RIchard may be thinking of the code used by the IBM 2741 terminal which has upper and lower case shift codes. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_2741>. Cheers - Bill AE6JV On 6/11/13 at 10:28 PM, [hidden email] (Richard Fjeld) wrote: >You said: "Even into today, HF marine safety and press bulletins and traffic are transmitted in >upper case because Baudot and SITOR RTTY use International Telegraph >Alphabet Number 2 which does not have lower case." > >I'm having a problem with this. I had a Baudot machine, and as >I remember it, we sent either an upper, or a lower, case signal >(character) to place the machine at the far end in that case >position and it would stay there until we sent a corresponding >character to change it back again. I'm not familiar with ITA >Number 2. Baudot was a five bit code (plus a stop bit) for 32 >characters. That was long ago. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | If the site is supported by | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | ads, you are the product. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | | Los Gatos, CA 95032 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: Capital letters on reflector
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We're drifting way off-topic. Let's end this thread for now and take it
to direct email if needed. 73, Eric List moderotator elecraft.com On 6/11/2013 10:26 AM, Phil Kane wrote: > On 6/10/2013 10:28 PM, Richard Fjeld wrote: >> Phil, >> >> You said: "Even into today, HF marine safety and press bulletins and >> traffic are transmitted in >> upper case because Baudot and SITOR RTTY use International Telegraph >> Al ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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