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wayne burdick

Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta firmware (4.36)

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If you use QRQ mode (high-speed CW/ultra-fast break-in), you'll notice
that the latest firmware provides a temporary solution to the problem
of having to turn off QRQ mode in order to use SPLIT, RIT, or XIT.
Previously, you had to turn QRQ mode off manually using the CONFIG:CW
QRQ menu entry. Now, engaging any type of split will automatically
turn QRQ mode off, then turn it back on once you've disabled all splits.

We're still planning to allow limited-range RIT with QRQ mode turned
on in a future firmware release. But several QRQ users had suggested
this interim change. I use QRQ mode all the time, and I've found the
change to be very convenient.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Gary Gregory

Re: Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta firmware (4.36)

Wayne,

Is it true you have to be better than 19wpm to do QRQ?

Grin

Oh if only...sigh

I have tried it and it works but I had to cheat a Lil Bit ok?

73's
Gary

On 28 April 2011 15:05, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:

> If you use QRQ mode (high-speed CW/ultra-fast break-in), you'll notice
> that the latest firmware provides a temporary solution to the problem
> of having to turn off QRQ mode in order to use SPLIT, RIT, or XIT.
> Previously, you had to turn QRQ mode off manually using the CONFIG:CW
> QRQ menu entry. Now, engaging any type of split will automatically
> turn QRQ mode off, then turn it back on once you've disabled all splits.
>
> We're still planning to allow limited-range RIT with QRQ mode turned
> on in a future firmware release. But several QRQ users had suggested
> this interim change. I use QRQ mode all the time, and I've found the
> change to be very convenient.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
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Chester Alderman

Re: Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta firmware (4.36)

Gary,

All it takes is a 'little' practice! [:>))

I don't think QRQ actually has a definition? Just like QSK really does not
have a meaningful definition. In general I think QRQ (or high speed CW,
whichever) begins around 40 or 50 wpm - that is the 'easy' part. The
difficult part of learning QRQ is between about 50 and 60 wpm where you have
to completely re-learn how to copy CW. Full QSK, in my opinion, is a
requirement to get the full enjoyment of QSO'ing at speeds of 80 wpm and
better. It is one of the most fun part's if this hobby that I have found.
Unfortunately there just are not too many hams interested in putting in the
work to learn how to copy QRQ.

My K3 puts out great sounding CW up to about 96 wpm. Try it, you probably
will enjoy it?

73,

Tom - W4BQF

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gary Gregory
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:50 AM
To: Wayne Burdick
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta
firmware (4.36)

Wayne,

Is it true you have to be better than 19wpm to do QRQ?

Grin

Oh if only...sigh

I have tried it and it works but I had to cheat a Lil Bit ok?

73's
Gary

On 28 April 2011 15:05, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:

Brendan Minish

Re: Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta firmware (4.36)

Tom,

Have you any advice you might be able to share about how to best
progress towards true QRQ CW?

I am currently a reasonable CW contest op and can ragchew ok ~ 25WPM
most of the time when I am not trying too hard
When I try 'too hard' I start to loose the ability to headcopy easily
and once the head-copy is gone altogether you might as well bring our
cat into the shack to finish the QSO ;-)

I have spent many hours listening to text (books ) converted to CW at 35
to 50WPM and it has helped a bit, but it has not helped nearly as much
as I had hoped it would.
Just occasionally I can get into the 'zone' and follow a book just fine
at 40WPM but, then I 'notice' myself doing it and it all goes to pot
again, after that it's back to getting words here and there perfectly,
then missing the next one.

On 28/04/2011 12:06, Tommy Alderman wrote:
> Gary,
>
> All it takes is a 'little' practice! [:>))

--
73
Brendan EI6IZ
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AD4C2009

Re: Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta firmware (4.36)

In reply to this post by Chester Alderman

To make a QSO at 96 wpm is not to make CW,simply you are an operator who types on a keyboard and then read the text over the screen when be replied.Real operators are the ones who by ears and by hand can TX/RX up to 60 or maybe 70.Those ones are the ones who deserve the merit.Using a software to contact some one at higher speeds is just a joke,sorry for this but been a high speed op all my life every time I hear guys at 90 or over make me feel I learned morse code for nothing when today anyone can be there pretending he/she is a good CW op.Thats far from the truth.
Shame they deleted the morse code off the tests to be an extra class,they should have keep it or at least create a new extra class for the guys who really deserve the merit of been fast op's.Unfortunately today bands are full of CW LIDS who don't let others operate properly when dxing.

AD4C

"If freedom means something,it is the right to tell others what they don't want to hear" –George Orwell

From: Tommy Alderman <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta firmware (4.36)

Gary,

All it takes is a 'little' practice! [:>))

I don't think QRQ actually has a definition? Just like QSK really does not
have a meaningful definition. In general I think QRQ (or high speed CW,
whichever) begins around 40 or 50 wpm - that is the 'easy' part. The
difficult part of learning QRQ is between about 50 and 60 wpm where you have
to completely re-learn how to copy CW. Full QSK, in my opinion, is a
requirement to get the full enjoyment of QSO'ing at speeds of 80 wpm and
better. It is one of the most fun part's if this hobby that I have found.
Unfortunately there just are not too many hams interested in putting in the
work to learn how to copy QRQ.

My K3 puts out great sounding CW up to about 96 wpm. Try it, you probably
will enjoy it?

73,

Tom - W4BQF

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gary Gregory
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:50 AM
To: Wayne Burdick
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta
firmware (4.36)

Wayne,

Is it true you have to be better than 19wpm to do QRQ?

Grin

Oh if only...sigh

I have tried it and it works but I had to cheat a Lil Bit ok?

73's
Gary

On 28 April 2011 15:05, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Chester Alderman

Re: Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta firmware (4.36)

Sorry to hear about your Dad Hector. I certainly hope he is recovering well and will continue to do so.

It is pretty obvious you are NOT a QRQ operator Hector. If you were, then you would know that, first, there are no computer CW copying programs that can copy CW at speeds much over about 60 wpm. They can’t do it simply because at those speeds, it is very difficult for the programs to distinguish between the CW signal and typical atmospheric noise and noise crashes. Yes, there are some programs used by high security groups whose programs can copy CW in excess of 500 wpm, but I can assure you those programs are not available, and probably not affordable by the average ham. Your comments are very uninformed about the copying; I can tell you that I have had many QSO’s around 120 wpm and all copy was ONLY by ear.

Yes, we all use a keyboard/computer to send at speeds much over 70 wpm simply because it is impractical to try to send constantly spaced and formed letters/words with a bug or keyer of any kind. I have listened to you many times trying to send CW at ‘higher’ speeds and (not being critical), your code was awful!

Instead of being negative about QRQ, why don’t you spend the time to learn how to copy CW at high speeds? Since the mid-70’s it has provided me with a heck of a lot of enjoyment in my hobby.

73,

Tom – W4BQF

From: Hector Padron
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:43 AM
To: Tommy Alderman
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta firmware (4.36)

To make a QSO at 96 wpm is not to make CW,simply you are an operator who types on a keyboard and then read the text over the screen when be replied.Real operators are the ones who by ears and by hand can TX/RX up to 60 or maybe 70.Those ones are the ones who deserve the merit.Using a software to contact some one at higher speeds is just a joke,sorry for this but been a high speed op all my life every time I hear guys at 90 or over make me feel I learned morse code for nothing when today anyone can be there pretending he/she is a good CW op.Thats far from the truth.
Shame they deleted the morse code off the tests to be an extra class,they should have keep it or at least create a new extra class for the guys who really deserve the merit of been fast op's.Unfortunately today bands are full of CW LIDS who don't let others operate properly when dxing.

AD4C

"If freedom means something,it is the right to tell others what they don't want to hear" –George Orwell

From: Tommy Alderman <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta firmware (4.36)

Gary,

All it takes is a 'little' practice! [:>))

I don't think QRQ actually has a definition? Just like QSK really does not
have a meaningful definition. In general I think QRQ (or high speed CW,
whichever) begins around 40 or 50 wpm - that is the 'easy' part. The
difficult part of learning QRQ is between about 50 and 60 wpm where you have
to completely re-learn how to copy CW. Full QSK, in my opinion, is a
requirement to get the full enjoyment of QSO'ing at speeds of 80 wpm and
better. It is one of the most fun part's if this hobby that I have found.
Unfortunately there just are not too many hams interested in putting in the
work to learn how to copy QRQ.

My K3 puts out great sounding CW up to about 96 wpm. Try it, you probably
will enjoy it?

73,

Tom - W4BQF

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gary Gregory
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:50 AM
To: Wayne Burdick
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta
firmware (4.36)

Wayne,

Is it true you have to be better than 19wpm to do QRQ?

Grin

Oh if only...sigh

I have tried it and it works but I had to cheat a Lil Bit ok?

73's
Gary

On 28 April 2011 15:05, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Chester Alderman

Re: Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta firmware (4.36)

In reply to this post by Brendan Minish

Hi Brendan,

Please look at my (very old and out-dated!) web page at:

http://tom.w4bqf.googlepages.com/home

I have written an explanation of how I learned to copy CW above 60 wpm.
Please keep in mind that this is only what worked for ME and others learned
in different ways. It does require a lot of practice to get through the 55
wpm 'speed hump' as I call it. Fortunately once you can copy over about 60
wpm, from there on up, it seems to be relatively easy to progress. It took
me almost a year to learn to copy solidly at 60 wpm, but less than a year to
progress past 100 wpm.

Let me know if you have any questions and I'll be glad to try and help.

73,
Tom - W4BQF

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Brendan Minish
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:14 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta
firmware (4.36)

Tom,

Have you any advice you might be able to share about how to best
progress towards true QRQ CW?

I am currently a reasonable CW contest op and can ragchew ok ~ 25WPM
most of the time when I am not trying too hard
When I try 'too hard' I start to loose the ability to headcopy easily
and once the head-copy is gone altogether you might as well bring our
cat into the shack to finish the QSO ;-)

I have spent many hours listening to text (books ) converted to CW at 35
to 50WPM and it has helped a bit, but it has not helped nearly as much
as I had hoped it would.
Just occasionally I can get into the 'zone' and follow a book just fine
at 40WPM but, then I 'notice' myself doing it and it all goes to pot
again, after that it's back to getting words here and there perfectly,
then missing the next one.

On 28/04/2011 12:06, Tommy Alderman wrote:
> Gary,
>
> All it takes is a 'little' practice! [:>))

--
73
Brendan EI6IZ
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Jack Brabham KZ5A

Re: Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta firmware (4.36)

In reply to this post by Chester Alderman

I'm sure that the few dozen hams on the planet that operate CW at
ridiculous speeds are thrilled by this otherwise meaningless update.

I'd be more impressed if Elecraft could figure out how to make the K3
handshake with an external auto-tuner, or if I could ask a basic
question about setting the K3 up for AM and get more than the internet
equivalent of a dumb look.

73 Jack KZ5A

On 4/28/2011 9:20 AM, Tommy wrote:

> Sorry to hear about your Dad Hector. I certainly hope he is recovering well and will continue to do so.
>
> It is pretty obvious you are NOT a QRQ operator Hector. If you were, then you would know that, first, there are no computer CW copying programs that can copy CW at speeds much over about 60 wpm. They can’t do it simply because at those speeds, it is very difficult for the programs to distinguish between the CW signal and typical atmospheric noise and noise crashes. Yes, there are some programs used by high security groups whose programs can copy CW in excess of 500 wpm, but I can assure you those programs are not available, and probably not affordable by the average ham. Your comments are very uninformed about the copying; I can tell you that I have had many QSO’s around 120 wpm and all copy was ONLY by ear.
>
> Yes, we all use a keyboard/computer to send at speeds much over 70 wpm simply because it is impractical to try to send constantly spaced and formed letters/words with a bug or keyer of any kind. I have listened to you many times trying to send CW at ‘higher’ speeds and (not being critical), your code was awful!
>
> Instead of being negative about QRQ, why don’t you spend the time to learn how to copy CW at high speeds? Since the mid-70’s it has provided me with a heck of a lot of enjoyment in my hobby.
>
> 73,
>
> Tom – W4BQF
>
>
> From: Hector Padron
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:43 AM
> To: Tommy Alderman
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta firmware (4.36)
>
>
> To make a QSO at 96 wpm is not to make CW,simply you are an operator who types on a keyboard and then read the text over the screen when be replied.Real operators are the ones who by ears and by hand can TX/RX up to 60 or maybe 70.Those ones are the ones who deserve the merit.Using a software to contact some one at higher speeds is just a joke,sorry for this but been a high speed op all my life every time I hear guys at 90 or over make me feel I learned morse code for nothing when today anyone can be there pretending he/she is a good CW op.Thats far from the truth.
> Shame they deleted the morse code off the tests to be an extra class,they should have keep it or at least create a new extra class for the guys who really deserve the merit of been fast op's.Unfortunately today bands are full of CW LIDS who don't let others operate properly when dxing.
>
>
> AD4C
>
> "If freedom means something,it is the right to tell others what they don't want to hear" –George Orwell
>
> From: Tommy Alderman<[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 8:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta firmware (4.36)
>
> Gary,
>
> All it takes is a 'little' practice! [:>))
>
> I don't think QRQ actually has a definition? Just like QSK really does not
> have a meaningful definition. In general I think QRQ (or high speed CW,
> whichever) begins around 40 or 50 wpm - that is the 'easy' part. The
> difficult part of learning QRQ is between about 50 and 60 wpm where you have
> to completely re-learn how to copy CW. Full QSK, in my opinion, is a
> requirement to get the full enjoyment of QSO'ing at speeds of 80 wpm and
> better. It is one of the most fun part's if this hobby that I have found.
> Unfortunately there just are not too many hams interested in putting in the
> work to learn how to copy QRQ.
>
> My K3 puts out great sounding CW up to about 96 wpm. Try it, you probably
> will enjoy it?
>
> 73,
>
> Tom - W4BQF
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gary Gregory
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:50 AM
> To: Wayne Burdick
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta
> firmware (4.36)
>
> Wayne,
>
> Is it true you have to be better than 19wpm to do QRQ?
>
> Grin
>
>
> Oh if only...sigh
>
> I have tried it and it works but I had to cheat a Lil Bit ok?
>
> 73's
> Gary
>
> On 28 April 2011 15:05, Wayne Burdick<[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> If you use QRQ mode (high-speed CW/ultra-fast break-in), you'll notice
>> that the latest firmware provides a temporary solution to the problem
>> of having to turn off QRQ mode in order to use SPLIT, RIT, or XIT.
>> Previously, you had to turn QRQ mode off manually using the CONFIG:CW
>> QRQ menu entry. Now, engaging any type of split will automatically
>> turn QRQ mode off, then turn it back on once you've disabled all splits.
>>
>> We're still planning to allow limited-range RIT with QRQ mode turned
>> on in a future firmware release. But several QRQ users had suggested
>> this interim change. I use QRQ mode all the time, and I've found the
>> change to be very convenient.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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Mike Reublin

Re: Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta firmware (4.36)

I was hoping for VOX by mode.

73, Mike NF4L

On 4/28/2011 11:14 AM, Jack Brabham wrote:

> I'm sure that the few dozen hams on the planet that operate CW at
> ridiculous speeds are thrilled by this otherwise meaningless update.
>
> I'd be more impressed if Elecraft could figure out how to make the K3
> handshake with an external auto-tuner, or if I could ask a basic
> question about setting the K3 up for AM and get more than the internet
> equivalent of a dumb look.
>
> 73 Jack KZ5A
>
>
> On 4/28/2011 9:20 AM, Tommy wrote:
>> Sorry to hear about your Dad Hector. I certainly hope he is recovering well and will continue to do so.
>>
>> It is pretty obvious you are NOT a QRQ operator Hector. If you were, then you would know that, first, there are no computer CW copying programs that can copy CW at speeds much over about 60 wpm. They can’t do it simply because at those speeds, it is very difficult for the programs to distinguish between the CW signal and typical atmospheric noise and noise crashes. Yes, there are some programs used by high security groups whose programs can copy CW in excess of 500 wpm, but I can assure you those programs are not available, and probably not affordable by the average ham. Your comments are very uninformed about the copying; I can tell you that I have had many QSO’s around 120 wpm and all copy was ONLY by ear.
>>
>> Yes, we all use a keyboard/computer to send at speeds much over 70 wpm simply because it is impractical to try to send constantly spaced and formed letters/words with a bug or keyer of any kind. I have listened to you many times trying to send CW at ‘higher’ speeds and (not being critical), your code was awful!
>>
>> Instead of being negative about QRQ, why don’t you spend the time to learn how to copy CW at high speeds? Since the mid-70’s it has provided me with a heck of a lot of enjoyment in my hobby.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Tom – W4BQF
>>
>>
>> From: Hector Padron
>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:43 AM
>> To: Tommy Alderman
>> Cc: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta firmware (4.36)
>>
>>
>> To make a QSO at 96 wpm is not to make CW,simply you are an operator who types on a keyboard and then read the text over the screen when be replied.Real operators are the ones who by ears and by hand can TX/RX up to 60 or maybe 70.Those ones are the ones who deserve the merit.Using a software to contact some one at higher speeds is just a joke,sorry for this but been a high speed op all my life every time I hear guys at 90 or over make me feel I learned morse code for nothing when today anyone can be there pretending he/she is a good CW op.Thats far from the truth.
>> Shame they deleted the morse code off the tests to be an extra class,they should have keep it or at least create a new extra class for the guys who really deserve the merit of been fast op's.Unfortunately today bands are full of CW LIDS who don't let others operate properly when dxing.
>>
>>
>> AD4C
>>
>> "If freedom means something,it is the right to tell others what they don't want to hear" –George Orwell
>>
>> From: Tommy Alderman<[hidden email]>
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 8:06 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta firmware (4.36)
>>
>> Gary,
>>
>> All it takes is a 'little' practice! [:>))
>>
>> I don't think QRQ actually has a definition? Just like QSK really does not
>> have a meaningful definition. In general I think QRQ (or high speed CW,
>> whichever) begins around 40 or 50 wpm - that is the 'easy' part. The
>> difficult part of learning QRQ is between about 50 and 60 wpm where you have
>> to completely re-learn how to copy CW. Full QSK, in my opinion, is a
>> requirement to get the full enjoyment of QSO'ing at speeds of 80 wpm and
>> better. It is one of the most fun part's if this hobby that I have found.
>> Unfortunately there just are not too many hams interested in putting in the
>> work to learn how to copy QRQ.
>>
>> My K3 puts out great sounding CW up to about 96 wpm. Try it, you probably
>> will enjoy it?
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Tom - W4BQF
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gary Gregory
>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:50 AM
>> To: Wayne Burdick
>> Cc: Elecraft Reflector
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta
>> firmware (4.36)
>>
>> Wayne,
>>
>> Is it true you have to be better than 19wpm to do QRQ?
>>
>> Grin
>>
>>
>> Oh if only...sigh
>>
>> I have tried it and it works but I had to cheat a Lil Bit ok?
>>
>> 73's
>> Gary
>>
>> On 28 April 2011 15:05, Wayne Burdick<[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> If you use QRQ mode (high-speed CW/ultra-fast break-in), you'll notice
>>> that the latest firmware provides a temporary solution to the problem
>>> of having to turn off QRQ mode in order to use SPLIT, RIT, or XIT.
>>> Previously, you had to turn QRQ mode off manually using the CONFIG:CW
>>> QRQ menu entry. Now, engaging any type of split will automatically
>>> turn QRQ mode off, then turn it back on once you've disabled all splits.
>>>
>>> We're still planning to allow limited-range RIT with QRQ mode turned
>>> on in a future firmware release. But several QRQ users had suggested
>>> this interim change. I use QRQ mode all the time, and I've found the
>>> change to be very convenient.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>>
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Re: Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta firmware (4.36)

In reply to this post by Jack Brabham KZ5A

On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 10:14 -0500, Jack Brabham wrote:
> I'm sure that the few dozen hams on the planet that operate CW at
> ridiculous speeds are thrilled by this otherwise meaningless update.

Actually QRQ mode is much nicer sounding for full break-in operation
'normal' CW speeds too

The k3 works just fine with mfj auto-tuner and when I had a K3 with the
AM filter it was simply a matter of selecting AM and I was good to go

--
73
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Re: Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta firmware (4.36)

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AD4C> To make a QSO at 96 wpm is not to make CW,simply you are an operator
who types on a keyboard and then read the text over the screen

Many ops are enjoying copying by ear at 65+, some even at more than 100.

Many of those same ops also enjoy slowing it way down and sending manually.

Sending manually at 40+ is impractical. Much of the enjoyment in QRQ comes
from listening to your own QRQ code as it goes out, and copying by head as
it comes in -- not from the typing. The typing is a means to a goal.

I'm very grateful to the Elecrew for dedicating resources and energy into
the QRQ improvements for the K3. Their methods are innovative; the results
are useful (admittedly to a niche group); and the results are as high
performance as the rest of the rig. Their attention to this feature is
superb and the results are outstanding.

To each his own!

--Andrew, NV1B
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Re: Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta firmware (4.36)

In reply to this post by Jack Brabham KZ5A

QRQ mode, as Brendan points out, makes a BIG difference in how QSK sounds, even at slower
speeds. But it also significantly improves the quality of sent CW at speeds as low as 33
wpm. At 36 wpm it's very easy to tell when QRQ mode is on. This is the case with either an
internal or external keyer.

These are not 'ridiculous speeds'. It wouldn't surprise me if there are more operators who
regularly send 35 wpm than there are who use AM!

On 4/28/2011 8:14 AM, Jack Brabham wrote:
> I'm sure that the few dozen hams on the planet that operate CW at
> ridiculous speeds are thrilled by this otherwise meaningless update.
>
> I'd be more impressed if Elecraft could figure out how to make the K3
> handshake with an external auto-tuner, or if I could ask a basic
> question about setting the K3 up for AM and get more than the internet
> equivalent of a dumb look.
>
> 73 Jack KZ5A

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Re: Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta firmware (4.36)

In reply to this post by Jack Brabham KZ5A

Having been born in Oklahoma and getting to Texas as soon as I could thereafter,
I'm not sure I could communicate by voice at 120 WPM ;o)

Seriously....

This topic has degenerated into a discussion about high speed CW operation
rather than the information in the original post. Some have even attacked the
ability other's to send CW.

Those of you who operate QRQ: Please agree to a frequency on 20m and go there
to fondle each other's knowledge and expertise regarding QRQ.

I personally like the QRQ addition because it allows me to hear other signals
while sending better than before, and I appreciate the work the guys at Elecraft
did that allow QRQ mode to be automatically turned on and off as needed.

On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:14:55 -0500, Jack Brabham <[hidden email]> wrote:

>I'm sure that the few dozen hams on the planet that operate CW at
>ridiculous speeds are thrilled by this otherwise meaningless update.
>
>I'd be more impressed if Elecraft could figure out how to make the K3
>handshake with an external auto-tuner, or if I could ask a basic
>question about setting the K3 up for AM and get more than the internet
>equivalent of a dumb look.
>
>73 Jack KZ5A
>
>
>On 4/28/2011 9:20 AM, Tommy wrote:
>> Sorry to hear about your Dad Hector. I certainly hope he is recovering well and will continue to do so.
>>
>> It is pretty obvious you are NOT a QRQ operator Hector. If you were, then you would know that, first, there are no computer CW copying programs that can copy CW at speeds much over about 60 wpm. They cant do it simply because at those speeds, it is very difficult for the programs to distinguish between the CW signal and typical atmospheric noise and noise crashes. Yes, there are some programs used by high security groups whose programs can copy CW in excess of 500 wpm, but I can assure you those programs are not available, and probably not affordable by the average ham. Your comments are very uninformed about the copying; I can tell you that I have had many QSOs around 120 wpm and all copy was ONLY by ear.
>>
>> Yes, we all use a keyboard/computer to send at speeds much over 70 wpm simply because it is impractical to try to send constantly spaced and formed letters/words with a bug or keyer of any kind. I have listened to you many times trying to send CW at higher speeds and (not being critical), your code was awful!
>>
>> Instead of being negative about QRQ, why dont you spend the time to learn how to copy CW at high speeds? Since the mid-70s it has provided me with a heck of a lot of enjoyment in my hobby.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Tom W4BQF
>>
>>
>> From: Hector Padron
>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:43 AM
>> To: Tommy Alderman
>> Cc: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta firmware (4.36)
>>
>>
>> To make a QSO at 96 wpm is not to make CW,simply you are an operator who types on a keyboard and then read the text over the screen when be replied.Real operators are the ones who by ears and by hand can TX/RX up to 60 or maybe 70.Those ones are the ones who deserve the merit.Using a software to contact some one at higher speeds is just a joke,sorry for this but been a high speed op all my life every time I hear guys at 90 or over make me feel I learned morse code for nothing when today anyone can be there pretending he/she is a good CW op.Thats far from the truth.
>> Shame they deleted the morse code off the tests to be an extra class,they should have keep it or at least create a new extra class for the guys who really deserve the merit of been fast op's.Unfortunately today bands are full of CW LIDS who don't let others operate properly when dxing.
>>
>>
>> AD4C
>>
>> "If freedom means something,it is the right to tell others what they don't want to hear" George Orwell
>>
>> From: Tommy Alderman<[hidden email]>
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 8:06 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta firmware (4.36)
>>
>> Gary,
>>
>> All it takes is a 'little' practice! [:>))
>>
>> I don't think QRQ actually has a definition? Just like QSK really does not
>> have a meaningful definition. In general I think QRQ (or high speed CW,
>> whichever) begins around 40 or 50 wpm - that is the 'easy' part. The
>> difficult part of learning QRQ is between about 50 and 60 wpm where you have
>> to completely re-learn how to copy CW. Full QSK, in my opinion, is a
>> requirement to get the full enjoyment of QSO'ing at speeds of 80 wpm and
>> better. It is one of the most fun part's if this hobby that I have found.
>> Unfortunately there just are not too many hams interested in putting in the
>> work to learn how to copy QRQ.
>>
>> My K3 puts out great sounding CW up to about 96 wpm. Try it, you probably
>> will enjoy it?
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Tom - W4BQF
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gary Gregory
>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:50 AM
>> To: Wayne Burdick
>> Cc: Elecraft Reflector
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta
>> firmware (4.36)
>>
>> Wayne,
>>
>> Is it true you have to be better than 19wpm to do QRQ?
>>
>> Grin
>>
>>
>> Oh if only...sigh
>>
>> I have tried it and it works but I had to cheat a Lil Bit ok?
>>
>> 73's
>> Gary
>>
>> On 28 April 2011 15:05, Wayne Burdick<[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> If you use QRQ mode (high-speed CW/ultra-fast break-in), you'll notice
>>> that the latest firmware provides a temporary solution to the problem
>>> of having to turn off QRQ mode in order to use SPLIT, RIT, or XIT.
>>> Previously, you had to turn QRQ mode off manually using the CONFIG:CW
>>> QRQ menu entry. Now, engaging any type of split will automatically
>>> turn QRQ mode off, then turn it back on once you've disabled all splits.
>>>
>>> We're still planning to allow limited-range RIT with QRQ mode turned
>>> on in a future firmware release. But several QRQ users had suggested
>>> this interim change. I use QRQ mode all the time, and I've found the
>>> change to be very convenient.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>>
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