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Has anyone done or seen a rig comparison of the K2 to the TenTec
Argonaut 516 TCXO? 73 Bill N2DH _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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> Has anyone done or seen a rig comparison of the K2 to the TenTec
> Argonaut 516 TCXO? ARRL QRP Columnist K8ZT did a comparison of a number of QRP rigs a while back. See <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2004/09/08/1/> Lab number comparisons are on the Elecraft website. See <http://www.elecraft.com/K2_perf.htm> The radios are *very* different. Which features are you wishing to see compared? 72, Lyle KK7P _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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TO THOSE WHO WANT TO COMPARE THE 516 AND THE K2/K1
BOTH THOSE RADIOS ARE VERY DIFFERENT BREED. ITS LIKE COMPARING APPLES TO ORANGES. NOW IF YOU COMPARE THE K2 WITH THE ORION, BOTH ARE IN THE SAME FIELD. GO TO THE ELECRAFT WEBSITE REGARDING COMPARISON ON THE RADIO SPECS ITSELF. Ron wb1hga (darn shift key :) _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I, for one, am glad I have a K2 instead of a Ten-Tec Argonaut, and for
at least one very specific reason. Well, morre than one, but at least one: Elecraft is committed to making their rigs as accessible to disabled ops as they can. Ten-Tec, on the other hand, seemed somewhat, shall we say, less than receptive to suggestions along this line. More accurately, one engineer there made some positive noises about it, but no one actually *did* anything about it. Seems to me that Ten-Tec has the perfect base to start from in this regard with a more-or-less completely software-defined radio, and some of the changes I suggested seemed to me that they'd be easy enough to implement, if not entirely in software, with pretty minimal changes. Nope, they didn't seem to give a rat's patooty about it. Seems they used to care about these things, but now...nothin...and I understand I'm not the only one who's brought these concerns up, either. Elecraft, on the other hand...KX1, KRC2, always taking and implementing suggestions. Need I say more? I've had several great dialogues, as have a couple other blind Elecraft users, with Jack Brindle and Elecraft Wayne, and I always left them feeling that not only were my suggestions actually listened to, they were taken seriously. I know that this is really an over-arching Elecraft philosophy, not just applying to accessibility, and that means a heck of a lot more to me than *any* lab numbers--which, BTW, Elecraft rigs also excel. :) Let's not even talk about the flexibility of the K2 and how it can be optioned (is that a word?) I'll tell you this: Elecraft will, so long as they're here, get my business! Vy 73, -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV | Alena Grace's proud papa! Phone: (814) 455-7333 | Born: 04/06/2000 in Donetsk, Ukraine Email: [hidden email] | Adopted: 10/07/2004 in Mariupol, Ukraine http://buddy.brannan.name | _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by William E. Twaddell
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 No comparisons to the 516, But shortly some local hams will be comparing The K2 against the 756 Pro3 The fellow buying the Pro3 has quite a set of Measurement tools, So it should be a fairly interesting test session to say the least. Will post the findings to the reflector when they have done All they will be doing. The K2 has been outfitted with everything except the DSP And the KPA100 I think. Will have a full spec run down after the tests 73 - ------------------------------------ John N5BSD www.N5BSD.Com Linux user #286770 Machine # 246511 http://counter.li.org - ------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.1 iQA/AwUBQcytvj4STIkCKSUlEQLtpQCeOh3npk9ani3ZEZ8k9+JHwADldmoAn1ez qkDzIH2FeaX2A+84FLYxKybY =0Zl5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by William E. Twaddell
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From: "William E. Twaddell" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 5:05 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Comparison > Has anyone done or seen a rig comparison of the K2 to the TenTec Argonaut > 516 TCXO? > 73 > Bill > N2DH Hi Bill, I use both and I must say the difference in rcvr performance is hard to distinguish by ear alone. I love 'em both but for most, I suspect, it probably just comes down to personal preference. I'm sure the K2 cleans the Argo V's clock when it comes to lab numbers tho. Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI FISTS #9384 QRP ARCI #11782 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I sold my Argo V to buy my K2. When W1AW was transmitting on 160M it would
pulse the AGC as far up as 15-17kHz from 1817.5. With my K2 I can copy weak sigs on 1819.0 with no QRM from W1AW. The Argo V has best freq display of any radio I've ever owned, makes a nice 10M FM radio, nice general coverage RX. Sadly Ten-Tec has said that the Argo is "finished" and that no new software updates are expected. No new features. Nada. The post here that says the 516 is in a different class from the K2 is absolutely right. My K2 holds its own against my Orion but put the Argo V to shame when the bands were crowded with contesters. Tom K2TA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bert Craig" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Comparison > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William E. Twaddell" <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 5:05 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] Comparison > > > > Has anyone done or seen a rig comparison of the K2 to the TenTec Argonaut > > 516 TCXO? > > 73 > > Bill > > N2DH > > Hi Bill, > > I use both and I must say the difference in rcvr performance is hard to > distinguish by ear alone. I love 'em both but for most, I suspect, it > probably just comes down to personal preference. I'm sure the K2 cleans > Argo V's clock when it comes to lab numbers tho. > > Vy 73 de Bert > WA2SI > FISTS #9384 > QRP ARCI #11782 > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Saturday 25 December 2004 17:51, Tom Althoff wrote:
> > The post here that says the 516 is in a different class from the K2 is > absolutely right. My K2 holds its own against my Orion but put the Argo > V to shame when the bands were crowded with contesters. > > Tom K2TA I noted with disappointement the shortcomings of the Argo V receiver. I posted a subjective (as in how it sounds and works, not lab numbers) comparison on my web page (http://w2agn.net/argoV.html). I made the mistake of making the observation on the "contesting.com" TenTec list and was summarily expelled from the list. -- John W2AGN http://w2agn.net _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Tom Althoff
Maybe someone could convince TenTec to release the firmware as open source,
and allow amateurs to experiment with the radio. Just a thought... 73! Dan KB6NU --------------------------------------------------------------------------- President, ARROW Comm. Assn. (www.w8pgw.org) ARRL MI Section Affiliated Club Coordinator CW Geek (FISTS #9342) Read my ham radio blog at www.blurty.com/~kb6nu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Althoff" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Comparison > > The Argo V has best freq display of any radio I've ever owned, makes a nice > 10M FM radio, nice general coverage RX. Sadly Ten-Tec has said that the > Argo is "finished" and that no new software updates are expected. No new > features. Nada. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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The information regarding Argonaut V is incorrect.
Ten Tec has just finished another production run of these fine radios. A new firmware version is available. Their firmware IS available for programmers to enable radio control from a pc. Ron wb1hga Dan writes: Maybe someone could convince TenTec to release the firmware as open source, and allow amateurs to experiment with the radio. Just a thought... AND: The Argo V has best freq display of any radio I've ever owned, makes a nice 10M FM radio, nice general coverage RX. Sadly Ten-Tec has said that the Argo is "finished" and that no new software updates are expected. No new features. Nada. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I don't see the new firmware on the official Ten-Tec firmware update site.
Where is it? As of 5 mins ago the rfsquared website is showing ver 1.07 dated 6/25/2003. My statement was based upon an e-mail directly from Ten-Tec where they stated that they consider the Argonaut a finished project, that a lot of work went into getting the firmware working right and that they were not going to muck with it to add a software notch filter etc. If I still have the e-mail I'll foward it to you. Of course...Ten-Tec is one of those odd-ball companies that instead of promising you something and never delivering it they swear they'll never give you someting (PTT CW on Orion, Mode A keying on the Orion, maybe an ArgoV firmware upgrade) and suddenly one day you get it. 8-) I was a member of the firmware beta testers and got to see the official line of thought. The company is concerned about locking in firmware ASAP. They see firmware updates as a sign of weakness in marketing. "They stll haven't gotten that radio right yet...look...there's yet another firmware fix" is what they are afraid people will think. I think they are wrong. 73 de Tom K2TA ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron" <[hidden email]> To: "'Dan KB6NU'" <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 9:46 AM Subject: [Elecraft] RE: FIRMWARE AVAILABILE > The information regarding Argonaut V is incorrect. > Ten Tec has just finished another production run of these fine radios. A new > firmware version is available. > Their firmware IS available for programmers to enable radio control from a > pc. > Ron wb1hga > > Dan writes: > Maybe someone could convince TenTec to release the firmware as open source, > and allow amateurs to experiment with the radio. Just a thought... > > > AND: > > The Argo V has best freq display of any radio I've ever owned, makes a > nice > 10M FM radio, nice general coverage RX. Sadly Ten-Tec has said that the > Argo is "finished" and that no new software updates are expected. No new > features. Nada. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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