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Bill-3

Competition from ICOM?

Icom is about to release their IC-7300 with rx from .03 to 74.8 mHz,
with a live display, auto tuner, 100 Watts, 15 included bandpass
filters, and a direct sampling receiver. All this for under $1500
street. I wonder how it will compare to the K3 in performance.

I am not looking to get an argument going on this - just stating what is
out there on the horizon. Who knows, it could turnout to be hangar queen
or a frequent flyer on UPS. That said, it sure looks like a lot of rig
for the buck.

Bill W2BLC K-Line

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N1EU

Re: Competition from ICOM?

I've been closely following the IC-7300 news because I'm a big fan of
direct sampling receivers. It's still too early to tell how well Icom will
pull it off. I really don't see it as being K3s competition, a more apt
comparison being TS-590 and FT-1200. Icom has been quite clear that
this will be an entry level radio only.

I suspect that compared to the K3s, the IC-7300 will fall short in terms of
dynamic range, QSK, etc.

73, Barry N1EU

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Bill <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Icom is about to release their IC-7300 with rx from .03 to 74.8 mHz, with
> a live display, auto tuner, 100 Watts, 15 included bandpass filters, and a
> direct sampling receiver. All this for under $1500 street. I wonder how it
> will compare to the K3 in performance.
>
> I am not looking to get an argument going on this - just stating what is
> out there on the horizon. Who knows, it could turnout to be hangar queen or
> a frequent flyer on UPS. That said, it sure looks like a lot of rig for the
> buck.
>
> Bill W2BLC K-Line
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Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS

Re: Competition from ICOM?

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Bill,

it seems to be different level. Nothing to compare to K3 I guess.
Will see...

73 - Petr, OK1RP

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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: Competition from ICOM?

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> I really don't see it as being K3s competition, a more apt comparison
> being TS-590 and FT-1200. Icom has been quite clear that this will be
> an entry level radio only.

I don't know that the TS-590 and FT-1200 are in the same class.

However, if the IC-7300 can pull off performance levels similar to the
TS-590S/TS-590SG it will be an outstanding "entry level" radio. Icom's
initial claims for phase noise look to be among some of the best of
any rig (close to that of the K3S/"new synthesizer") and I plan to look
very closely at the IC-7300 at Orlando this weekend to replace the old
IC-706mkIIg as my Icom CI-V "test subject."

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2/9/2016 10:26 AM, Barry N1EU wrote:

> I've been closely following the IC-7300 news because I'm a big fan of
> direct sampling receivers. It's still too early to tell how well Icom will
> pull it off. I really don't see it as being K3s competition, a more apt
> comparison being TS-590 and FT-1200. Icom has been quite clear that
> this will be an entry level radio only.
>
> I suspect that compared to the K3s, the IC-7300 will fall short in terms of
> dynamic range, QSK, etc.
>
> 73, Barry N1EU
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Bill <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Icom is about to release their IC-7300 with rx from .03 to 74.8 mHz, with
>> a live display, auto tuner, 100 Watts, 15 included bandpass filters, and a
>> direct sampling receiver. All this for under $1500 street. I wonder how it
>> will compare to the K3 in performance.
>>
>> I am not looking to get an argument going on this - just stating what is
>> out there on the horizon. Who knows, it could turnout to be hangar queen or
>> a frequent flyer on UPS. That said, it sure looks like a lot of rig for the
>> buck.
>>
>> Bill W2BLC K-Line
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vk2rq

Re: Competition from ICOM?

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If it only goes up to 74.8 mHz, then I don't think Elecraft has anything to worry about :-)
73, Matt VK2RQ

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Icom is about to release their IC-7300 with rx from .03 to 74.8 mHz,
with a live display, auto tuner, 100 Watts, 15 included bandpass
filters, and a direct sampling receiver. All this for under $1500
street. I wonder how it will compare to the K3 in performance.

I am not looking to get an argument going on this - just stating what is
out there on the horizon. Who knows, it could turnout to be hangar queen
or a frequent flyer on UPS. That said, it sure looks like a lot of rig
for the buck.

Bill W2BLC K-Line

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Drew AF2Z

Re: Competition from ICOM?

That's the 22 mega-meter band...

73,
Drew
AF2Z

On 02/09/16 13:38, Matt Maguire wrote:
> If it only goes up to 74.8 mHz, then I don't think Elecraft has anything to worry about :-)
> 73, Matt VK2RQ
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Bill-3

Re: Competition from ICOM?

The fact that I made a typo doe not effect the gist of the question. I
forgot - one has to be perfect to post here - otherwise all answers will
only knit pick the query and not address the question.

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Michael Cozzi

Re: Competition from ICOM?

Hi Bill,

Thanks for posting.

My hope is that the 7300 is an excellent radio- so that it drives
the price down for some of the radios I want to own. I'm not into the
knobbed radio tradition, so the 7300 isn't for me. But if it's great, we
might see a little price drop on other SDRs.

That's my taske. (woops)

Michael- KD8TUT

On 2/10/2016 6:57 AM, Bill wrote:

> The fact that I made a typo doe not effect the gist of the question. I
> forgot - one has to be perfect to post here - otherwise all answers
> will only knit pick the query and not address the question.
>
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Jerry Moore

Re: Competition from ICOM?

Regardless of the make/model/cost. I've not had a radio company yet to give
the quality and quantity of service that Elecraft has delivered to me
personally.
The day that radio costs get to the point of being disposable we'll see the
quality and quantity of support drop to primarily community and self help.

For me personally it's a pleasure to support Elecraft and their products
primarily because they are aggressive to engage me in resolving any issue I
may experience. I can't name any other company in my lifetime that's done
that.

Jerry Moore
CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists
AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB
An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and
Patriotic.

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Michael Cozzi
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 8:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Competition from ICOM?

Hi Bill,

Thanks for posting.

My hope is that the 7300 is an excellent radio- so that it drives the
price down for some of the radios I want to own. I'm not into the knobbed
radio tradition, so the 7300 isn't for me. But if it's great, we might see a
little price drop on other SDRs.

That's my taske. (woops)

Michael- KD8TUT

On 2/10/2016 6:57 AM, Bill wrote:

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Michael Cozzi

Re: Competition from ICOM?

Jerry,

So pleased you are happy with your purchase.

Michael- KD8TUT

On 2/10/2016 9:06 AM, Jerry Moore wrote:

> Regardless of the make/model/cost. I've not had a radio company yet to give
> the quality and quantity of service that Elecraft has delivered to me
> personally.
> The day that radio costs get to the point of being disposable we'll see the
> quality and quantity of support drop to primarily community and self help.
>
> For me personally it's a pleasure to support Elecraft and their products
> primarily because they are aggressive to engage me in resolving any issue I
> may experience. I can't name any other company in my lifetime that's done
> that.
>
> Jerry Moore
> CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists
> AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
> http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB
> An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and
> Patriotic.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Michael Cozzi
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 8:02 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Competition from ICOM?
>
>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Thanks for posting.
>
> My hope is that the 7300 is an excellent radio- so that it drives the
> price down for some of the radios I want to own. I'm not into the knobbed
> radio tradition, so the 7300 isn't for me. But if it's great, we might see a
> little price drop on other SDRs.
>
> That's my taske. (woops)
>
> Michael- KD8TUT
>
> On 2/10/2016 6:57 AM, Bill wrote:
>> The fact that I made a typo doe not effect the gist of the question. I
>> forgot - one has to be perfect to post here - otherwise all answers
>> will only knit pick the query and not address the question.
>>
>>
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Edward A. Dauer

Competition from ICOM?

In reply to this post by Bill-3

I agree fully with Jerry (his message below). Good service costs money, which can be supported only through service-based charges or product revenues. Including service costs in product pricing acts as a form of distributed-premium insurance for all of us. So, while in my view Elecraft products aren't cheap by any means, for me the net value has been and continues to be outstanding.

I also agree with Jerry's statement that this level of service is nearly unique. All around us consumer companies attempt to cast the service burden on the customer - self-checkout at supermarkets is one example, self-checkin at airline counters is another, pump-your-own gas, and so on. The apotheosis of this trend came for me when on a United Airlines flight the passengers were asked to clean out the seat back pockets to tidy the aircraft for the next flight of passengers. This, from an airline that no longer gives us peanuts (either literally or metaphorically.)

I remember a sign I once saw in a high-end telescope shop: "Buy the best first and cry only once." Amen.

Ted, KN1CBR

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Regardless of the make/model/cost. I've not had a radio company yet to give
the quality and quantity of service that Elecraft has delivered to me
personally.
The day that radio costs get to the point of being disposable we'll see the
quality and quantity of support drop to primarily community and self help.

For me personally it's a pleasure to support Elecraft and their products
primarily because they are aggressive to engage me in resolving any issue I
may experience. I can't name any other company in my lifetime that's done
that.

Jerry Moore
CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists
AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB

Edward A. Dauer
Dean Emeritus and Professor Emeritus of Law
University of Denver

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Jim Brown-10

Re: Competition from ICOM?

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On Wed,2/10/2016 5:01 AM, Michael Cozzi wrote:
> My hope is that the 7300 is an excellent radio- so that it drives the
> price down for some of the radios I want to own.

From my perspective, it seems like the cost of radios is driven
primarily by what it costs to build, sell, (and with some manufacturers,
support them). This is clearly Elecraft's biz philosophy -- prices are
determined by those costs, and Elecraft minimizes sales costs by selling
direct to as much of the world as practical.

Radios will get cheaper when they get cheaper to build and sell. That
can happen when new technology makes them less expensive to build, but
it can also happen as quality is reduced (the bottom of the barrel
Yaesu, ICOM, and direct sampling rigs are great examples).

My advice is that if you want to spend less for a rig, look for a top
quality used rig that's a generation or two old. My K3s were the first
new rigs I bought in nearly 30 years; prior to that, I used rigs like a
TS850, Omni V, and FT1000MP that I bought used, all for a fraction of
their initial cost. Today, a used TS590 would be a great choice, or if
you're a bit more flush, a used K3.

73, Jim K9YC
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Jerry Moore

Re: Competition from ICOM?

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Yep, I'm saving up for the subRX and 2 filters (2.8 upgrade and the 400hz).

Jerry Moore
CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists
AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB
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Patriotic.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 9:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Competition from ICOM?

Jerry,

So pleased you are happy with your purchase.

Michael- KD8TUT

On 2/10/2016 9:06 AM, Jerry Moore wrote:
> Regardless of the make/model/cost. I've not had a radio company yet to
> give the quality and quantity of service that Elecraft has delivered
> to me personally.
> The day that radio costs get to the point of being disposable we'll
> see the quality and quantity of support drop to primarily community and
self help.

>
> For me personally it's a pleasure to support Elecraft and their
> products primarily because they are aggressive to engage me in
> resolving any issue I may experience. I can't name any other company
> in my lifetime that's done that.
>
> Jerry Moore
> CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists
> AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
> http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB
> An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced,
> and Patriotic.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Michael Cozzi
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 8:02 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Competition from ICOM?
>
>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Thanks for posting.
>
> My hope is that the 7300 is an excellent radio- so that it
> drives the price down for some of the radios I want to own. I'm not
> into the knobbed radio tradition, so the 7300 isn't for me. But if
> it's great, we might see a little price drop on other SDRs.
>
> That's my taske. (woops)
>
> Michael- KD8TUT
>
> On 2/10/2016 6:57 AM, Bill wrote:
>> The fact that I made a typo doe not effect the gist of the question.
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Bill Frantz

Re: Competition from ICOM?

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I will add, that the KX3 is a really good value for a $1600
(kit) radio. (Filter, tuner, battery, Key & Mic included, but no
2M option.) But going to 100W does drive up the price quite a bit.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 2/10/16 at 9:50 AM, [hidden email] (Jim Brown) wrote:

>My advice is that if you want to spend less for a rig, look for
>a top quality used rig that's a generation or two old. My K3s
>were the first new rigs I bought in nearly 30 years; prior to
>that, I used rigs like a TS850, Omni V, and FT1000MP that I
>bought used, all for a fraction of their initial cost. Today, a
>used TS590 would be a great choice, or if you're a bit more
>flush, a used K3.

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