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N5CQ

Learning Curve of K3

Pet Peeve Alert: A steep Learning curve is a good thing!

A steep learning curve means that you acquire each 'unit' of knowledge (the
"rise") in a short time (the "run"), which is good (rise/run = a large
number means you are gaining lots knowledge in a short time). A shallow
learning curve means that each unit of knowledge takes longer to acquire.
Steep in this context does not equal difficult, like climbing a hill! It's
just the opposite!

IMHO the K3 is about average in terms to difficulty of its learning curve.
The control layout is very logical, but it takes a while to get the right
"muscle memory" and get used to the press versus hold routine, and the long
hold for some functions. I found myself rapidly knowing what I wanted to do,
but still not rapidly finding the right control on the panel until I had
used it many times. Also, I find the menus are easy to access, but sometimes
it is hard to remember what setting does what you want to do, especially on
some of the involved options.

But overall, I am very happy.

73 John N5CQ

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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: Considering a K3

In reply to this post by NK7Z

Dave,

Elecraft is in good financial shape and is *not* running on borrowed money.
Consider also that Elecraft still sells and supports every product that
they have developed, and that includes their first product, the K2 first
available in 1999. I am certain the K3 will be around for a very long
time too.

So other than a natural disaster that would completely wipe out the
Watsonville area and much around it as well, I can forsee no reason for
Elecraft to go away. Even a total natural disaster in the Watsonville
area would not likely to shut things down for long - the
engineering/development staff is spread out over a lot of the US and
communicate via email and other internet methods, and the support staff
is similar. That indicates to me that any interruption would be
temporary, and more likely only result in a slowdown while Watsonville
would recover quickly.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/5/2014 1:09 PM, David Cole wrote:
> Hi Robers,
> Thanks for the nice overview, Is there any issue you might be aware of
> that might cause Elecraft to cease production of the K3, or go away as a
> company?
>

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W2RMS

Re: Considering a K3

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Hi Dave!
A few months before i bought my K3 i bought the K3 book by KE7X.
That is probably the main reason that i subsequently bought the rig.

Slava, W2RMS

On Apr 5, 2014, at 11:58 AM, David Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Can anyone point me at some resources to better understand why I want a
> K3, as opposed to keeping my Icom 756 Pro III? I am considering the
> purchase of a K3/100, I saw a presentation on it at our club meeting,
> liked what I saw very much and would like to get more input from people
> actually using the rig.
>
> I am doing the due diligence part of a new rig purchase here, and am
> looking for just about any input regarding the K3.
>
> So far I have spent a number of hours looking at everything on the net I
> can find for the rig.
>
> What initially caught my eye is the blocking specs... Something like
> 140 db! I have 4 active hams living within 1/2 mile of me, and while
> the Pro III works well, I can tell from de-sense that others are on when
> one of them operates. The band scope of the PRO III will show an
> increased base line across the entire scope... All 4 run a KW.
>
> The blocking specs alone may be enough to force the switch, but, I am
> wondering if anyone has gotten a K3 running with MixW, how easy is it to
> point and click tune the rig via a PC interface, etc., do you like the
> rig, etc. If you have used a 756 PRO III, and switched to the K3, I
> would be very interested in contacting you via phone to discuss your
> thoughts on the K3.
>
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NK7Z

Re: Considering a K3

Hi,

Thanks for the tip, I just ordered it.
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On Sat, 2014-04-05 at 15:03 -0400, Slava Baytalskiy wrote:

> Hi Dave!
> A few months before i bought my K3 i bought the K3 book by KE7X.
> That is probably the main reason that i subsequently bought the rig.
>
> Slava, W2RMS
>
> On Apr 5, 2014, at 11:58 AM, David Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Can anyone point me at some resources to better understand why I want a
> > K3, as opposed to keeping my Icom 756 Pro III? I am considering the
> > purchase of a K3/100, I saw a presentation on it at our club meeting,
> > liked what I saw very much and would like to get more input from people
> > actually using the rig.
> >
> > I am doing the due diligence part of a new rig purchase here, and am
> > looking for just about any input regarding the K3.
> >
> > So far I have spent a number of hours looking at everything on the net I
> > can find for the rig.
> >
> > What initially caught my eye is the blocking specs... Something like
> > 140 db! I have 4 active hams living within 1/2 mile of me, and while
> > the Pro III works well, I can tell from de-sense that others are on when
> > one of them operates. The band scope of the PRO III will show an
> > increased base line across the entire scope... All 4 run a KW.
> >
> > The blocking specs alone may be enough to force the switch, but, I am
> > wondering if anyone has gotten a K3 running with MixW, how easy is it to
> > point and click tune the rig via a PC interface, etc., do you like the
> > rig, etc. If you have used a 756 PRO III, and switched to the K3, I
> > would be very interested in contacting you via phone to discuss your
> > thoughts on the K3.
> >
> > --
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> > at Whitehouse.gov
> >
> > http://wh.gov/lpz5Y
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> >
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Johnny Siu

Learning Curve of K3

In reply to this post by N5CQ

Yes, John, I agree with you. A steep learning curve gives me the drive to learn. I did read the manual of K3 and the KE7X's book from cover to cover so as to learn every bit of K3.

The kit assembly process (not building since no soldering) also gives me the chance to know the architecture of the radio.

From time to time, I still need to go back to KE7X's book for referencing.

73

Johnny Vr2XMC

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傳送日期︰ 2014年04月6日 (週日) 2:26 AM
主題︰ [Elecraft] Learning Curve of K3

Pet Peeve Alert: A steep Learning curve is a good thing!

A steep learning curve means that you acquire each 'unit' of knowledge (the
"rise") in a short time (the "run"), which is good (rise/run = a large
number means you are gaining lots knowledge in a short time). A shallow
learning curve means that each unit of knowledge takes longer to acquire.
Steep in this context does not equal difficult, like climbing a hill! It's
just the opposite!

IMHO the K3 is about average in terms to difficulty of its learning curve.
The control layout is very logical, but it takes a while to get the right
"muscle memory" and get used to the press versus hold routine, and the long
hold for some functions. I found myself rapidly knowing what I wanted to do,
but still not rapidly finding the right control on the panel until I had
used it many times. Also, I find the menus are easy to access, but sometimes
it is hard to remember what setting does what you want to do, especially on
some of the involved options.

But overall, I am very happy.

73 John N5CQ

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Oliver Dröse

Re: Considering a K3

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Don is certainly right. But what I've been wondering already is what
will happen to Elecraft if Wayne & Eric will retire? I know there's a
real great crew at Elecraft now but hey, they are the master minds,
aren't they? ;-)

73, Olli

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Am 05.04.2014 20:40, schrieb Don Wilhelm:

> Dave,
>
> Elecraft is in good financial shape and is *not* running on borrowed
> money.
> Consider also that Elecraft still sells and supports every product
> that they have developed, and that includes their first product, the
> K2 first available in 1999. I am certain the K3 will be around for a
> very long time too.
>
> So other than a natural disaster that would completely wipe out the
> Watsonville area and much around it as well, I can forsee no reason
> for Elecraft to go away. Even a total natural disaster in the
> Watsonville area would not likely to shut things down for long - the
> engineering/development staff is spread out over a lot of the US and
> communicate via email and other internet methods, and the support
> staff is similar. That indicates to me that any interruption would be
> temporary, and more likely only result in a slowdown while Watsonville
> would recover quickly.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 4/5/2014 1:09 PM, David Cole wrote:
>> Hi Robers,
>> Thanks for the nice overview, Is there any issue you might be aware of
>> that might cause Elecraft to cease production of the K3, or go away as a
>> company?
>>
>
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Johnny Siu

Considering a K3

Hi Oliver.

Succession is always a problem for a company which needs 'creativity'. Wayne, a clever and brilliant engineer, and Eric, an excellent marketing profession, are the key personnel.

I trust there is still some time and no immediate hurry for them to think about succession.

Anyway, I don't want the current situation with Apple happens in Elecraft.

73

Johnny Vr2XMC

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傳送日期︰ 2014年04月6日 (週日) 7:22 AM
主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] Considering a K3

Don is certainly right. But what I've been wondering already is what
will happen to Elecraft if Wayne & Eric will retire? I know there's a
real great crew at Elecraft now but hey, they are the master minds,
aren't they? ;-)

73, Olli

Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de/

Am 05.04.2014 20:40, schrieb Don Wilhelm:

> Dave,
>
> Elecraft is in good financial shape and is *not* running on borrowed
> money.
> Consider also that Elecraft still sells and supports every product
> that they have developed, and that includes their first product, the
> K2 first available in 1999. I am certain the K3 will be around for a
> very long time too.
>
> So other than a natural disaster that would completely wipe out the
> Watsonville area and much around it as well, I can forsee no reason
> for Elecraft to go away. Even a total natural disaster in the
> Watsonville area would not likely to shut things down for long - the
> engineering/development staff is spread out over a lot of the US and
> communicate via email and other internet methods, and the support
> staff is similar. That indicates to me that any interruption would be
> temporary, and more likely only result in a slowdown while Watsonville
> would recover quickly.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 4/5/2014 1:09 PM, David Cole wrote:
>> Hi Robers,
>> Thanks for the nice overview, Is there any issue you might be aware of
>> that might cause Elecraft to cease production of the K3, or go away as a
>> company?
>>
>
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Phil Hystad-3

Re: Considering a K3

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The trick is to be older than either Wayne and Eric. I am older than both of them so no worries on my part. Besides, I am already retired and I am pretty sure that neither Wayne nor Eric are thinking of retiring in the next couple of years.

If that happens though, there are so many excellent resources on this forum that I am not concerned at all. In the worst case, if Elecraft disappeared tomorrow and all my Elecraft gear vaporized instantly like something from The Twilight Zone, there are always other second tier vendors out there.

73, phil, K7PEH

On Apr 5, 2014, at 4:22 PM, Oliver Dröse <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Don is certainly right. But what I've been wondering already is what will happen to Elecraft if Wayne & Eric will retire? I know there's a real great crew at Elecraft now but hey, they are the master minds, aren't they? ;-)
>
> 73, Olli
>
> Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de
>
>
> Am 05.04.2014 20:40, schrieb Don Wilhelm:
>> Dave,
>>
>> Elecraft is in good financial shape and is *not* running on borrowed money.
>> Consider also that Elecraft still sells and supports every product that they have developed, and that includes their first product, the K2 first available in 1999. I am certain the K3 will be around for a very long time too.
>>
>> So other than a natural disaster that would completely wipe out the Watsonville area and much around it as well, I can forsee no reason for Elecraft to go away. Even a total natural disaster in the Watsonville area would not likely to shut things down for long - the engineering/development staff is spread out over a lot of the US and communicate via email and other internet methods, and the support staff is similar. That indicates to me that any interruption would be temporary, and more likely only result in a slowdown while Watsonville would recover quickly.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 4/5/2014 1:09 PM, David Cole wrote:
>>> Hi Robers,
>>> Thanks for the nice overview, Is there any issue you might be aware of
>>> that might cause Elecraft to cease production of the K3, or go away as a
>>> company?
>>>
>>
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Phil Wheeler-2

Re: Considering a K3

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They planned the creation and evolution of
Elecraft over the last 15 years very well. I
suspect they've done some succession planning,
too. Anyway, I'm not too concerned: Wayne is a tad
over 20 years younger than I :-)

73, Phil W7OX

On 4/5/14, 4:22 PM, Oliver Dröse wrote:

>
> Don is certainly right. But what I've been
> wondering already is what will happen to
> Elecraft if Wayne & Eric will retire? I know
> there's a real great crew at Elecraft now but
> hey, they are the master minds, aren't they? ;-)
>
> 73, Olli
>
> Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de
>
>
> Am 05.04.2014 20:40, schrieb Don Wilhelm:
>> Dave,
>>
>> Elecraft is in good financial shape and is
>> *not* running on borrowed money.
>> Consider also that Elecraft still sells and
>> supports every product that they have
>> developed, and that includes their first
>> product, the K2 first available in 1999. I am
>> certain the K3 will be around for a very long
>> time too.
>>
>> So other than a natural disaster that would
>> completely wipe out the Watsonville area and
>> much around it as well, I can forsee no reason
>> for Elecraft to go away. Even a total natural
>> disaster in the Watsonville area would not
>> likely to shut things down for long - the
>> engineering/development staff is spread out
>> over a lot of the US and communicate via email
>> and other internet methods, and the support
>> staff is similar. That indicates to me that
>> any interruption would be temporary, and more
>> likely only result in a slowdown while
>> Watsonville would recover quickly.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 4/5/2014 1:09 PM, David Cole wrote:
>>> Hi Robers,
>>> Thanks for the nice overview, Is there any
>>> issue you might be aware of
>>> that might cause Elecraft to cease production
>>> of the K3, or go away as a
>>> company?
>>>
>>

NK7Z

Re: Learning Curve of K3

In reply to this post by Johnny Siu

I just ordered KE7X's book, and will use it to help me understand how to
configure my order for a rig. Based on all the positive reports, here,
and in many private emails, I will be ordering a fully loaded K3
shortly. I am a firm believer in user base support, and my God this
radio has that! It is good to see! :) Next step is to figure out which
filters to order... :)

Learning curve does not scare me at all, in fact it just means that
there are a lot of things to understand!

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On Sun, 2014-04-06 at 07:18 +0800, Johnny Siu wrote:

> Yes, John, I agree with you. A steep learning curve gives me the drive to learn. I did read the manual of K3 and the KE7X's book from cover to cover so as to learn every bit of K3.
>
> The kit assembly process (not building since no soldering) also gives me the chance to know the architecture of the radio.
>
> From time to time, I still need to go back to KE7X's book for referencing.
>
> 73
>
> Johnny Vr2XMC
>
>
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> 傳送日期︰ 2014年04月6日 (週日) 2:26 AM
> 主題︰ [Elecraft] Learning Curve of K3
>
>
> Pet Peeve Alert: A steep Learning curve is a good thing!
>
> A steep learning curve means that you acquire each 'unit' of knowledge (the
> "rise") in a short time (the "run"), which is good (rise/run = a large
> number means you are gaining lots knowledge in a short time). A shallow
> learning curve means that each unit of knowledge takes longer to acquire.
> Steep in this context does not equal difficult, like climbing a hill! It's
> just the opposite!
>
> IMHO the K3 is about average in terms to difficulty of its learning curve.
> The control layout is very logical, but it takes a while to get the right
> "muscle memory" and get used to the press versus hold routine, and the long
> hold for some functions. I found myself rapidly knowing what I wanted to do,
> but still not rapidly finding the right control on the panel until I had
> used it many times. Also, I find the menus are easy to access, but sometimes
> it is hard to remember what setting does what you want to do, especially on
> some of the involved options.
>
> But overall, I am very happy.
>
> 73 John N5CQ
>
>
>
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Tighe Kuykendall

Re: Considering a K3

In reply to this post by NK7Z

David,

I ran an Icom 756 Pro III prior to purchasing my K3. I really liked the
ProIII, but some things that come to mind about my decision roughly
1.5yr ago are:

- Repair on the ProIII would have been difficult as compared to the K3
where I built the kit and am comfortable swapping parts. I had started
to worry about the TFT display on the ProIII and how I would replace it.

- P3 with the SVGA option is great on an external monitor. Much more
readable and configurable than the scope on the ProIII.

- Elecraft products are made in the USA and they still provide parts for
their old radios. I visited their office and toured the production
area. I was really impressed with how welcoming they were. I got see
and try a K-line prior to purchasing.

- K3 is user upgradeable for both firmware and accessories. You can
grow the radio as you choose. Not so with the ProIII.

- Filters on the K3 and the ability to easily add/change/upgrade filters
easily.

I'm fortunate to not have any active hams, running a KW at least, real
close that cause me issues. Or maybe I just don't notice. My K3
performs excellent and works great with my Heil PR-781 and footswitch I
had used with the ProIII. Also worked well with my AL-80B before I
switched to the KPA500.

As for learning the new radio, I had no issues. My opinion is that the
menus are laid out well and there are just enough buttons/knobs for the
things I use. I rarely find myself fiddling with settings. I'm a
simple person so I'm sure I don't leverage all of the capabilities of my
K3. But it works very well for me.

Between the Elecraft utilities for controlling my KPA500 and the rig
control offered to me through my logging software, I can operate without
touching the K3/KPA500. I do find myself pushing buttons and using the
knob on the P3.

I have no regrets and am extremely happy with my transition.

Tighe
NK4I

On 4/5/14, 11:58 AM, David Cole wrote:

Jim Low man

Re: Learning Curve of K3

In reply to this post by NK7Z

There is a link, either on the order form in the filter section, or
elsewhere in the Elecraft website, that discusses the best filters to
order, given your operating preferences.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 4/5/2014 6:00 PM, David Cole wrote:

> I just ordered KE7X's book, and will use it to help me understand how to
> configure my order for a rig. Based on all the positive reports, here,
> and in many private emails, I will be ordering a fully loaded K3
> shortly. I am a firm believer in user base support, and my God this
> radio has that! It is good to see! :) Next step is to figure out which
> filters to order... :)
>
> Learning curve does not scare me at all, in fact it just means that
> there are a lot of things to understand!
>

Don Wilhelm-4

Re: Learning Curve of K3

In reply to this post by N5CQ

John,

While the K3 has a steep learning curve for the menu setup items, once
that is accomplished, it is easy for a guest operator to sit down in
front of the K3 and with only a brief introduction to "which does what",
he can successfully operate the K3. I have seen it happen several times
at Field Day.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/5/2014 2:26 PM, John Langdon wrote:

> Pet Peeve Alert: A steep Learning curve is a good thing!
>
> A steep learning curve means that you acquire each 'unit' of knowledge (the
> "rise") in a short time (the "run"), which is good (rise/run = a large
> number means you are gaining lots knowledge in a short time). A shallow
> learning curve means that each unit of knowledge takes longer to acquire.
> Steep in this context does not equal difficult, like climbing a hill! It's
> just the opposite!
>
> IMHO the K3 is about average in terms to difficulty of its learning curve.
> The control layout is very logical, but it takes a while to get the right
> "muscle memory" and get used to the press versus hold routine, and the long
> hold for some functions. I found myself rapidly knowing what I wanted to do,
> but still not rapidly finding the right control on the panel until I had
> used it many times. Also, I find the menus are easy to access, but sometimes
> it is hard to remember what setting does what you want to do, especially on
> some of the involved options.
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