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Re: 756ProIII vs K3

NK7Z
Send me a photo when finished!
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On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 22:14 -0700, Phil Hystad wrote:

> Actually, I am in the slow process of rebuilding an Eico 720 right now.  I am doing from scratch with all new parts except for the transformers, switches and inductors.  I am even putting new tube sockets in the chassis and also new terminal strips.  I am still in the process of collecting everything before I start.  I have two Eico 720s from which I am starting.  I think one of them was a factory built unit because a number of parts like tube sockets and the modulator socket on the rear as well as the VFO switch on the back were mounted with rivets rather than pan head screws and nuts.  
>
> It is a slow background project though.  But, I do have some 40-meter crystals all ready for when it is finished.
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
>
>
> On Apr 13, 2014, at 9:26 PM, Milt -- N5IA <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Boy, you guys were in HIGH cotton with those great receivers!!!!
> >
> > I built my Eico 720 in 1960 but all I could afford for a RX was a National NC-60.  I later added a home brew Q-multiplier to the NC-60 and that was my station until 1965.
> >
> > MEMORIES!!!!!!
> >
> > Now it is K-3's forever.
> >
> > 73 de Milt, N5IA
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Phil Hystad
> > Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 8:30 PM
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Cc: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 756ProIII vs K3
> >
> > And, better than my HQ-170AC and Eico 720 circa '60s.
> >
> >
> > On Apr 13, 2014, at 7:50 PM, David Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >> I know it must be better than the old HQ-110, and Eico 720!  :)
> >> --
> >> Thanks and 73's,
> >> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> >> www.nk7z.net
> >> for MixW support see;
> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> >> for Dopplergram information see:
> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
> >> for MM-SSTV see:
> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 18:44 -0700, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> >>> David, my K3 is very new (#8004) and it's the best
> >>> rig I've owned in 60 years at this hobby (of
> >>> course, those in the early years weren't even
> >>> close -- first was a converted WWII Arc-V pair,
> >>> heavily converted).
> >>>
> >>> You will love it, I predict.
> >>>
> >>> 73, Phil w7ox
> >>>
> >>> On 4/13/14, 6:33 PM, David Cole wrote:
> >>>> That is what I wanted to hear, I bought teh K3 because of the filters...
> >>>> I am glad to see someone saying something positive them!  THANK YOU!
> >>>
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Re: David Cole...756ProIII vs K3

Gerry Hull
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​My history with amateur radio is that I typically "rent" gear -- what I
mean is I purchase gear new, use it for one or two years, and sell it.
 That way, I get to experience the latest gear without busting the bank
completely.
That has changed since I got my K3.

I'm a contester, CW mostly.   Typically in multi-op stations with big
antennas, amps etc.  So bone-crushing to eme-level signals are the norm.  I
agree with many here that Sherwood has captured a  lot of good data about
receiver performance.  If you want to be a competitive contester or DXer,
your receiver performance is the #1 issue.  Taking a listen doing a couple
of comparisons does not tell a story.  Make sure you understand the tests
that are being described.

I had the FT1KMP and MK5 for a while.   These were the standard for a long
time.  However, the out-of-band, key-click and phase noise issues are
pretty bad.  As was talked about here, the Icom ProII/ III are really good
receivers, but not with out-of-passband spurious products.  Like what was
mentioned by another poster, you never feel you are by yourself with a Pro
III in a contest -- always all kinds of pops an squeaks from out of band
signals.

I think the ergonomic differences between Icom an Elecraft are really not
that great.  They both use single-button overloaded functionality (tap,
single push, push and hold) to provide various functions.  Rather than wrap
things
into the display (limited space), careful labeling on the panel make if
(fairly clear) what is going on.  The comments I get from many older
friends is they don't like this mode of operation.  One friend went out and
bought the 5000 because he did not like the K3 human interface.  Well, he
is selling the 5000.  The K3 receiver, in his opinion, destroys the Yaesu. ​

The reason I'm not going to just "rent" my K3 -- it will be my radio for
the foreseeable future -- goes far beyond the technical performance of the
radio.   It's the intangibles.   The Elecraft team are operators,  They get
it.  They understand who we are and what we want.  They react to our input.
 Have you ever seen a the KIY guys ever react to what the market wants, in
a timely manner?  I don't think so.

I am setting up Remote with some friends -- we had some really strange
issues.  Brandon from Elecraft got on Skype with me from his home, on a
Saturday, to help me diagnose an issue.  What company does that?

I know I'm preaching to the choir on this reflector.  However, when talking
about radios, you cannot leave these details out.  It's what sets Elecraft
in a completely different league from the competition.

73,  Gerry

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On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Dr. William J. Schmidt, II <
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> There are additional aspects of these comparisons that are not often
> discussed.
>
> The ergonomics of the two radios are vastly different... and rightly so
> given their history.  The Icom has had many more generations of radios to
> improve the look, feel and operation of the radio.  After owning and
> operating both, I find that both have adequate controls places
> appropriately... both radios could improve the menus (cryptic at times).
>
> The other aspect, which is sort of an elephant in the room is the repair
> histories and the way repairs are handled by the respective companies.
>  I've never had a repair issue with my PRO III, although I have sent my
> 7800's back for service twice.  It this case the radios sat in a queue at
> ICOM repair depot waiting for their turn to get fixed.  Several weeks later
> the radios arrived without any warning, to sit out on my doorstep awaiting
> my arrival home.  In contrast, I've had three issues with my K3... all
> three were diagnosed over the phone with tech support and parts shipped to
> me for install and immediate correction of the issues.  While the K3 record
> on failures seems a bit higher than the Icom, the relative ease of
> troubleshooting and repair for a person like me (will full lab/ repair
> capabilities) is a wonder.
>
> Neither of these things should be missed when contemplating a new radio.
>
>
> Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ / J68HZ/ 8P6HK/ ZF2HZ/ PJ4HZ/ VP5HZ
>
> Owner - Operator
> Big Signal Ranch
> Staunton, Illinois
>
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Re: 756ProIII vs K3

Phil Hystad-3
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I should send you a photo of my starting position -- still need to finish cleaning the chassis.

73, phil


On Apr 14, 2014, at 5:01 AM, David Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Send me a photo when finished!
> --
> Thanks and 73's,
> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> www.nk7z.net
> for MixW support see;
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> for Dopplergram information see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
> for MM-SSTV see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
>
>
> On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 22:14 -0700, Phil Hystad wrote:
>> Actually, I am in the slow process of rebuilding an Eico 720 right now.  I am doing from scratch with all new parts except for the transformers, switches and inductors.  I am even putting new tube sockets in the chassis and also new terminal strips.  I am still in the process of collecting everything before I start.  I have two Eico 720s from which I am starting.  I think one of them was a factory built unit because a number of parts like tube sockets and the modulator socket on the rear as well as the VFO switch on the back were mounted with rivets rather than pan head screws and nuts.  
>>
>> It is a slow background project though.  But, I do have some 40-meter crystals all ready for when it is finished.
>>
>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>>
>>
>> On Apr 13, 2014, at 9:26 PM, Milt -- N5IA <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Boy, you guys were in HIGH cotton with those great receivers!!!!
>>>
>>> I built my Eico 720 in 1960 but all I could afford for a RX was a National NC-60.  I later added a home brew Q-multiplier to the NC-60 and that was my station until 1965.
>>>
>>> MEMORIES!!!!!!
>>>
>>> Now it is K-3's forever.
>>>
>>> 73 de Milt, N5IA
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Phil Hystad
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 8:30 PM
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Cc: [hidden email]
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 756ProIII vs K3
>>>
>>> And, better than my HQ-170AC and Eico 720 circa '60s.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 13, 2014, at 7:50 PM, David Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know it must be better than the old HQ-110, and Eico 720!  :)
>>>> --
>>>> Thanks and 73's,
>>>> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
>>>> www.nk7z.net
>>>> for MixW support see;
>>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
>>>> for Dopplergram information see:
>>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
>>>> for MM-SSTV see:
>>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 18:44 -0700, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>>>>> David, my K3 is very new (#8004) and it's the best
>>>>> rig I've owned in 60 years at this hobby (of
>>>>> course, those in the early years weren't even
>>>>> close -- first was a converted WWII Arc-V pair,
>>>>> heavily converted).
>>>>>
>>>>> You will love it, I predict.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73, Phil w7ox
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/13/14, 6:33 PM, David Cole wrote:
>>>>>> That is what I wanted to hear, I bought teh K3 because of the filters...
>>>>>> I am glad to see someone saying something positive them!  THANK YOU!
>>>>>
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Re: 756ProIII vs K3

W7CS
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I got my license it seems like, even before Col. Sanders was even a
Corporal.   At the end of my sophomore year in Tucson High School, I
worked all summer, with my cousin, in the crops in the Salem OR.
area.   I managed to save up enough money to buy a new NC 173
receiver, which was a new National model then.  I'm not sure that was
too good of an idea, as my buddies were buying used HQ 129s and had
money left over to get  Millen Exciters, with an 807 final.

My first TX was built from parts of an old broadcast radio, and was
only a bare 6V6 xtal oscillator, literally on a slab of wood(bread
board).  I think that I attached a non resonate long wire to the top
of the output coil, for 80 and 40 meters.  Tuning was via a light
bulb in series with the antenna lead !  Talk about a QRP signal !

73,  Chuck, now W7CS

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Re: David Cole...756ProIII vs K3

Doug Person-3
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I have owned the original 756, the Pro, ProII and the ProIII.  I now own
the IC-7600.  Despite having a better receiver, I still prefer the
ProIII.  Perhaps one of the best all around radios I've ever owned.

The K-Line remains my main station, with the K2 on 1 side and the KX3 on
the other. If I hadn't invested some my of retirement funds into the
K-Line I would have been perfectly happy with the ProIII.

I have also spent a few weeks with the FTdx-3000 and the FTdx-1200. Both
wonderful radios.  The K3, with a full stack of filters, is the best
receiver I've ever had the pleasure to listen to.  After a few contests,
you will really understand how the K3 RX shines.

Every once in a while, I move all the Elecraft gear into the storage
room and setup one of the Big-Three rigs along with a decent Ameritron
amp.  I always conclude: they are all good radios and you can certainly
enjoy the hobby to fullest measure with any of them.

But....  the K3, once you pass up the learning curve, does everything in
a very sensible way.  Like maybe it was designed by people who really
understand why some of us sit in front of a radio for hours.  I really
enjoy checking out the latest and best from Japan.  They all have their
strengths - fascinating and usable interfaces.  The receivers are
getting better and better.

I'm just always drawn back to the K3 because it works the way I think.  
When all 4 units are online and slaved together, there is nothing that
is easier or works better.

I think it is a rare person that does conclude that the K3 is a serious
keeper.

73, Doug -- K0DXV

On 4/13/2014 11:20 AM, David Cole wrote:

> Hi Fred,
> I only trust exact apples to apples comparisons...
>
> A few miles can make a bit difference in props.  I will do an A/B with
> my Pro3, using everything the same, antenna, feedline, etc.  I will keep
> the rig that performs better.
>
> I have an interesting mix of conditions...  20 is very quiet and has
> almost no noise on it, while 40 is filled with QRM.  It will be
> interesting to see what happens.
>

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Re: 756ProIII vs K3

Doug Person-3
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In 1964 I had the same setup: HQ-170A, Eico 720 and a VFO.  In those
days, the HQ-170 was like science fiction come true for me. It was
wonderful stuff.  But, one day, I visited another ham who had just
gotten a Drake 'B' line.  Don't remember what year it was.  But I was
very impressed.  I think, even today, the 'B' line would be a very
usable pair of rigs.  Because of them, I owned a 'C' line for many years
with every modification I could find for them. Eventually, someone
offered me a price that made me gasp.  I turned that money into a 756-Pro.

I too tend to "rent" rigs.  I have a closet full right now.  I doubt any
of them will see anymore desk time.  I've proven to myself over and over
that the K3 is the real keeper.  Until there's a K4, I doubt anything
else will ever be front and center on my desk.

73, Doug -- K0DXV

On 4/14/2014 12:56 AM, Richard S. Leary wrote:

> Nostalgia trip. Built my Eico 720 in 62, but splurged with an HQ-170A rcvr.
> After spending around 5 hours a day (average) for 6 1/2 years doing CW
> intercept, spinning the knobs on an SP-600, Hammarlund seemed a good way to
> go.
> Still have a couple of 40 mtr xtals for the 720. The big jump was the VFO
> for the 720. Went from the 720 to Heathkit SB-300/400, to Collins 75s3/32s3,
> to Kenwood TS870S, then to presently the K3/100, KPA500, and P3 (all kits,
> and no hardware/software failures, except those of the operator induced
> kind.). I would have loved a K3 during my intercept days. Ever try changing
> bands from 10m to say 40m or 80m on an R-390. Not my idea of "fun". Sounds
> like a few Keesler "Thompson Hall" folks out there. Right Fred.
> OK, enough OT. Thanks for the memories. Good luck on that 720 Phil.
> 73,
> Rick, W7LKG
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad
> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 22:14
> To: Milt -- N5IA
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 756ProIII vs K3
>
> Actually, I am in the slow process of rebuilding an Eico 720 right now.  I
> am doing from scratch with all new parts except for the transformers,
> switches and inductors.  I am even putting new tube sockets in the chassis
> and also new terminal strips.  I am still in the process of collecting
> everything before I start.  I have two Eico 720s from which I am starting.
> I think one of them was a factory built unit because a number of parts like
> tube sockets and the modulator socket on the rear as well as the VFO switch
> on the back were mounted with rivets rather than pan head screws and nuts.
>
> It is a slow background project though.  But, I do have some 40-meter
> crystals all ready for when it is finished.
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
>
>
> On Apr 13, 2014, at 9:26 PM, Milt -- N5IA <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Boy, you guys were in HIGH cotton with those great receivers!!!!
>>
>> I built my Eico 720 in 1960 but all I could afford for a RX was a National
> NC-60.  I later added a home brew Q-multiplier to the NC-60 and that was my
> station until 1965.
>> MEMORIES!!!!!!
>>
>> Now it is K-3's forever.
>>
>> 73 de Milt, N5IA
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Phil Hystad
>> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 8:30 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Cc: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 756ProIII vs K3
>>
>> And, better than my HQ-170AC and Eico 720 circa '60s.
>>
>>
>> On Apr 13, 2014, at 7:50 PM, David Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> I know it must be better than the old HQ-110, and Eico 720!  :)
>>> --
>>> Thanks and 73's,
>>> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
>>> www.nk7z.net
>>> for MixW support see;
>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
>>> for Dopplergram information see:
>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
>>> for MM-SSTV see:
>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 18:44 -0700, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>>>> David, my K3 is very new (#8004) and it's the best rig I've owned in
>>>> 60 years at this hobby (of course, those in the early years weren't
>>>> even close -- first was a converted WWII Arc-V pair, heavily
>>>> converted).
>>>>
>>>> You will love it, I predict.
>>>>
>>>> 73, Phil w7ox
>>>>
>>>> On 4/13/14, 6:33 PM, David Cole wrote:
>>>>> That is what I wanted to hear, I bought teh K3 because of the
> filters...
>>>>> I am glad to see someone saying something positive them!  THANK YOU!
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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Re: 756ProIII vs K3

Doug Person-3
In reply to this post by W7CS
Hey, I have an HQ-129 in storage looking for someone to restore it.
Anybody interested?
73, Doug -- K0DXV

On 4/14/2014 2:48 PM, Chuck Smallhouse wrote:

> I got my license it seems like, even before Col. Sanders was even a
> Corporal.   At the end of my sophomore year in Tucson High School, I
> worked all summer, with my cousin, in the crops in the Salem OR.
> area.   I managed to save up enough money to buy a new NC 173
> receiver, which was a new National model then.  I'm not sure that was
> too good of an idea, as my buddies were buying used HQ 129s and had
> money left over to get  Millen Exciters, with an 807 final.
>
> My first TX was built from parts of an old broadcast radio, and was
> only a bare 6V6 xtal oscillator, literally on a slab of wood(bread
> board).  I think that I attached a non resonate long wire to the top
> of the output coil, for 80 and 40 meters.  Tuning was via a light bulb
> in series with the antenna lead !  Talk about a QRP signal !
>
> 73,  Chuck, now W7CS
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Re: 756ProIII vs K3

Richard S. Leary
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Right on Doug. I love my K-Line. Best rig I've ever had, and like you, until
the K4, I won't have another. Unless I add a KX3, or K1. Nothing like having
a rig you can tailor to your personal operating preferences. Thank you
Elecraft!! Now, I, for sure, would buy that new K3 transmit signal monitor
that would fit in my P3. Hint, Wayne...
73, Rick, W7LKG

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Doug Person
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 19:51
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 756ProIII vs K3

In 1964 I had the same setup: HQ-170A, Eico 720 and a VFO.  In those days,
the HQ-170 was like science fiction come true for me. It was wonderful
stuff.  But, one day, I visited another ham who had just gotten a Drake 'B'
line.  Don't remember what year it was.  But I was very impressed.  I think,
even today, the 'B' line would be a very usable pair of rigs.  Because of
them, I owned a 'C' line for many years with every modification I could find
for them. Eventually, someone offered me a price that made me gasp.  I
turned that money into a 756-Pro.

I too tend to "rent" rigs.  I have a closet full right now.  I doubt any of
them will see anymore desk time.  I've proven to myself over and over that
the K3 is the real keeper.  Until there's a K4, I doubt anything else will
ever be front and center on my desk.

73, Doug -- K0DXV

On 4/14/2014 12:56 AM, Richard S. Leary wrote:
> Nostalgia trip. Built my Eico 720 in 62, but splurged with an HQ-170A
rcvr.

> After spending around 5 hours a day (average) for 6 1/2 years doing CW
> intercept, spinning the knobs on an SP-600, Hammarlund seemed a good
> way to go.
> Still have a couple of 40 mtr xtals for the 720. The big jump was the
> VFO for the 720. Went from the 720 to Heathkit SB-300/400, to Collins
> 75s3/32s3, to Kenwood TS870S, then to presently the K3/100, KPA500,
> and P3 (all kits, and no hardware/software failures, except those of
> the operator induced kind.). I would have loved a K3 during my
> intercept days. Ever try changing bands from 10m to say 40m or 80m on
> an R-390. Not my idea of "fun". Sounds like a few Keesler "Thompson Hall"
folks out there. Right Fred.

> OK, enough OT. Thanks for the memories. Good luck on that 720 Phil.
> 73,
> Rick, W7LKG
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad
> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 22:14
> To: Milt -- N5IA
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 756ProIII vs K3
>
> Actually, I am in the slow process of rebuilding an Eico 720 right
> now.  I am doing from scratch with all new parts except for the
> transformers, switches and inductors.  I am even putting new tube
> sockets in the chassis and also new terminal strips.  I am still in
> the process of collecting everything before I start.  I have two Eico 720s
from which I am starting.
> I think one of them was a factory built unit because a number of parts
> like tube sockets and the modulator socket on the rear as well as the
> VFO switch on the back were mounted with rivets rather than pan head
screws and nuts.
>
> It is a slow background project though.  But, I do have some 40-meter
> crystals all ready for when it is finished.
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
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Re: 756ProIII vs K3

Gary Gregory-2
I just think the bar was raised dramatically when Elecraft released the K3.
When I think back to ALL the transceivers I have owned, I distinctly recall
that none of them were able to win me over and I was constantly searching
for the "Best of the Best" and I spent enough money to prove that I failed.

The list is long, the model numbers are impressive, and even the model
numbers were long enough to give the buyer a warm fuzzy feeling while the
bank account dwindled to historical levels...:-)

One day I got so frustrated with the current pair of transceivers sitting
up taking space and not doing what I wanted so i turned to Google (Google
is your friend) and Google threw up Elecraft...after I figured out this was
not Halicraft or some furfy, I spotted the model # K3 and I got hooked, big
time.

So the FTdx9000D and FT-2000D went out the door in a heartbeat and I sat
with an older TS-450SAT and waited.....the K3 started to ship and good Ol
#679 rolled into the shack and my journey began. Now most folks that know
me probably think I may not be the sharpest knife in the draw, and to prove
they are right, I phoned Elecraft, spoke to Wayne I believe, and grumbled
that my new K3 came without the Microphone...what kind of operation were
they running?. yes, he asked me did I order one, order one I
repeated...yep, the penny dropped and I realised I had not read the FULL
list of what was needed. So the TS-450 gave up the microphone as it
disappeared out the door.

Is the K3 the best out there?....well in my opinion yes it is, after all,
mine is going nowhere soon of that I am sure. I had a pair of PROIII's and
a bunch of others that rate on the Sherwood list but nowhere near the top
and I reckon the FTdx9000D was better than the PROIII's, BUT, what I
premium price!

I am portable 24/7 and the K4 or whatever folks like to think will be an
Elecraft Base Transceiver will most likely not put in an appearance for me,
I have had my share of these types and now I prefer the convenience of the
K3 and the superior performance it gives me.

If Wayne is reading this and smiling at the memory of the indignant call
from Australia questioning why he did not personally ship every K3 with a
Microphone I glad I made him smile. Thanks Wayne, the K3 is truly a
remarkable transceiver that does pretty much everything to perfection for
me.

I have about given up on the RF Sensor for the P3. I have asked about it so
many times I am sure Wayne and company think I have lost the plot or
fixated on it, but, it would be a great addition for me at least.

Well that's my story I guess..............
73's to all,
Gary


On 17 April 2014 14:03, Richard S. Leary <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Right on Doug. I love my K-Line. Best rig I've ever had, and like you,
> until
> the K4, I won't have another. Unless I add a KX3, or K1. Nothing like
> having
> a rig you can tailor to your personal operating preferences. Thank you
> Elecraft!! Now, I, for sure, would buy that new K3 transmit signal monitor
> that would fit in my P3. Hint, Wayne...
> 73, Rick, W7LKG
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Doug Person
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 19:51
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 756ProIII vs K3
>
> In 1964 I had the same setup: HQ-170A, Eico 720 and a VFO.  In those days,
> the HQ-170 was like science fiction come true for me. It was wonderful
> stuff.  But, one day, I visited another ham who had just gotten a Drake 'B'
> line.  Don't remember what year it was.  But I was very impressed.  I
> think,
> even today, the 'B' line would be a very usable pair of rigs.  Because of
> them, I owned a 'C' line for many years with every modification I could
> find
> for them. Eventually, someone offered me a price that made me gasp.  I
> turned that money into a 756-Pro.
>
> I too tend to "rent" rigs.  I have a closet full right now.  I doubt any of
> them will see anymore desk time.  I've proven to myself over and over that
> the K3 is the real keeper.  Until there's a K4, I doubt anything else will
> ever be front and center on my desk.
>
> 73, Doug -- K0DXV
>
> On 4/14/2014 12:56 AM, Richard S. Leary wrote:
> > Nostalgia trip. Built my Eico 720 in 62, but splurged with an HQ-170A
> rcvr.
> > After spending around 5 hours a day (average) for 6 1/2 years doing CW
> > intercept, spinning the knobs on an SP-600, Hammarlund seemed a good
> > way to go.
> > Still have a couple of 40 mtr xtals for the 720. The big jump was the
> > VFO for the 720. Went from the 720 to Heathkit SB-300/400, to Collins
> > 75s3/32s3, to Kenwood TS870S, then to presently the K3/100, KPA500,
> > and P3 (all kits, and no hardware/software failures, except those of
> > the operator induced kind.). I would have loved a K3 during my
> > intercept days. Ever try changing bands from 10m to say 40m or 80m on
> > an R-390. Not my idea of "fun". Sounds like a few Keesler "Thompson Hall"
> folks out there. Right Fred.
> > OK, enough OT. Thanks for the memories. Good luck on that 720 Phil.
> > 73,
> > Rick, W7LKG
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email]
> > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad
> > Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 22:14
> > To: Milt -- N5IA
> > Cc: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 756ProIII vs K3
> >
> > Actually, I am in the slow process of rebuilding an Eico 720 right
> > now.  I am doing from scratch with all new parts except for the
> > transformers, switches and inductors.  I am even putting new tube
> > sockets in the chassis and also new terminal strips.  I am still in
> > the process of collecting everything before I start.  I have two Eico
> 720s
> from which I am starting.
> > I think one of them was a factory built unit because a number of parts
> > like tube sockets and the modulator socket on the rear as well as the
> > VFO switch on the back were mounted with rivets rather than pan head
> screws and nuts.
> >
> > It is a slow background project though.  But, I do have some 40-meter
> > crystals all ready for when it is finished.
> >
> > 73, phil, K7PEH
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Re: 756ProIII vs K3

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On 4/17/2014 12:32 AM, Gary Gregory wrote:
> I just think the bar was raised dramatically when Elecraft released the K3.

That's exactly how I perceived it in 2008, and I still see it that way.
My FT1000MPs went out the door as soon as the K3s showed up.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: 756ProIII vs K3

W2RMS
You know, the interesting thing about Elecraft and the K3 in particular is that one can form an opinion of it's superiority ONLY after using it it for a little while.
I don't think it can be done by just looking at it.
In fact, by just looking at it for a few minutes one forms the exact opposite opinion.
When i built my K3 (SN 8086) - i had a bunch of ham buddies come and take a short look at it.
I could see it in their faces: this guy's an idiot for paying almost $4300 for THIS?!?!?!?
Only one of these guys actually sat down and drove it for a few minutes.
He then told everyone that it has to be the quietest and most adjustable receiver he'd ever seen.
And naturally people take it with a grain of salt because they'd already seen it and they couldn't possibly be wrong about it, right?

But i just smile and grin to myself anytime a conversation about my K3 surfaces.

i KNOW what i bought :-)
And that's all that matters.

Thanks, Elecraft.

P.S. BEfore i ordered my K3 - i made Wayne (or Eric) and Lisa promise me that K4 won't be announced any time soon :-)
So all this talk about it is premature at best. Sorry.

Slava B
W2RMS

On Apr 17, 2014, at 6:47 AM, Jim Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 4/17/2014 12:32 AM, Gary Gregory wrote:
>> I just think the bar was raised dramatically when Elecraft released the K3.
>
> That's exactly how I perceived it in 2008, and I still see it that way. My FT1000MPs went out the door as soon as the K3s showed up.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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K3 First Impressions

NK7Z
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Hi all,

I thought I might communicate my initial feelings/impressions regarding
the K3 vs. the Pro 3.  

There is no question the K3 is a better receiver than the Pro 3; period!
Overall I can hear things on the K3 I was not able to hear on the Pro 3.
I did a very short, (didn't take too long to see the difference),  A/B,
and things on the K3 are clearer, cleaner, and easier to understand,
while on the Pro 3, they are buried in noise, and not quite as
understandable.  

CW is a dream on the K3.  The dial up filters are marvelous for CW.  I
can't wait to get familiar enough with the K3 to start pile up running
on CW.  

The K3, (at this time), feels a lot more difficult to operate than the
Pro 3, however I am sure this is because I used the Pro 3/2 combo for
many numbers of years, and have all of 48 whole hours on the K3.  

There is a learning curve, but that is fine, I have no issue with that.
The book by KE7X is very helpful, and fills a huge hole in documentation
that exists for the newcomer to the K3.

I also gained a HUGE amount of desktop space, as the Pro 3 had the PS
and external Speaker attached to it.  I will be putting up a pair of
speakers for the K3 later today, on a different shelf.  I kind of like
the minimalistic look of the operating position now.

I coupled the install of the K3, with a full station rebuild. Starting
with the grounding system, and ending with little wire hangers so I can
pull the desk out and clean behind it as needed.  It had been something
like 10 years since the last full shack cleanup so you can imagine what
it looked like.  I have a pile of "extra" cables now...

About the only thing that has me stumped so far is the use of the Sub
RX. I suspect it is listening to the RX Antenna input, because I get no
signals on it at all.  I am sure as I work through things I will find
that is the case.  

I'll post photos on my web page if anyone actually wants to see the
installed station.  I'll include photos of the back of the station and
the cable runs as well.  That will be in a week or so.

Many thanks to all that helped me select the K3, and answered the large
number of questions I had.  You all helped me in deciding to purchase
this rig, and I am not unhappy at all with it.  

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K3 First Impressions

Johnny Siu
Hello Dave,

Very good to know you like K3.  Are your comments related to CW operation or phone operation?  I suppose all your A/B tests are related to CW mode.

Please enlighten me.

73

Johnny VR2XMC
K-Line
 

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主題︰ [Elecraft] K3 First Impressions
 

Hi all,

I thought I might communicate my initial feelings/impressions regarding
the K3 vs. the Pro 3. 

There is no question the K3 is a better receiver than the Pro 3; period!
Overall I can hear things on the K3 I was not able to hear on the Pro 3.
I did a very short, (didn't take too long to see the difference),  A/B,
and things on the K3 are clearer, cleaner, and easier to understand,
while on the Pro 3, they are buried in noise, and not quite as
understandable. 

CW is a dream on the K3.  The dial up filters are marvelous for CW.  I
can't wait to get familiar enough with the K3 to start pile up running
on CW. 

The K3, (at this time), feels a lot more difficult to operate than the
Pro 3, however I am sure this is because I used the Pro 3/2 combo for
many numbers of years, and have all of 48 whole hours on the K3. 

There is a learning curve, but that is fine, I have no issue with that.
The book by KE7X is very helpful, and fills a huge hole in documentation
that exists for the newcomer to the K3.

I also gained a HUGE amount of desktop space, as the Pro 3 had the PS
and external Speaker attached to it.  I will be putting up a pair of
speakers for the K3 later today, on a different shelf.  I kind of like
the minimalistic look of the operating position now.

I coupled the install of the K3, with a full station rebuild. Starting
with the grounding system, and ending with little wire hangers so I can
pull the desk out and clean behind it as needed.  It had been something
like 10 years since the last full shack cleanup so you can imagine what
it looked like.  I have a pile of "extra" cables now...

About the only thing that has me stumped so far is the use of the Sub
RX. I suspect it is listening to the RX Antenna input, because I get no
signals on it at all.  I am sure as I work through things I will find
that is the case. 

I'll post photos on my web page if anyone actually wants to see the
installed station.  I'll include photos of the back of the station and
the cable runs as well.  That will be in a week or so.

Many thanks to all that helped me select the K3, and answered the large
number of questions I had.  You all helped me in deciding to purchase
this rig, and I am not unhappy at all with it. 

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Re: 756ProIII vs K3

Chip Stratton
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When I was first looking for a good HF transceiver, as a new ham, I was
excited by the colorful and fancy displays of the more expensive HF rigs. I
think I glanced at Elecraft, but thought the monochrome display old tech
and boring.  I was tempted by the ProIII but for cost, and finally settled
on an used Icom IC-7000.  Well, older and wiser now, the IC-7000 sits
unused except for occasional trips to the boat (as an emergency backup) and
the K2 and the KX3 get all of the attention, and for good reasons - ease of
use and performance.  I may yet rationalize getting a K3 in the future, but
that will be an indulgence, not a need! And those Elecraft displays seem to
be giving me everything I need, at a glance.

Chip
Ae5ka
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Re: K3 First Impressions

W2RMS
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Hi David!
Congrats on the K3!
I'm no expert, having just built mine few weeks ago, but where did you connect your Sub RX antenna input to? IS it connected to the RX ANT bnc or to the KAT3?
If BNC - then yes, you would need to connect the actual receive only antenna.
I connected mine to the KAT3, so that i could pick and choose which antenna to use for the Sub RX. Right now it shares the same antenna as used by the main receiver.

I'm sure others will chime in...

Enjoy the rig!

Slava B
W2RMS
 
On Apr 17, 2014, at 10:28 AM, David Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I thought I might communicate my initial feelings/impressions regarding
> the K3 vs. the Pro 3.  
>
> There is no question the K3 is a better receiver than the Pro 3; period!
> Overall I can hear things on the K3 I was not able to hear on the Pro 3.
> I did a very short, (didn't take too long to see the difference),  A/B,
> and things on the K3 are clearer, cleaner, and easier to understand,
> while on the Pro 3, they are buried in noise, and not quite as
> understandable.  
>
> CW is a dream on the K3.  The dial up filters are marvelous for CW.  I
> can't wait to get familiar enough with the K3 to start pile up running
> on CW.  
>
> The K3, (at this time), feels a lot more difficult to operate than the
> Pro 3, however I am sure this is because I used the Pro 3/2 combo for
> many numbers of years, and have all of 48 whole hours on the K3.  
>
> There is a learning curve, but that is fine, I have no issue with that.
> The book by KE7X is very helpful, and fills a huge hole in documentation
> that exists for the newcomer to the K3.
>
> I also gained a HUGE amount of desktop space, as the Pro 3 had the PS
> and external Speaker attached to it.  I will be putting up a pair of
> speakers for the K3 later today, on a different shelf.  I kind of like
> the minimalistic look of the operating position now.
>
> I coupled the install of the K3, with a full station rebuild. Starting
> with the grounding system, and ending with little wire hangers so I can
> pull the desk out and clean behind it as needed.  It had been something
> like 10 years since the last full shack cleanup so you can imagine what
> it looked like.  I have a pile of "extra" cables now...
>
> About the only thing that has me stumped so far is the use of the Sub
> RX. I suspect it is listening to the RX Antenna input, because I get no
> signals on it at all.  I am sure as I work through things I will find
> that is the case.  
>
> I'll post photos on my web page if anyone actually wants to see the
> installed station.  I'll include photos of the back of the station and
> the cable runs as well.  That will be in a week or so.
>
> Many thanks to all that helped me select the K3, and answered the large
> number of questions I had.  You all helped me in deciding to purchase
> this rig, and I am not unhappy at all with it.  
>
> --
> Thanks and 73's,
> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> www.nk7z.net
> for MixW support see;
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> for Dopplergram information see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
> for MM-SSTV see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
>
>
>
>
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Re: K3 First Impressions

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HI,

Yes, Almost all CW operations.  The K3 rx is quiet, and as such makes
even SSB operation nice...  The thing is a dream on CW.
--
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net
for MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
for Dopplergram information see:
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for MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info


On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 22:33 +0800, Johnny Siu wrote:

>
> Hello Dave,
>
>
> Very good to know you like K3.  Are your comments related to CW
> operation or phone operation?  I suppose all your A/B tests are
> related to CW mode.
>
>
> Please enlighten me.
>
>
> 73
>
>
> Johnny VR2XMC
> K-Line
>
>
> 寄件人︰ David Cole <[hidden email]>
> 收件人︰ [hidden email]
> 傳送日期︰ 2014年04月17日 (週四) 10:28 PM
> 主題︰ [Elecraft] K3 First Impressions
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I thought I might communicate my initial feelings/impressions
> regarding
> the K3 vs. the Pro 3.  
>
> There is no question the K3 is a better receiver than the Pro 3;
> period!
> Overall I can hear things on the K3 I was not able to hear on the Pro
> 3.
> I did a very short, (didn't take too long to see the difference),
> A/B,
> and things on the K3 are clearer, cleaner, and easier to understand,
> while on the Pro 3, they are buried in noise, and not quite as
> understandable.  
>
> CW is a dream on the K3.  The dial up filters are marvelous for CW.  I
> can't wait to get familiar enough with the K3 to start pile up running
> on CW.  
>
> The K3, (at this time), feels a lot more difficult to operate than the
> Pro 3, however I am sure this is because I used the Pro 3/2 combo for
> many numbers of years, and have all of 48 whole hours on the K3.  
>
> There is a learning curve, but that is fine, I have no issue with
> that.
> The book by KE7X is very helpful, and fills a huge hole in
> documentation
> that exists for the newcomer to the K3.
>
> I also gained a HUGE amount of desktop space, as the Pro 3 had the PS
> and external Speaker attached to it.  I will be putting up a pair of
> speakers for the K3 later today, on a different shelf.  I kind of like
> the minimalistic look of the operating position now.
>
> I coupled the install of the K3, with a full station rebuild. Starting
> with the grounding system, and ending with little wire hangers so I
> can
> pull the desk out and clean behind it as needed.  It had been
> something
> like 10 years since the last full shack cleanup so you can imagine
> what
> it looked like.  I have a pile of "extra" cables now...
>
> About the only thing that has me stumped so far is the use of the Sub
> RX. I suspect it is listening to the RX Antenna input, because I get
> no
> signals on it at all.  I am sure as I work through things I will find
> that is the case.  
>
> I'll post photos on my web page if anyone actually wants to see the
> installed station.  I'll include photos of the back of the station and
> the cable runs as well.  That will be in a week or so.
>
> Many thanks to all that helped me select the K3, and answered the
> large
> number of questions I had.  You all helped me in deciding to purchase
> this rig, and I am not unhappy at all with it.  
>
> --
> Thanks and 73's,
> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> www.nk7z.net
> for MixW support see;
>
>
>

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