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Dual PB filter

alsopb
Anybody out there playing with this feature or actually used it in a contest?   What are your experiences?

Playing with it yielded the following:.

1) Narrower CW filters can't be used (at least not my 400 Hz and narrower filters).  The wings are outside the narrow filter passband.
2) For me that meant the 1.8KHz roofing filter was used.

It seems like that defeats the purpose of having a K3.  In a contest situation, I would certainly like as many rock crusher signal outside the roofing filter passband as possible.

It would suggest one might consider the 1 KHz roofing filter, if you want to seriously use this option.

If there existed some intermediate (say 700Hz) or variable roofing filter,  what would it's width have to be to include the wings and be used for dual PB filtering?

de Brian/K3KO
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Re: Dual PB filter

dave.wilburn
It has really saved the day on a couple of RTTY QSO's.  That is the
only place I have used it.

David Wilburn
K4DGW


alsopb wrote:

> Anybody out there playing with this feature or actually used it in a contest?  
> What are your experiences?
>
> Playing with it yielded the following:.
>
> 1) Narrower CW filters can't be used (at least not my 400 Hz and narrower
> filters).  The wings are outside the narrow filter passband.
> 2) For me that meant the 1.8KHz roofing filter was used.
>
> It seems like that defeats the purpose of having a K3.  In a contest
> situation, I would certainly like as many rock crusher signal outside the
> roofing filter passband as possible.
>
> It would suggest one might consider the 1 KHz roofing filter, if you want to
> seriously use this option.
>
> If there existed some intermediate (say 700Hz) or variable roofing filter,
> what would it's width have to be to include the wings and be used for dual
> PB filtering?
>
> de Brian/K3KO
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Re: Dual PB filter

Bill W4ZV
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alsopb wrote
Anybody out there playing with this feature or actually used it in a contest?   What are your experiences?

Playing with it yielded the following:.

1) Narrower CW filters can't be used (at least not my 400 Hz and narrower filters).  The wings are outside the narrow filter passband.
2) For me that meant the 1.8KHz roofing filter was used.
The narrowest setting of DUAL PB is set to 600 Hz by the DSP firmware.  If you have a 500 Hz filter (actual BW ~560 Hz), you can adjust its set point to 600 Hz so that it's enabled at the narrowest DUAL PB setting.  You could do the same with the 400 Hz but 600 Hz is quite a bit above that filter's 430 Hz BW, which might cause other undesired issues in normal operation.

73,  Bill
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Re: Dual PB filter

alsopb
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Just looked at what this Dual PB filter was doing with SPECTROGRAM.

Set up with a width of 600Hz and a 1.8 KHz roofing filter.  DPB off and on.

The 600 Hz alone has the normal filter passband shape.
DPB on gives a narrower center filter less than 200 Hz wide and two
augmented wings down about 30db filling out the rest of the normal
filter passband.

This explains why DPB sounded quietern to one poster.  I suspect turning
the K3 width setting to 200 Hz would have the same quieting effect.

73 de Brian/K3KO

David Wilburn wrote:

> It has really saved the day on a couple of RTTY QSO's.  That is the
> only place I have used it.
>
> David Wilburn
> K4DGW
>
>
> alsopb wrote:
>
>> Anybody out there playing with this feature or actually used it in a
>> contest?  What are your experiences?
>>
>> Playing with it yielded the following:.
>>
>> 1) Narrower CW filters can't be used (at least not my 400 Hz and
>> narrower
>> filters).  The wings are outside the narrow filter passband.
>> 2) For me that meant the 1.8KHz roofing filter was used.
>>
>> It seems like that defeats the purpose of having a K3.  In a contest
>> situation, I would certainly like as many rock crusher signal outside
>> the
>> roofing filter passband as possible.
>>
>> It would suggest one might consider the 1 KHz roofing filter, if you
>> want to
>> seriously use this option.
>>
>> If there existed some intermediate (say 700Hz) or variable roofing
>> filter, what would it's width have to be to include the wings and be
>> used for dual
>> PB filtering?
>>
>> de Brian/K3KO
>
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RE: Dual PB filter

Ed Muns, W0YK
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Two different filters although both are activated by the DUAL PB
hold-button, depending on MODE.  In RTTY it is the Dual-Tone Filter, two 50
Hz DSP filters spaced 170 Hz apart.  In CW, it is a two level filter with
two widths, 150 Hz and 600 Hz as I recall.  The passband of the 600 Hz
filter is 20 dB down which provides the skirts to hear nearby signals
without having them dominate the signal(s) you focus on in the 150 Hz
filter.

As for the choice of roofing filter, it needs to be wider than 600 Hz.  So,
yes, a 700 Hz crystal filter would give the most DSP protection from strong
signals outside the 600 Hz bandwidth.

73,
Ed - W0YK

> -----Original Message-----
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>
> It has really saved the day on a couple of RTTY QSO's.  That
> is the only place I have used it.
>
> David Wilburn
> K4DGW
>
>
> alsopb wrote:
> > Anybody out there playing with this feature or actually
> used it in a contest?  
> > What are your experiences?
> >
> > Playing with it yielded the following:.
> >
> > 1) Narrower CW filters can't be used (at least not my 400 Hz and
> > narrower filters).  The wings are outside the narrow filter
> passband.
> > 2) For me that meant the 1.8KHz roofing filter was used.
> >
> > It seems like that defeats the purpose of having a K3.  In
> a contest
> > situation, I would certainly like as many rock crusher
> signal outside
> > the roofing filter passband as possible.
> >
> > It would suggest one might consider the 1 KHz roofing
> filter, if you
> > want to seriously use this option.
> >
> > If there existed some intermediate (say 700Hz) or variable roofing
> > filter, what would it's width have to be to include the
> wings and be
> > used for dual PB filtering?
> >
> > de Brian/K3KO
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