Elecraft CW Net cancellation

[daleputnam]

It also allows for the brain to adjust for the changing band conditions... and provides a vry much improved copy, and rate.

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Dale - WC7S in Wy
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[k6dgw]

On 2/19/2012 8:02 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

> I have always preferred what the commercial CW operators used, the QSA
> report. QSA1 for audible but unreadable to QSA5 for perfect copy. The QSA
> report considered both the strength and the 'copyability' of the signal. A
> huge signal but a lousy "fist" might merit a QSA2. A much weaker signal but
> in the clear with a good fist might deserve a QSA5.

INT QRK   What is the readability of my signals?
QRK 5     The readability of your signals is 5 [on a 1-5 scale]

INT QSA   What is the strength of my signals?
QSA 4     The strength of your signals is 4 [on a 1-5 scale]

INT QRI   How is the tone of my transmission?
QRI 1     The tone of your transmission is 3 [1=good, 2=variable, 3=bad]

INT QSD   Is my keying defective?
QSD       Your keying is defective.

INT QKK   How many knobs does your radio have?
QKK 12    My radio has 12 knobs

INT QKU   How many of those do you know how to use?
QKU 4     I know how to use 4 of them

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012
- www.cqp.org

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[KU7Y]

> My point would be that signal reports are meaningless, period.

Very true.  Think about this......

You get a report from 10 stations, all of whom are within a mile of each
other.  All have different antennas, rigs, ears and etc.  Some have S meters
while some don't.

You get RSTs from 599 to 519.

All you have learned is that there sure if a big difference in their
stations!  Hehehehehe

OK, back in my hole,

Ron, KU7Y
SOWP 5545M
Arizona Outlaws Contest Club
Brenda, AZ (Winter)
Caldwell, ID (Summer)
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[Tony Estep]

So if I understand this thread correctly:

Some guys don't like it when there are a lot of signals on the bands;

and

Mr. A doesn't approve of the signal reports exchanged in a QSO between
Mr. B and Mr. C.

Very enlightening.

Tony KT0NY


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[Mike Reublin]

ROTFLMFAO!

73, Mike NF4L

On 2/20/2012 1:06 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

> INT QRK   What is the readability of my signals?
> QRK 5     The readability of your signals is 5 [on a 1-5 scale]
>
> INT QSA   What is the strength of my signals?
> QSA 4     The strength of your signals is 4 [on a 1-5 scale]
>
> INT QRI   How is the tone of my transmission?
> QRI 1     The tone of your transmission is 3 [1=good, 2=variable, 3=bad]
>
> INT QSD   Is my keying defective?
> QSD       Your keying is defective.
>
> INT QKK   How many knobs does your radio have?
> QKK 12    My radio has 12 knobs
>
> INT QKU   How many of those do you know how to use?
> QKU 4     I know how to use 4 of them
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012
> - www.cqp.org
>

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[k6dgw]

On 2/20/2012 11:38 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mEz_hcYumQI

Hmmm ... A2 [MCW] on an HF ham band?

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012
- www.cqp.org

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[Richard S. Leary]

To Me the use of QSA(1-5) was for signal strength only. If the other
operator had a bad fist then we used QRK(1-5). QRK was his "readability".
Then we also used INT QSA and INT QRK instead of QSA IMI(?) or QRK IMI
(ditty-dum dum-ditty, as we used to say). You could tell the good guys from
the other guys, as we used INT vs IMI.
And for transmitter sounds, we also used to identify many other "targets"
just by how the xmitters sounded and how they operated. Some were very
distinctive. This is from the late 50's, early 60's. How many ex-CW morse
intercept operators out there? Hi There.
As for RST reports. In contesting I'll probably go with the 599. But if you
get me in a casual QSO I'll give you an "honest" report for sure, wether it
makes you feel bad or not. I know I've gotten a lot of other than 599
reports and then consider why I got it, either "me bad", propagation,
equipment, power, or whatever. Closest real RST reports I've had lately were
during the monthly NAQCC sprints. Lots of 559 @ 5W.

Just my FWIW...K3/100K #4497, P3 #344, KPA500 (#??? soon)

73, Rick
W7LKG

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 05:52
To: Ron D'Eau Claire
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The Old RST

Interesting his, thanks for sharing.  My comments are below:
On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:02 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
>
>
> I have always preferred what the commercial CW operators used, the QSA
> report. QSA1 for audible but unreadable to QSA5 for perfect copy. The
> QSA report considered both the strength and the 'copyability' of the
> signal. A huge signal but a lousy "fist" might merit a QSA2.


Well there is always QLF   ;-)

>
>
> It's been nearly a century since the T report had any meaning, yet we
> Hams still use it.

I have recently heard some T7 or T8 signals on the air as well as a 579C.
Yes, it's rare, thankfully, but no reason to give up the ability to report.


73, Ken
WA8JXM

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[Gary K9GS]

As Tim, KQ8M mentioned in a later e-mail:

In answer to your suggestion, there already are areas. 3.600-3.650,
7.100-7.125, 14.100-14.150, 21.100-21.150, 28.100-28.150. During even the
biggest contests those areas are usually free of contesters.



Why not move the net there?  These respective parts of the band could use the activity plus it would get the Elecraft net out of the part of the band with increasing digital activity.  A win for everyone concerned.



On 2/20/2012 7:22 AM, Ted Bryant wrote:

> "...It is a pity that the Elecraft CW net had to be cancelled because QRM
> from contests would have overwhelmed it..."
>
> In keeping with the emergency preparedness aspects of this, doesn't the net
> have a backup frequency for just such occasions as this?  The WARC bands are
> contest-free.
>
> (Or...could it be that the cancellation was more due to most of the net
> members playing in the contest?)
>
> Ted W4NZ
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of John Ragle
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 7:50 AM
> To: elecraft
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net cancellation
>
>
> Since when do pre-programmed memory buttons and logging software
> constitute "crisp operating practices?"
>
> In the case of actual public service, observing net protocol and careful
> listening/transmitting are the important factors, along with
> properly-prepared emergency hardware.
>
> I am not opposed to contests per se, but when the calendar is completely
> dominated by this kind of activity, I think it is "out of control," as
> N5GE observes.
>
> It is a pity that the Elecraft CW net had to be cancelled because QRM
> from contests would have overwhelmed it.
>
> John Ragle -- W1ZI
>
> /=====/
>
> On 2/20/2012 3:08 AM, David Gilbert wrote:
>> <snip>...I'd offer the opinion that crisp operating
>> practices learned in contesting beat casual roundtable chats with
>> friends hands down...<end snip>
>>
>> Dave   AB7E
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/20/2012 12:25 AM, John Ragle wrote:
>>> Prompted by some of the comments about contests and complaints under
>>> this topic, I second this sentiment with a vengeance. As I have written
>>> to the reflector before, I think these do not go very far toward
>>> justifying the spectrum space that we have been given by the public, and
>>> they mean that I simply have to shut down my HF operations when there is
>>> a big contest weekend. (Fortunately, the VHF/UHF contests are more
>>> neighborly.)
>>>
>>> John Ragle -- W1ZI
>>>
>>> /=====/
>>>
>>> On 2/20/2012 1:34 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>> As far as contests are concerned, I believe they are out of control,
>>>> but that's
>>>> MY opinion...
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Gary K9GS

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[W2RU - Bud Hippisley]

On Feb 20, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Gary K9GS wrote:

> As Tim, KQ8M mentioned in a later e-mail:
>
> In answer to your suggestion, there already are areas. 3.600-3.650,
> 7.100-7.125, 14.100-14.150, 21.100-21.150, 28.100-28.150. During even the
> biggest contests those areas are usually free of contesters.
>
> Why not move the net there?  These respective parts of the band could use the activity plus it would get the Elecraft net out of the part of the band with increasing digital activity.  A win for everyone concerned.

In part because thanks to a really idiotic move by the FCC, 3.6 − 3.7 MHz CW in the USA is available only to Amateur Extra Class licensees!  Among other things, this keeps many CW traffic nets from moving above a little bit above 3.6 MHz on weekend evenings to avoid QRM from the various RTTY contests that occur numerous times during the year.

Bud, W2RU
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