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Re: Elecraft Equipment chat group

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Count me out.

On 5/1/2017 5:05 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
> How many of you would be interested?
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Re: Elecraft Equipment chat group

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I certainly would like to see that.
This list has way too much off topic, and real questions get lost in the fog of it all.

From: Michael Walker <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 8:10 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

Hi All

I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
Elecraft equipment.

While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.

How many of you would be interested?

73 all, Mike va3mw

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Re: FW: Elecraft Equipment chat group

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Hi Jerry

This is not a moderator discussion as I am not asking them for their
permission, nor do I want to change anything they are doing or promoting.
I have discussed it with them at one point and they are pleased with how
this forum is being used. What I am looking at is an alternative.

However, I and many others would prefer to stay on Elecraft equipment
topics and prefer to not see any off topic messages like earthquakes, cb
radio or cameras. It does not help us in any way shape or form with the
usage of the great Elecraft products. That is the reason that some (not
all) of us joined.

It is about providing options to the community so they can chose.

What is happening is that we are loosing highly technical resources that
would normally contribute to the Elecraft product set as they don't want to
see the off topic spam.

Yes, I can delete them and I don't mind when it is a small percentage, but
now is not a small percentage by a huge amount. It is turning into a 50/50
discussion board. I know some like it and that is great and I respect
that. But, we also have to respect it for those that consider it spam.

If you don't want to be part of a 2nd forum, that is totally up to you and
others that are happy with the status quo.

Make sense?

73, mike va3mw

On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Jerry Moore <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I'd suggest taking this off list directly to the list mods.
> While your opinions are important; the community in it's entirety is
> governed by Elecraft. Complaining to the list only results in a flurry of
> 'me too' or 'not me' posts that further exacerbate the issue.
> On the air we ignore people that disrupt communications or otherwise break
> the rules.
> I'd suggest we take the same action on the list and internet at large.
> Experience being a good teacher; we know that there are people who derive
> enjoyment from causing drama and getting folks spun up.
> Sometimes you just have to get away from the keyboard and go outside.
> Jer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Michael Walker
> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 9:54 AM
> To: N2TK, Tony <[hidden email]>
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: Elecraft Equipment chat group
>
> It is getting out of hand.
>
> We just had about 50 emails on RACES and MARS. Even Eric told everyone to
> shut it down as a moderator, yet everyone ignored him. It seems (and I
> haven't measured) that we are 50/50 off topic to on topic.
>
> For those that would prefer to stay try to Elecraft equipment discussions,
> it looks like I will be starting another group. I'll let those interested
> where it will be hosted by tomorrow.
>
> For those that are not interested, that is fine. No pressure here, just
> trying to solve a problem.
>
> What you may not realize, when Wayne and Eric are moderating emails, they
> aren't working on Elecraft products and driving Elecraft forward. This
> would give them more time to do that.
>
> many 73, Mike va3mw
>
>
> On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 9:42 AM, N2TK, Tony <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Nope, not interested in a new forum.
> > I agree some topics stretch the interest quite a bit for an Elecraft
> > subject. But many times I learn something. And If I have no interest
> > or get bored with a subject I just use the Delete key.
> >
> > 73,
> > N2TK, Tony
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> > Michael Walker
> > Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 8:06 AM
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus
> > only on Elecraft equipment.
> >
> > While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it
> > is related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of
> emails.
> >
> > How many of you would be interested?
> >
> > 73 all, Mike va3mw
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Michael Walker

Re: Elecraft Equipment chat group

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Hi Eric

Actually, it doesn't go in in other forums to this extent. And, when it
does, it is shut down. This forum is the wild wild west. :)

I posted a list of all the forums I am a member of, and they are all focus
on their charter.

Mike va3mw

On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 10:34 AM, EricJ <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Not a chance. Frankly, as a K1 and K2 owner, all the *K-line* posts are OT
> to me. But there hasn't been an OT topic on this reflector that I didn't
> find informative. This is a very tech savvy and interesting group, and I
> value their input. It takes a long time to build a viable community of any
> kind. This one is mature and healthy.
>
> I filter out everything with a specific K-line model number. When a new
> product is announced (like the KPA1500) it isn't filtered so I can learn
> something about it. I have never owned an amp in 60 years and chances are
> excellent I never will, but the product is still interesting--I read every
> post. At some point, I'll add it to my filter.
>
> Why are filters so difficult to do that someone would think starting a new
> group would be easier?
>
> This OT argument goes on in every single group from time to time. It's the
> ULTIMATE example of OT imaginable.
>
> Eric KE6US
>
>
>
> On 5/1/2017 5:05 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
>
>> Hi All
>>
>> I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
>> Elecraft equipment.
>>
>> While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
>> related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of
>> emails.
>>
>> How many of you would be interested?
>>
>> 73 all, Mike va3mw
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Nolan Kienitz

Re: Elecraft Equipment Chat Group

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There is already another Elecraft reflector at Yahoo.

73,
Nolan Kienitz - KI5IO

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Kevin Cozens-2

Re: Elecraft Equipment chat group

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On 2017-05-01 08:05 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
> I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
> Elecraft equipment.
>
> While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
> related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.

I would not be interested. It would just wind up duplicating some of the
posts here in terms of topics.

The more people include keywords in the subject lines the easier it is for
those of us who know how to use mail filters to automatically filter out
emails about unwanted topics. For the non-filtered content the Delete key is
all that is needed.

I read a few of the NVIS related messages. Now I automatically hit the
Delete key for any other messages with that word in the subject line. My
email program looks for 15 different references to Elecraft products in the
subject line and tosses those messages in to the trash folder when seen.
That leaves me with a folder of K2 related messages and another filter puts
any remaining Elecraft messages in to a non-K2 folder. It makes the list a
lot more managable.

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Cheers!

Kevin.

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Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're
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David Gilbert

Re: Elecraft Equipment chat group

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Not at all interested. It takes me maybe 15 seconds to scan through the
Subject headers to delete the ones I'm not interested in, or have become
bored with, and I get just as many messages as you do.

Besides, unless you plan to moderate your list (which will take you FAR
longer to do than liberal use of your delete key on the current list and
take up even more of your time explaining why you blocked a particular
post) your new list is likely to end up with a similar composition to
this one ... maybe even more given that Wayne and Eric have more street
cred than you do. As someone else just posted, it's human nature to
pollute.

Lastly, I'm not interested in every Elecraft product, and I'd still have
to do the same scan/delete process on your list that I do on this one.

Dave AB7E

On 5/1/2017 5:05 AM, Michael Walker wrote:

> Hi All
>
> I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
> Elecraft equipment.
>
> While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
> related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.
>
> How many of you would be interested?
>
> 73 all, Mike va3mw
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pa0pje

Re: Elecraft Equipment chat group

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Count me out too...
I have a perfectly working delete key and I know very well how to select
a group of mails that are of no interest to me and how to create message
filters...:-)

Op 2017-05-01 om 15:04 schreef Jim Rhodes:
> On 5/1/2017 5:05 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
>
>> How many of you would be interested?
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I strongly disagree with starting another forum-there’s already plenty.And-a number of other forums I subscribe to go ‘way farther off than this one. Do us all a favor-don’t divide the knowledge. Eric and Wayne do a fine job moderating.
Dan Presley N7CQR
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> On May 1, 2017, at 9:26 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I've been around this reflector for 17 years - so far - and this issue has
> come up many, many times.
>
> Here are the guidelines Eric posted most recently:
>
> "The PRIMARY purposes of this list are to provide a -polite- and enjoyable
> forum for discussing Elecraft products, share mods, new ideas, feedback to
> Elecraft, share experiences using our products, troubleshooting ideas etc.
>
> "The Elecraft email list server (reflector) is provided to further the
> discussion of Elecraft products and related items. It serves as a forum for
> the discussion of both technical and operating topics including product
> features, construction and debug problems, sharing your enthusiasm and
> impressions from using our products and more general ham radio related
> topics of interest to our customers.
>
> "(Please -strongly- resist the urge to reply to an OT topic once it has gone
> to 5 posts. Once it hits ten posts do not reply at all (go off list if you
> feel the urge to continue.) Also, please do not try to always get the 'last
> word'.."
>
> ----------------------
>
> Note there is no prohibition of OT topics, only that the number of posts be
> kept down. And he specifically makes provision for "... general ham radio
> related topics of interest..."
>
> 73, Ron AC7AC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Michael Walker
> Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 8:12 AM
> To: EricJ; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
>
> Hi Eric
>
> Actually, it doesn't go in in other forums to this extent. And, when it
> does, it is shut down. This forum is the wild wild west. :)
>
> I posted a list of all the forums I am a member of, and they are all focus
> on their charter.
>
> Mike va3mw
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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: Elecraft Equipment chat group

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In reply to this post by David Gilbert

I'd like to close this thread at this time to reduce email overload for our
other readers.

As the central Elecraft community discussion forum, we rely on this list both to
post official Elecraft updates and to get motivational feedback, marketing and
technical info from all of you. Its a huge resource for us, and of course, for
all of you.

Regarding other discussion forums: There already are at least three unofficial
Elecraft related Yahoo discussion Groups in existence. One, just called
'Elecraft' is a very low volume general discussion area for anything Elecraft
related. It receives just a few posts each week. (I actually manage that one
since it was released by its creator many years ago. I am not able to regularly
read or post to it though.) There also is an Elecraft K3 Yahoo list that gets a
few more posts, and a reasonably active Elecraft KX3 yahoo group. We try to
watch those, but we are not able to do so nearly as often as we watch and
participate here.

Note also that there is an official Elecraft Facebook page at:
https://www.facebook.com/Elecraft.Inc

In general, we prefer that this list remain as the central daily Elecraft
discussion forum. We certainly acknowledge that there will be other new Elecraft
lists popping up from time to time, but we can not guarantee that we will always
be able to read and respond on those lists regularly.

Also, please limit OT non-Elecraft product related postings here as much as
possible, and to voluntarily stop replying to, and kill, those OT threads after
less than 10 on-list replies (preferably less then 5.. :-)

I'll post the formal list user guidelines in a moment.

73,
Eric
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On 5/1/2017 9:12 AM, David Gilbert wrote:
>
> Not at all interested. It takes me maybe 15 seconds to scan through the
> Subject headers to delete the ones I'm not interested in, or have become bored
> with, and I get just as many messages as you do.

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Re: Elecraft Equipment chat group

Short version: Accept no substitutes.

Rick nhc

On 5/1/2017 12:25 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:

> As the central Elecraft community discussion forum, we rely on this
> list both to post official Elecraft updates and to get motivational
> feedback, marketing and technical info from all of you. Its a huge
> resource for us, and of course, for all of you.
>
> Regarding other discussion forums: There already are at least three
> unofficial Elecraft related Yahoo discussion Groups in existence.
> One, just called 'Elecraft' is a very low volume general discussion
> area for anything Elecraft related. It receives just a few posts each
> week. (I actually manage that one since it was released by its creator
> many years ago. I am not able to regularly read or post to it though.)
> There also is an Elecraft K3 Yahoo list that gets a few more posts,
> and a reasonably active Elecraft KX3 yahoo group. We try to watch
> those, but we are not able to do so nearly as often as we watch and
> participate here.
>
> Note also that there is an official Elecraft Facebook page at:
> https://www.facebook.com/Elecraft.Inc
>
> In general, we prefer that this list remain as the central daily
> Elecraft discussion forum. We certainly acknowledge that there will be
> other new Elecraft lists popping up from time to time, but we can not
> guarantee that we will always be able to read and respond on those
> lists regularly.
>
> Also, please limit OT non-Elecraft product related postings here as
> much as possible, and to voluntarily stop replying to, and kill, those
> OT threads after less than 10 on-list replies (preferably less then
> 5.. :-)
>
> I'll post the formal list user guidelines in a moment.
>
> 73,
> Eric
> Moderator
> /elecraft.com/

Nr4c

Re: Elecraft Equipment chat group

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Not I.

I use the DELETE key a lot.

We don't need another group, but maybe a bit more etiquette on this one.

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill

> On May 1, 2017, at 8:05 AM, Michael Walker <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
> Elecraft equipment.
>
> While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
> related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.
>
> How many of you would be interested?
>
> 73 all, Mike va3mw
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Don23805

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I recently signed up for the eHam list which is organized by interest
area, posted a couple questions, received relevant answers & comments
and am not bothered by OT stuff. Those here with all these OT messages
would probably get better info from a wider audience.
I joined this group because I'm an Elecraft owner and found it to be a
good resource. 100 posts per day, mostly OT, or Me Too is too much.
Occasionally I've taken the whole mailbox and sorted it on the From
column, reading only posts from Eric & Wayne.
73 Don K2BIO
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Mike you know I’d follow you anywhere/anytime but in this case I would rather not have to join yet another group. It would just add to the problem I’m already having with HAM group email overload. This group is actively moderated so I’m fine with filtering the daily digests.

If anything I wish this group were mirrored on facebook as it would be even easier to follow the threads and use the thread filter options there. In the digests there is no convenient way to unsubscribe from a thread where as this is a basic Facebook feature.

Brian ve3bwp

Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 08:05:54 -0400
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Hi All

I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
Elecraft equipment.

While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.

How many of you would be interested?

73 all, Mike va3mw
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M0XDF

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I’m afraid I wont be joining that - I think the one group from Elecraft Reflector is sufficient.

73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)
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> On 1 May 2017, at 13:05, Michael Walker <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
> Elecraft equipment.
>
> While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
> related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.
>
> How many of you would be interested?
>
> 73 all, Mike va3mw
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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: Elecraft Equipment chat group

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Folks - we ended this thread yesterday.

73,
Eric
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On 5/3/2017 10:52 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
> I’m afraid I wont be joining that - I think the one group from Elecraft Reflector is sufficient.
>
> 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)

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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: Elecraft Equipment chat group

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Note - this thread was closed yesterday.

The list is mirrored in web format, both in date and threaded formats, on
several platforms (Nabble, Mail-archive etc..) We list several on our web page at:
http://www.elecraft.com/elist.html

73,

Eric
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On 5/3/2017 10:39 AM, Brian ve3bwp Pietrzyk wrote:
> Mike you know I’d follow you anywhere/anytime but in this case I would rather not have to join yet another group. It would just add to the problem I’m already having with HAM group email overload. This group is actively moderated so I’m fine with filtering the daily digests.
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> If anything I wish this group were mirrored on facebook as it would be even easier to follow the threads and use the thread filter options there. In the digests there is no convenient way to unsubscribe from a thread where as this is a basic Facebook feature.
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> Brian ve3bwp
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