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Darwin, Keith
We all want a K2-B (K2 with big knobs & display) and I'm sure Elecraft
Engineering is working on it as we speak.
 
So how about another idea.  I want a separate receiver in the shack.
Something to use as a backup.  Something I can use to monitor my the TX
signal from my K2 so I can hear what it is really doing.  Features would
include:
 
- Medium size or larger controls.
- General coverage SW receive (1.5 - 30 MHz)
- 1 KHz display resolution.
- Low noise, great sound so you can really tell what your TX signal
sounds like.
- AM / SSB / CW coverage
- wide / medium / narrow filters
- Low cost ($300)
 
Nice to have includes
 
- Analog S-Meter.
- Memories
- IF shift
- External mute
- Fast / Slow / Off AGC speeds
- RF gain control
- Synchronous AGC
 
I guess I'm looking for a modern Drake 2B / R-4B but with full coverage.
 
- Keith KD1E -
- K2 5411 -
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Re: Elecraft GC receiver?

David Toepfer
> I want a separate receiver in the shack.
> [...]
> - Low cost ($300)

Man, you are funny.

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Re: Elecraft GC receiver?

Leigh L. Klotz Jr WA5ZNU
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In reply to this post by Darwin, Keith
How about a Kenwood TH-F6A?  It fits your price point, has CW and SSB
coverage, and receives 0.1-1300MHz, and supports RS232 control so you
can use it for your computer control.  Plus when you aren't using it as
a station monitor, you can use it on 2/1.25/70cm TX.
73,
Leigh/WA5ZNU
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:25 pm, Darwin, Keith wrote:

> So how about another idea.  I want a separate receiver in the shack.
> Something to use as a backup.  Something I can use to monitor my the TX
> signal from my K2 so I can hear what it is really doing.  Features
> would
> include:
>
> - Medium size or larger controls.
> - General coverage SW receive (1.5 - 30 MHz)
> - 1 KHz display resolution.
> - Low noise, great sound so you can really tell what your TX signal
> sounds like.
> - AM / SSB / CW coverage
> - wide / medium / narrow filters
> - Low cost ($300)
>
> Nice to have includes
>
> - Analog S-Meter.
> - Memories
> - IF shift
> - External mute
> - Fast / Slow / Off AGC speeds
> - RF gain control
> - Synchronous AGC
>
> I guess I'm looking for a modern Drake 2B / R-4B but with full
> coverage.
>
> - Keith KD1E -
> - K2 5411 -
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RE: Elecraft GC receiver?

Darwin, Keith
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-----Original Message-----
From:  David Toepfer
> I want a separate receiver in the shack.
> [...]
> - Low cost ($300)

Man, you are funny.

--------------------


Yea, but looks aren't everything :-)

If Elecraft can build a transceiver for less than $300 that gives RX
coverage from 6 to 16 MHz (or whatever the KX1 does) then I bet they can
do a receiver for the same, give or take.  No TX components, no TX/RX
switching, use a bit bigger case, bigger knobs, analog S-meter, etc.

Yea, I bet they could.

What I'd REALLY like is K2 level RX performance from a dedicated
receiver for $150 but that ain't gonna happen.

LOL!

73!

- Keith KD1E -
- K2 5411 -
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For Sale New K2

W6NEK
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Hello Fellow Elecrafters,
I have for sale a newly assembled, tested and aligned K2.

If anyone is interested in a professionally built (plug & play) K2 please
check out this link:
http://www.w6nek.com/K2/5632.html
(caution, above link contains 15 photos, 2.37 megs - pretty slow if you have
a dial-up account)

This is my 12th K2 kit and it was as much fun to build as my first.

Thanks for the bandwidth,
Frank - W6NEK

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Re: Elecraft GC receiver?

N2EY
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In a message dated 7/31/06 3:25:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> We all want a K2-B (K2 with big knobs & display) and I'm sure Elecraft
> Engineering is working on it as we speak.


Well, some of us want one (I suggest the name K2Big). But I don't know that
the folks in Aptos are working on it, because the market may not be there for
it.
>
> So how about another idea.  I want a separate receiver in the shack.
> Something to use as a backup.  Something I can use to monitor my the TX
> signal from my K2 so I can hear what it is really doing.  Features would
> include:
>
> - Medium size or larger controls.

How big is that? To me, "medium size" means 1" diameter for most controls and
2-3" for tuning.

> - General coverage SW receive (1.5 - 30 MHz)

That's a problem - see below.

> - 1 KHz display resolution.

Not a problem, really.


> - Low noise, great sound so you can really tell what your TX signal
> sounds like.

The problem is that there's a conflict between that and the general
coverage/low cost criteria.

The usual way to get general coverage these days is to convert up to a first
IF around 70 MHz, then convert down to a second IF of 9 MHz or so. This
approach preduces spurs and similar problems.

The problem is that you have at least two stages before the serious
selectivity, and the demands on the synthesizer are much tougher. The K2 avoids these
problems with a unique synthesizer design and a single IF of 4.915 MHz. That
approach works great for the ham bands but isn't well adapted to the ham bands.


> - AM / SSB / CW coverage
> - wide / medium / narrow filters

That means separate filters, and a way to switch them. Not inexpensive.


> - Low cost ($300)
>

If anybody can do it, Elecraft can. But it may not be doable at all.

Consider a K2 with the transmitter section removed. You'd save the finals, a
mixer, some control circuitry, and a few other things. But would you save half
the cost of the rig? I doubt it.


> Nice to have includes
>
> - Analog S-Meter.
> - Memories
> - IF shift

IF shift is rather complicated to implement. Either you need another
conversion in the IF chain, or some way of moving the BFO one way while moving the
synthesizer  the other way exactly the same amount. Not easy!

> - External mute
> - Fast / Slow / Off AGC speeds
> - RF gain control
>
All pretty basic - why would they be extras? I say they were essentials.


> - Synchronous AGC
>

?? What is synchronous AGC?



> I guess I'm looking for a modern Drake 2B / R-4B but with full coverage.

Those receivers are really good but they lack many of the above features too.


What about things like a noise blanker, computer control port or DSP?  

73 de Jim, N2EY

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Re: For Sale New K2

W6NEK
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Hello All,
The subject K2 has been SOLD.
Thank you for the response and comments regarding this K2.

73,
Frank - W6NEK

----- Original Message -----
From: "W6NEK" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 3:47 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale New K2


> Hello Fellow Elecrafters,
> I have for sale a newly assembled, tested and aligned K2.
>
> If anyone is interested in a professionally built (plug & play) K2 please
> check out this link:
> http://www.w6nek.com/K2/5632.html
> (caution, above link contains 15 photos, 2.37 megs - pretty slow if you
> have a dial-up account)
>
> This is my 12th K2 kit and it was as much fun to build as my first.
>
> Thanks for the bandwidth,
> Frank - W6NEK

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Re: Elecraft GC receiver?

Petr Ouředník
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Keith,

I am a bit surprised with Your 1kHz display resolution requirement > its not too much, no? K2 has 10Hz tuning resolution...

72, Petr OK1RP

>  ------------ Původní zpráva ------------
>  Od: Darwin, Keith <[hidden email]>
>  PÅ™edmÄ›t: [Elecraft] Elecraft GC receiver?
>  Datum: 31.7.2006 21:25:08
>  ----------------------------------------
>  We all want a K2-B (K2 with big knobs & display) and I'm sure Elecraft
>  Engineering is working on it as we speak.
>  
>  So how about another idea.  I want a separate receiver in the shack.
>  Something to use as a backup.  Something I can use to monitor my the TX
>  signal from my K2 so I can hear what it is really doing.  Features would
>  include:
>  
>  - Medium size or larger controls.
>  - General coverage SW receive (1.5 - 30 MHz)
>  - 1 KHz display resolution.
>  - Low noise, great sound so you can really tell what your TX signal
>  sounds like.
>  - AM / SSB / CW coverage
>  - wide / medium / narrow filters
>  - Low cost ($300)
>  
>  Nice to have includes
>  
>  - Analog S-Meter.
>  - Memories
>  - IF shift
>  - External mute
>  - Fast / Slow / Off AGC speeds
>  - RF gain control
>  - Synchronous AGC
>  
>  I guess I'm looking for a modern Drake 2B / R-4B but with full coverage.
>  
>  - Keith KD1E -
>  - K2 5411 -
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RE: Elecraft GC receiver?

Darwin, Keith
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-----Original Message-----
Jim replies (>) to my original message (>>) ...

>> - Medium size or larger controls.

>How big is that? To me, "medium size" means 1" diameter
> for most controls and 2-3" for tuning.

Yep, sounds sweet to me.


> The problem is that there's a conflict between that
> and the general coverage/low cost criteria.

Well, I don't know enough to discuss this but it sure seems to me that
someone could come up with an R-4B style design using modern parts that
would be easy to build and pretty cheap.  Well, you'd think it would be
at least.  After all that rig was nothing more than a receiver that
could cover a number of 500 KHz bands and it did it pretty well.
Today's approach of using synthesizers has its drawbacks.  It may give
us more bells & whistles (memories, direct freq entry) but it brought a
bunch of issues that needed to be solved as well.

> Consider a K2 with the transmitter section removed.
> You'd save the finals, a mixer, some control circuitry,
> and a few other things. But would you save half
> the cost of the rig? I doubt it.

Agreed, but what if you started with a ... KX1?  That rig is already
close to what I'm asking for (close enough that maybe it will be my next
rig).  I'm not looking for K2 contest level performance, just something
that can tune around and do an OK job receiving and something that has
good sound.  Simple is good.


>> - Synchronous AGC

>  ?? What is synchronous AGC?

Oops, I meant synchronous AM detection ...



>> I guess I'm looking for a modern Drake 2B / R-4B but with full
coverage.

> Those receivers are really good but they lack many of the above
features too.

Actually, they have most of what I listed, except for memories and a low
price.  True they were not general coverage, but with a handful of
crystals (remember those :-) you could teach them to cover the bands you
were interested in.  To me that's good enough.


> What about things like a noise blanker, computer control port or DSP?


Computer control & DSP?  Well, I for one would be very happy to do
without those to save some money.  

Thanks Jim!

73!

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- K2 5411 -
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Re: Elecraft GC receiver?

Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy-2
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Keith KD1E wrote:

Well, I don't know enough to discuss this but it sure seems to me that
someone could come up with an R-4B style design using modern parts that
would be easy to build and pretty cheap.  Well, you'd think it would be
at least.  After all that rig was nothing more than a receiver that
could cover a number of 500 KHz bands and it did it pretty well.
Today's approach of using synthesizers has its drawbacks.  It may give
us more bells & whistles (memories, direct freq entry) but it brought a
bunch of issues that needed to be solved as well.

 -----------------------------------------------------------

 Methinks that a Direct Conversion receiver is worth considering with a pair
 of robust mixers up front, preferably not diode rings, and with a premix
 type of LO - bag of crystals or maybe a few crystals. You would probably
 have to settle for 50 - 60db of unwanted sideband suppression in CW and SSB
 modes if not using audio notching, but you get CW, USB, LSB, AM, and a form
 of Binaural output. Bandwidth determined by filters at audio. All quite
 simple.

 Amen to your comment about synthesizers, although improvements are being
 made.

 73,
Geoff
GM4ESD



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N2EY
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In a message dated 8/1/06 12:32:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> -----Original Message-----
> Jim replies (>) to my original message (>>) ...
>
> >> - Medium size or larger controls.
>
> >How big is that? To me, "medium size" means 1" diameter
> > for most controls and 2-3" for tuning.
>
> Yep, sounds sweet to me.

That means a pretty big front panel, because knobs that size fill up lots of
space. You wind up with a front panel that looks like this:

http://www.qsl.net/k5bcq/Jim/SilverRX1.jpg

http://hometown.aol.com/n2ey/myhomepage/

>
> > The problem is that there's a conflict between that
> > and the general coverage/low cost criteria.
>
> Well, I don't know enough to discuss this but it sure seems to me that
> someone could come up with an R-4B style design using modern parts that
> would be easy to build and pretty cheap.

Only if it's possible. There are a bunch of issues to be resolved in such a
design, and they all involve compromises.

 Well, you'd think it would be
>
> at least.

Why would I think that?

 After all that rig was nothing more than a receiver that
>
> could cover a number of 500 KHz bands and it did it pretty well.

And look what an R-4 cost! Adjust the price of an R-4 (ABC, whatever) to 2006
dollars and be ready for a shock.

> Today's approach of using synthesizers has its drawbacks.  It may give
> us more bells & whistles (memories, direct freq entry) but it brought a
> bunch of issues that needed to be solved as well.
>

Synthesizers became popular for whole bunch of reasons. One of them was cost.


The R-4 family use a premixer design. There's a tunable oscillator (PTO)
controlled by the tuning knob. There's a crystal oscillator with a crystal for
each 500 kc. segment. The outputs of the two oscillators are mixed in a
"premixer", then filtered, to generate the local oscillator signal that mixes with the
incoming signals in the first mixer (a 6EJ7 IIRC).

Such a design uses a lot of custom-made parts. The PTO and dial assembly are
mostly precision mechanical parts. There's a custom-made crystal for each 500
kc segment. Custom-made crystals cost several dollars each in the R-4's day
and even more now. Most of the coils in the premixer are custom made, as is the
bandswitch. Even with Drake's buying power, all those custom parts push the
price up.

A big part of cost reduction is using stock parts rather than custom ones.
While homebrewers can use one-of-a-kinds, surplus, and "found parts",
manufacturers are pretty much forced to use current-production new parts.

One of the elegant features of Elecraft designs is its almost complete lack
of custom parts. In a K2, the case, circuit boards, the firmware chip and xtals
are the only custom parts. The firmware chip is a stock part that Elecraft
programs, and the  xtals are selected microprocessor crystals.

> > Consider a K2 with the transmitter section removed.
> > You'd save the finals, a mixer, some control circuitry,
> > and a few other things. But would you save half
> > the cost of the rig? I doubt it.
>
> Agreed, but what if you started with a ... KX1?  That rig is already
> close to what I'm asking for (close enough that maybe it will be my next
> rig).

And look what a KX1 costs! Remove the transmitter section and you'll save
some money, but you'll spend it all on other things like a bigger case and custom
filters.

  I'm not looking for K2 contest level performance, just something
>
> that can tune around and do an OK job receiving and something that has
> good sound.

Can the KX1 drive a speaker?

 Simple is good.
>
>

The KX1 is hardly simple!
>
> >> - Synchronous AGC
>
> >  ?? What is synchronous AGC?
>
> Oops, I meant synchronous AM detection ...
>
>

OK - whole bunch of issues with that.
>
> >> I guess I'm looking for a modern Drake 2B / R-4B but with full
> coverage.
>
> > Those receivers are really good but they lack many of the above
> features too.
>
> Actually, they have most of what I listed, except for memories and a low
> price.

See above for the cost problem.

  True they were not general coverage, but with a handful of
>
> crystals (remember those :-) you could teach them to cover the bands you
> were interested in.  To me that's good enough.
>

Then and now, the crystal cost was a big issue. Covering 1.5 to 30 takes 57
crystals! If the stock R-4 comes with 9 crystals, you need to come up with 48
more....
>
> > What about things like a noise blanker, computer control port or DSP?
>
>
> Computer control & DSP?  Well, I for one would be very happy to do
> without those to save some money.  
>

There's another point: A lot of the market would want those features.
Elecraft neatly solves the problem by making many features optional, which permits
those who are not interested to leave them out, and also permits those who have
limited resources to add them later rather than having to buy everything at
once.


> Thanks Jim!
>

You're welcome!

73 de Jim, N2EY
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Re: Elecraft GC receiver?

David Toepfer
This conversation has coincided with some decisions I have been making
radio-wise lately, FWIW.

Also being a member of the AM/Boatanchor croud, there always seems to be a big
push to get GC receivers.  But I was listening to a friend recently on the air
who has owned an R-390A for years (arguably the top of the top in (heavy) tube
receivers) and now and finds himself not using it at all, but instead using
what some would argue are lesser ham-band-only receivers.  And I started
thinking, how many GC receivers do I need (I already have a Drake R-8B w/ VHF
converter), given the dearth of shortwave broadcasts and the apparent winnowing
of shortwave proadcast content.

If I am going to be engaged in QSO's or monitoring my own signals wth a
receiver, I don't transmit outside the ham bands.  Ham-band-only receivers in
general are more stable, precise, quiet, simple, and affordable and a
comparably designed GC RX.

Don't get me wrong.  If Elecraft came out with a GC RX kit I would certainly be
in line to buy/build/use one.  But don't you think they are doing a stellar job
of supporting the QRP/CW/Builder communities with products we will want to
buy/build/use?  Do we really weant to encourage them to dilute their efforts
and loose their focus on who cares most about their products?  Many a company
has gone broke designing something that was agreed to be great but that few
bought because of the expense required to produce it.

I say good job to Elecraft.  I can't wait to see what you are coming out with
next.

David, K3TUE
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Re: Elecraft GC receiver?

Ian Stirling, G4ICV, AB2GR
On Tuesday 01 August 2006 22:13, David Toepfer wrote:

> Ham-band-only receivers in
> general are more stable, precise, quiet, simple, and affordable and a
> comparably designed GC RX.

  Isn't it telling that the Ten-Tec Orion II has
two separate receivers, one amateur bands only and
the other general coverage?
 My K2 with 160m on the amateur bands is all I need.

Ian, G4ICV, AB2GR, K2 #4962
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Re: Elecraft GC receiver?

Dr. Dan Swartling
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I would like Elecraft to come out with two kits that Ten-Tec seems to want
to languish or discontinue:

1. Yes, a general coverage receiver. But 0-60MHz and AM/SSB/CW/FM.
Shortwave is still active and there are still many utility stations to tune
in, including RTTY. And the receiver has to have the dynamics of a K2. and
make it with options available for those who want to add them, like the K2.
And price it at $500.00, which would be a reasonable price. It could even
be designed to use the same DSP and computer I/O as the K2.

2. I always wanted to build a Ten-Tec 2m rig. Elecraft could easily
engineer a better FM radio though, in my opinion. And while you are at it,
make it an FM-only 144/220/440/902/1270 transceiver, where each band is a
daughterboard that plugs into a main RF board. Each daughterboard would
have its own memory for storing info. With optional amp like the Ten-Tec
rig. This would be a complimentary rig to the K2/Transverter lineup,
because that match covers SSB/CW.

These may be crazy to think about, but I am seriously considering
homebrewing #2 myself.

And don't forget #3, the XG3 WARC band signal generator, which is just an
XG2 with new crystals for 30, 17 and 12 meters.

Okay, feel free to laugh now...

Dan


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K2  #xxxx  

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Re: Elecraft GC receiver?

w6jd
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With the large number of "give-away  priced" 2 meter "rice boxes" I can't imagine why Elecraft would want to devote its resources to such a project. The same is true of SWL receivers. I have a Radio Shack all band AM/SSB/CW receiver
that I recall cost me about $150.00. Admittedly it doesn't have variable bandwidth and other bells and whistles but its fine for SWLing and listening to your own signal when needed.

Just MHO.

Doug,
W6JD

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Dr. Dan Swartling" <[hidden email]>

> I would like Elecraft to come out with two kits that Ten-Tec seems to want
> to languish or discontinue:
>
> 1. Yes, a general coverage receiver. But 0-60MHz and AM/SSB/CW/FM.
> Shortwave is still active and there are still many utility stations to tune
> in, including RTTY. And the receiver has to have the dynamics of a K2. and
> make it with options available for those who want to add them, like the K2.
> And price it at $500.00, which would be a reasonable price. It could even
> be designed to use the same DSP and computer I/O as the K2.
>
> 2. I always wanted to build a Ten-Tec 2m rig. Elecraft could easily
> engineer a better FM radio though, in my opinion. And while you are at it,
> make it an FM-only 144/220/440/902/1270 transceiver, where each band is a
> daughterboard that plugs into a main RF board. Each daughterboard would
> have its own memory for storing info. With optional amp like the Ten-Tec
> rig. This would be a complimentary rig to the K2/Transverter lineup,
> because that match covers SSB/CW.
>
> These may be crazy to think about, but I am seriously considering
> homebrewing #2 myself.
>
> And don't forget #3, the XG3 WARC band signal generator, which is just an
> XG2 with new crystals for 30, 17 and 12 meters.
>
> Okay, feel free to laugh now...
>
> Dan
>
>
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> K1 #2222
> K2 #xxxx
>
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Re: Elecraft GC receiver?

David Toepfer
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> I would like Elecraft to come out with [...]:
>
> 1. Yes, a general coverage receiver. But 0-60MHz and AM/SSB/CW/FM.
> [...]
> And price it at $500.00, which would be a reasonable price. It could even
> be designed to use the same DSP and computer I/O as the K2.

A smart idea.  I would buy one.


> 2. I always wanted to build a Ten-Tec 2m rig. Elecraft could easily
> engineer a better FM radio though, in my opinion. And while you are at it,
> make it an FM-only 144/220/440/902/1270 transceiver, where each band is a
> daughterboard that plugs into a main RF board. [...]

Include 10m and 6m boards and I would be in on this one too.


> Okay, feel free to laugh now...

Na.  These seem fair suggestions to me.


David, K3TUE
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Re: Elecraft GC receiver?

k2pq
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I already have an Elecraft GC receiver...... my KX1...  
and smaller than my last SWL kit..... a Heathkit GR-64 circa 1965. :)

Frank..... K2PQ

-------------- Original message --------------
From: [hidden email]

> With the large number of "give-away priced" 2 meter "rice boxes" I can't
> imagine why Elecraft would want to devote its resources to such a project. The
> same is true of SWL receivers. I have a Radio Shack all band AM/SSB/CW receiver
> that I recall cost me about $150.00. Admittedly it doesn't have variable
> bandwidth and other bells and whistles but its fine for SWLing and listening to
> your own signal when needed.
>
> Just MHO.
>
> Doug,
> W6JD
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Dr. Dan Swartling"
>
> > I would like Elecraft to come out with two kits that Ten-Tec seems to want
> > to languish or discontinue:
> >
> > 1. Yes, a general coverage receiver. But 0-60MHz and AM/SSB/CW/FM.
> > Shortwave is still active and there are still many utility stations to tune
> > in, including RTTY. And the receiver has to have the dynamics of a K2. and
> > make it with options available for those who want to add them, like the K2.
> > And price it at $500.00, which would be a reasonable price. It could even
> > be designed to use the same DSP and computer I/O as the K2.
> >
> > 2. I always wanted to build a Ten-Tec 2m rig. Elecraft could easily
> > engineer a better FM radio though, in my opinion. And while you are at it,
> > make it an FM-only 144/220/440/902/1270 transceiver, where each band is a
> > daughterboard that plugs into a main RF board. Each daughterboard would
> > have its own memory for storing info. With optional amp like the Ten-Tec
> > rig. This would be a complimentary rig to the K2/Transverter lineup,
> > because that match covers SSB/CW.
> >
> > These may be crazy to think about, but I am seriously considering
> > homebrewing #2 myself.
> >
> > And don't forget #3, the XG3 WARC band signal generator, which is just an
> > XG2 with new crystals for 30, 17 and 12 meters.
> >
> > Okay, feel free to laugh now...
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
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> > K1 #2222
> > K2 #xxxx
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