Elecraft KX2 compared with the latest "Ultra Portable" (?)

[wayne burdick]

A number of customers considering the KX2 have asked us how it compares to the newly announced Yaesu FT-818. The latter is an updated ‘817, with a bit higher power output.

In terms of form factor, the ‘818 is essentially unchanged from the ‘817. So it’s worth asking again: just how “ultra portable” can an HF radio be?

Here’s how the KX2 stacks up:


--- Half the size ---

   The KX2 occupies 24 cubic inches, vs. 52 cubic inches for the ‘818. With dimensions about that of a medium-sized HT, the KX2 is truly pocket-sized.


--- Half the weight ---

   At just 13 ounces, the KX2 weighs 60% less than the ‘818. For hikers or backpackers, this means well over a pound of total weight saved. The light weight of the KX2 is also compatible with extended hand-held operation.


--- Twice the power output ---

   The KX2 puts out up to 12 watts on 80-20 m and 10 watts on 17-10 m. This is roughly twice the FT-818’s max output (6 watts). The KX2 also includes highly effective speech compression (not included with the ‘818). Taken together, these advantages translate to more QSOs, especially in difficult conditions.


--- 50% more battery power ---

   The FT-818’s internal battery, at 18 watt-hours, has more capacity than the FT-817’s. But the KX2’s internal battery has still greater capacity -- 24 watt-hours. This extra 50% allows you to operate longer between recharges.


--- One third the current drain ---

   Typical receive-mode current drain of the KX2 is 150 mA. The FT-818, at about 400 mA, is nearly three times higher. The KX2’s lower current, combined with the larger battery size, works out to over 4 times longer operating time RX-only, or 2 to 3 times longer for typical transceive operation.


--- Built-in ATU ---

   The KX2 has a wide-range internal ATU option that allows multi-band use of ad-hoc field antennas, whips, etc. There’s no need to carry a separate antenna tuner, loading coils, or even coax: just attach a wire or collapsible whip directly to the radio, and let the ATU do the work.


--- DSP ---

   Unlike the ‘818 or ‘817, the KX2 includes digital signal processing (32-bit I.F. DSP). This provides a wide range of features typically found only on desktop radios, including: adjustable noise reduction and noise blanking, auto-notch, variable filter bandwidth/shift, audio peaking filter for CW, full stereo receive, and RX/TX EQ. You can even listen on both VFO A and B frequencies at the same time (dual watch).


--- Built-in data modes ---

   The KX2 offers built-in PSK31, PSK63, RTTY, and CW encode/decode, with text displayed on its alphanumeric LCD. CW and data-mode QSOs can even be logged internally, then sent to a PC when you return from a field outing. A computer can be connected to the KX2 via the supplied USB cable (for text display/keyboard) or via the headphone/mic jacks (for FT8 and other audio-based data modes).


--- Built-in mic, keyer paddle, and tilt stand ---

   You can use either an external mic (MH4) or the KX2’s internal mic. The internal mic is positioned optimally for HT-style operation. In CW and DATA modes, you can use an external paddle, or directly attach our KXPD2, which weighs only one ounce and uses the rig itself as the base. For table-top use, the KX2 features a fold-out tilt-stand. This creates a 3-point mount that also works well on rough surfaces (ground, rocks, etc.).


--- Large, easy-to-read display ---

   The KX2’s display is five times larger than the FT818’s, with separate VFO A and B fields, S/RF-meter and DSP passband graphic, icons showing operating state, and alphanumeric text capability. In addition, the KX2’s LCD is transflective; it is highly readable in direct sunlight. The backlight is highly efficient and can be turned off to further increase battery life.


The KX2 starts at $769, factory assembled. For additional details, see:

    http://www.elecraft.com/KX2/kx2.htm


A few notes on the KX3
----------------------

The KX3 is a bit larger than the KX2, though still smaller/lighter than competing all-band portables. It includes the following additional features:  160 and 6 meters; 2 or 4 meter optional internal transverter; nearly twice as many direct controls; and RX I/Q outputs for use with our PX3 panadapter or computer sound cards. The KX3 is available factory assembled or as a no-soldering kit.

KX3 details:

    http://www.elecraft.com/KX3/kx3.htm


* * *

If you have any additional questions about the KX2 or KX3, feel free to email me directly or contact Elecraft sales.

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[Paul Stoetzer]

Produce a KX4 with 2m, 70cm, and full-duplex capability and you'd
consign the FT-81X line to the dustbin of history!

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:

> A number of customers considering the KX2 have asked us how it compares to the newly announced Yaesu FT-818. The latter is an updated ‘817, with a bit higher power output.
>
> In terms of form factor, the ‘818 is essentially unchanged from the ‘817. So it’s worth asking again: just how “ultra portable” can an HF radio be?
>
> Here’s how the KX2 stacks up:
>
>
> --- Half the size ---
>
>    The KX2 occupies 24 cubic inches, vs. 52 cubic inches for the ‘818. With dimensions about that of a medium-sized HT, the KX2 is truly pocket-sized.
>
>
> --- Half the weight ---
>
>    At just 13 ounces, the KX2 weighs 60% less than the ‘818. For hikers or backpackers, this means well over a pound of total weight saved. The light weight of the KX2 is also compatible with extended hand-held operation.
>
>
> --- Twice the power output ---
>
>    The KX2 puts out up to 12 watts on 80-20 m and 10 watts on 17-10 m. This is roughly twice the FT-818’s max output (6 watts). The KX2 also includes highly effective speech compression (not included with the ‘818). Taken together, these advantages translate to more QSOs, especially in difficult conditions.
>
>
> --- 50% more battery power ---
>
>    The FT-818’s internal battery, at 18 watt-hours, has more capacity than the FT-817’s. But the KX2’s internal battery has still greater capacity -- 24 watt-hours. This extra 50% allows you to operate longer between recharges.
>
>
> --- One third the current drain ---
>
>    Typical receive-mode current drain of the KX2 is 150 mA. The FT-818, at about 400 mA, is nearly three times higher. The KX2’s lower current, combined with the larger battery size, works out to over 4 times longer operating time RX-only, or 2 to 3 times longer for typical transceive operation.
>
>
> --- Built-in ATU ---
>
>    The KX2 has a wide-range internal ATU option that allows multi-band use of ad-hoc field antennas, whips, etc. There’s no need to carry a separate antenna tuner, loading coils, or even coax: just attach a wire or collapsible whip directly to the radio, and let the ATU do the work.
>
>
> --- DSP ---
>
>    Unlike the ‘818 or ‘817, the KX2 includes digital signal processing (32-bit I.F. DSP). This provides a wide range of features typically found only on desktop radios, including: adjustable noise reduction and noise blanking, auto-notch, variable filter bandwidth/shift, audio peaking filter for CW, full stereo receive, and RX/TX EQ. You can even listen on both VFO A and B frequencies at the same time (dual watch).
>
>
> --- Built-in data modes ---
>
>    The KX2 offers built-in PSK31, PSK63, RTTY, and CW encode/decode, with text displayed on its alphanumeric LCD. CW and data-mode QSOs can even be logged internally, then sent to a PC when you return from a field outing. A computer can be connected to the KX2 via the supplied USB cable (for text display/keyboard) or via the headphone/mic jacks (for FT8 and other audio-based data modes).
>
>
> --- Built-in mic, keyer paddle, and tilt stand ---
>
>    You can use either an external mic (MH4) or the KX2’s internal mic. The internal mic is positioned optimally for HT-style operation. In CW and DATA modes, you can use an external paddle, or directly attach our KXPD2, which weighs only one ounce and uses the rig itself as the base. For table-top use, the KX2 features a fold-out tilt-stand. This creates a 3-point mount that also works well on rough surfaces (ground, rocks, etc.).
>
>
> --- Large, easy-to-read display ---
>
>    The KX2’s display is five times larger than the FT818’s, with separate VFO A and B fields, S/RF-meter and DSP passband graphic, icons showing operating state, and alphanumeric text capability. In addition, the KX2’s LCD is transflective; it is highly readable in direct sunlight. The backlight is highly efficient and can be turned off to further increase battery life.
>
>
> The KX2 starts at $769, factory assembled. For additional details, see:
>
>     http://www.elecraft.com/KX2/kx2.htm
>
>
> A few notes on the KX3
> ----------------------
>
> The KX3 is a bit larger than the KX2, though still smaller/lighter than competing all-band portables. It includes the following additional features:  160 and 6 meters; 2 or 4 meter optional internal transverter; nearly twice as many direct controls; and RX I/Q outputs for use with our PX3 panadapter or computer sound cards. The KX3 is available factory assembled or as a no-soldering kit.
>
> KX3 details:
>
>     http://www.elecraft.com/KX3/kx3.htm
>
>
> * * *
>
> If you have any additional questions about the KX2 or KX3, feel free to email me directly or contact Elecraft sales.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[Raymond Sills]

Hi Paul:


And... that's the argument that FT-817 owners have used for staying with the 817... the KX rigs do not have 2 M or 70cm capability
and all modes, as well.  Those owners live with the poor battery performance, etc., or buy aftermarket alternatives.  By the time it all gets added up, it's expensive.  But.... you do have that extra VHF/UHF capability, and that's worth it for them.


73 de Ray
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-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX2 compared with the latest "Ultra Portable" (?)

Produce a KX4 with 2m, 70cm, and full-duplex capability and you'dconsign the FT-81X line to the dustbin of history!73,Paul, N8HM
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[kevino z]

Wayne if you guys made an all mode UHF VHF full duplex radio for satellite ops, you’d made a lot of people happy and fill an area that folks are having to buy two 817’s to accomplish....
just my two cents
-Kevin (KK4YEL)

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On Mar 1, 2018, at 12:33, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:

A number of customers considering the KX2 have asked us how it compares to the newly announced Yaesu FT-818. The latter is an updated ‘817, with a bit higher power output.

In terms of form factor, the ‘818 is essentially unchanged from the ‘817. So it’s worth asking again: just how “ultra portable” can an HF radio be?

Here’s how the KX2 stacks up:


--- Half the size ---

  The KX2 occupies 24 cubic inches, vs. 52 cubic inches for the ‘818. With dimensions about that of a medium-sized HT, the KX2 is truly pocket-sized.


--- Half the weight ---

  At just 13 ounces, the KX2 weighs 60% less than the ‘818. For hikers or backpackers, this means well over a pound of total weight saved. The light weight of the KX2 is also compatible with extended hand-held operation.


--- Twice the power output ---

  The KX2 puts out up to 12 watts on 80-20 m and 10 watts on 17-10 m. This is roughly twice the FT-818’s max output (6 watts). The KX2 also includes highly effective speech compression (not included with the ‘818). Taken together, these advantages translate to more QSOs, especially in difficult conditions.


--- 50% more battery power ---

  The FT-818’s internal battery, at 18 watt-hours, has more capacity than the FT-817’s. But the KX2’s internal battery has still greater capacity -- 24 watt-hours. This extra 50% allows you to operate longer between recharges.


--- One third the current drain ---

  Typical receive-mode current drain of the KX2 is 150 mA. The FT-818, at about 400 mA, is nearly three times higher. The KX2’s lower current, combined with the larger battery size, works out to over 4 times longer operating time RX-only, or 2 to 3 times longer for typical transceive operation.


--- Built-in ATU ---

  The KX2 has a wide-range internal ATU option that allows multi-band use of ad-hoc field antennas, whips, etc. There’s no need to carry a separate antenna tuner, loading coils, or even coax: just attach a wire or collapsible whip directly to the radio, and let the ATU do the work.


--- DSP ---

  Unlike the ‘818 or ‘817, the KX2 includes digital signal processing (32-bit I.F. DSP). This provides a wide range of features typically found only on desktop radios, including: adjustable noise reduction and noise blanking, auto-notch, variable filter bandwidth/shift, audio peaking filter for CW, full stereo receive, and RX/TX EQ. You can even listen on both VFO A and B frequencies at the same time (dual watch).


--- Built-in data modes ---

  The KX2 offers built-in PSK31, PSK63, RTTY, and CW encode/decode, with text displayed on its alphanumeric LCD. CW and data-mode QSOs can even be logged internally, then sent to a PC when you return from a field outing. A computer can be connected to the KX2 via the supplied USB cable (for text display/keyboard) or via the headphone/mic jacks (for FT8 and other audio-based data modes).


--- Built-in mic, keyer paddle, and tilt stand ---

  You can use either an external mic (MH4) or the KX2’s internal mic. The internal mic is positioned optimally for HT-style operation. In CW and DATA modes, you can use an external paddle, or directly attach our KXPD2, which weighs only one ounce and uses the rig itself as the base. For table-top use, the KX2 features a fold-out tilt-stand. This creates a 3-point mount that also works well on rough surfaces (ground, rocks, etc.).


--- Large, easy-to-read display ---

  The KX2’s display is five times larger than the FT818’s, with separate VFO A and B fields, S/RF-meter and DSP passband graphic, icons showing operating state, and alphanumeric text capability. In addition, the KX2’s LCD is transflective; it is highly readable in direct sunlight. The backlight is highly efficient and can be turned off to further increase battery life.


The KX2 starts at $769, factory assembled. For additional details, see:

   https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elecraft.com%2FKX2%2Fkx2.htm&data=02%7C01%7C%7C61cfba06eb164da32df208d57f9a92b7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636555224214991658&sdata=wBnqiZJVf8RPitRmkPdpGUvMMpv0iR23gZyN8ILsegA%3D&reserved=0


A few notes on the KX3
----------------------

The KX3 is a bit larger than the KX2, though still smaller/lighter than competing all-band portables. It includes the following additional features:  160 and 6 meters; 2 or 4 meter optional internal transverter; nearly twice as many direct controls; and RX I/Q outputs for use with our PX3 panadapter or computer sound cards. The KX3 is available factory assembled or as a no-soldering kit.

KX3 details:

   https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elecraft.com%2FKX3%2Fkx3.htm&data=02%7C01%7C%7C61cfba06eb164da32df208d57f9a92b7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636555224214991658&sdata=E0oYqgfUq4Nut3dGJTnYa%2FkEgGBynkyHLURdvLbxRIo%3D&reserved=0


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[alorona]

Poor Wayne. No matter how he positions an Elecraft product, a prevailing response is, "Yeah, but Elecraft doesn't do A or B."

As consumers, we have been perfectly conditioned to regard more as better. I mean, if Brand X has 'more' than Brand Y, we automatically declare Brand X the winner. Brand X covers more bands? It's better. Brand X has more ADC bits? It *must* be better!

There's something to be said about *doing* something better, as opposed to simply *having* more, isn't there? Wayne touched on this when he pointed out the huge discrepancy in current drain between the two rigs. As you know, this is hugely important for any portable or solar-powered situation. It is a major reason why, just for instance, I could not  for a moment consider the new Icom 7610 because of it's 3x current drain versus the K3. My station is solar-powered and I have to worry about this. So that's a primary consideration for me, regardless of how much 'more' the 7610 may have.

Simply having more isn't necessarily better. I know that's counterintuitive, but only because of our consumer conditioning.

Al  W6LX
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On 3/1/2018 12:34 PM, Al Lorona wrote:
> Simply having more isn't necessarily better.

Agreed for all the reasons you cited, Al. Good VHF/UHF FM rigs are
pretty inexpensive, whether in mobile or talkie format. When I lived in
"flatland" (Chicago) and traveled occasionally to other cities for
business or pleasure, I was plenty happy with a Kenwood TH-F6A and a low
power talkie amp. Here in NorCal, with mountain ridges separating
communities, I have a Kenwood VHF/UHF rig in my SUV. And on the rare
occasions I want to work small signal 2M, I fire up a vintage Elecraft
transverter (rarely because I live on the wrong side of the ridge).

73, Jim K9YC

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[Don Wilhelm]

Al,

I am with you - I have more buttons and features on my new car than I
ever want to learn to use.
In addition, it does "funny things" that I do not want and cannot shut
off - like when I go out the driveway and open the door (not getting out
of the driver seat) to reach out and pick up the newspaper, it puts on
the parking brake.  That is NOT good if I then have to move the car
forward or back a bit to reach the paper.

Coming home, if I step out of the car (in Park and still running) to
open the mailbox and collect the mail, it sometimes turns itself off,
and I have to restart it.

This car was obviously not designed for those who live in rural areas
with very long driveways.

I know, not a ham radio related response - please forgive me!

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/1/2018 3:34 PM, Al Lorona wrote:

>
> Simply having more isn't necessarily better. I know that's counterintuitive, but only because of our consumer conditioning.
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[Paul Stoetzer]

VHF/UHF SSB rigs are not. Yaesu has the only "ultra portable" radio
with 2m and 70cm SSB/CW/AM.

I would absolutely love a KX2/KX3 style full-duplex VHF/UHF radio.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 4:09 PM, Jim Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 3/1/2018 12:34 PM, Al Lorona wrote:
>>
>> Simply having more isn't necessarily better.
>
>
> Agreed for all the reasons you cited, Al. Good VHF/UHF FM rigs are pretty
> inexpensive, whether in mobile or talkie format. When I lived in "flatland"
> (Chicago) and traveled occasionally to other cities for business or
> pleasure, I was plenty happy with a Kenwood TH-F6A and a low power talkie
> amp. Here in NorCal, with mountain ridges separating communities, I have a
> Kenwood VHF/UHF rig in my SUV. And on the rare occasions I want to work
> small signal 2M, I fire up a vintage Elecraft transverter (rarely because I
> live on the wrong side of the ridge).
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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[Hajo Dezelski]

Don,

you made my day. You described the downside of driving a motorized calculator.

73 de Hajo dl1sdz
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On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:13 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Al,
>
> I am with you - I have more buttons and features on my new car than I ever
> want to learn to use.
> In addition, it does "funny things" that I do not want and cannot shut off -
> like when I go out the driveway and open the door (not getting out of the
> driver seat) to reach out and pick up the newspaper, it puts on the parking
> brake.  That is NOT good if I then have to move the car forward or back a
> bit to reach the paper.
>
> Coming home, if I step out of the car (in Park and still running) to open
> the mailbox and collect the mail, it sometimes turns itself off, and I have
> to restart it.
>
> This car was obviously not designed for those who live in rural areas with
> very long driveways.
>
> I know, not a ham radio related response - please forgive me!
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 3/1/2018 3:34 PM, Al Lorona wrote:
>
>>
>> Simply having more isn't necessarily better. I know that's
>> counterintuitive, but only because of our consumer conditioning.
>>
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I’ll second/third/fourth/etc. the thoughts on a KXn that favors linear satellite operations!  I’d grab one in a heartbeat!  Plus, three of a kind beats a pair, so I’d have a much better Elecraft poker hand.

 

-Brad Butler

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Wayne if you guys made an all mode UHF VHF full duplex radio for satellite ops, you’d made a lot of people happy and fill an area that folks are having to buy two 817’s to accomplish....  

just my two cents

-Kevin (KK4YEL)

 

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On Mar 1, 2018, at 12:33, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > wrote:

A number of customers considering the KX2 have asked us how it compares to the newly announced Yaesu FT-818. The latter is an updated ‘817, with a bit higher power output.

In terms of form factor, the ‘818 is essentially unchanged from the ‘817. So it’s worth asking again: just how “ultra portable” can an HF radio be?

Here’s how the KX2 stacks up:


--- Half the size ---

  The KX2 occupies 24 cubic inches, vs. 52 cubic inches for the ‘818. With dimensions about that of a medium-sized HT, the KX2 is truly pocket-sized.


--- Half the weight ---

  At just 13 ounces, the KX2 weighs 60% less than the ‘818. For hikers or backpackers, this means well over a pound of total weight saved. The light weight of the KX2 is also compatible with extended hand-held operation.


--- Twice the power output ---

  The KX2 puts out up to 12 watts on 80-20 m and 10 watts on 17-10 m. This is roughly twice the FT-818’s max output (6 watts). The KX2 also includes highly effective speech compression (not included with the ‘818). Taken together, these advantages translate to more QSOs, especially in difficult conditions.


--- 50% more battery power ---

  The FT-818’s internal battery, at 18 watt-hours, has more capacity than the FT-817’s. But the KX2’s internal battery has still greater capacity -- 24 watt-hours. This extra 50% allows you to operate longer between recharges.


--- One third the current drain ---

  Typical receive-mode current drain of the KX2 is 150 mA. The FT-818, at about 400 mA, is nearly three times higher. The KX2’s lower current, combined with the larger battery size, works out to over 4 times longer operating time RX-only, or 2 to 3 times longer for typical transceive operation.


--- Built-in ATU ---

  The KX2 has a wide-range internal ATU option that allows multi-band use of ad-hoc field antennas, whips, etc. There’s no need to carry a separate antenna tuner, loading coils, or even coax: just attach a wire or collapsible whip directly to the radio, and let the ATU do the work.


--- DSP ---

  Unlike the ‘818 or ‘817, the KX2 includes digital signal processing (32-bit I.F. DSP). This provides a wide range of features typically found only on desktop radios, including: adjustable noise reduction and noise blanking, auto-notch, variable filter bandwidth/shift, audio peaking filter for CW, full stereo receive, and RX/TX EQ. You can even listen on both VFO A and B frequencies at the same time (dual watch).


--- Built-in data modes ---

  The KX2 offers built-in PSK31, PSK63, RTTY, and CW encode/decode, with text displayed on its alphanumeric LCD. CW and data-mode QSOs can even be logged internally, then sent to a PC when you return from a field outing. A computer can be connected to the KX2 via the supplied USB cable (for text display/keyboard) or via the headphone/mic jacks (for FT8 and other audio-based data modes).


--- Built-in mic, keyer paddle, and tilt stand ---

  You can use either an external mic (MH4) or the KX2’s internal mic. The internal mic is positioned optimally for HT-style operation. In CW and DATA modes, you can use an external paddle, or directly attach our KXPD2, which weighs only one ounce and uses the rig itself as the base. For table-top use, the KX2 features a fold-out tilt-stand. This creates a 3-point mount that also works well on rough surfaces (ground, rocks, etc.).


--- Large, easy-to-read display ---

  The KX2’s display is five times larger than the FT818’s, with separate VFO A and B fields, S/RF-meter and DSP passband graphic, icons showing operating state, and alphanumeric text capability. In addition, the KX2’s LCD is transflective; it is highly readable in direct sunlight. The backlight is highly efficient and can be turned off to further increase battery life.


The KX2 starts at $769, factory assembled. For additional details, see:

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The KX3 is a bit larger than the KX2, though still smaller/lighter than competing all-band portables. It includes the following additional features:  160 and 6 meters; 2 or 4 meter optional internal transverter; nearly twice as many direct controls; and RX I/Q outputs for use with our PX3 panadapter or computer sound cards. The KX3 is available factory assembled or as a no-soldering kit.

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But Al, it’s not a bad thing to want Wayne to do an Elecraft quality V/U capable KX2 or 3, its a compliment!

Many of us that do linear portable satellite work lug a pair of 817s around that do a commendable job for 15 year old tech, but would be much better and lighter to have a couple KX2s that were V/U capable.  And have a much better HF rig at the same time.

I’ve made a few satellite contacts with the KX3 and 2 meter card for the uplink on FO29, and a Russian transverter in front of my KX2 on the 70 cm downlink, but all that accomplished was making me want an integrated Elecraft solution.

Heck, I’d be happy with a little optional  transverter box that clamped on the back of a KX2.  Sadly, the market doesn’t seem to be there.

Scott KA9P

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> On Mar 1, 2018, at 2:34 PM, Al Lorona <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Poor Wayne. No matter how he positions an Elecraft product, a prevailing response is, "Yeah, but Elecraft doesn't do A or B."
>
> As consumers, we have been perfectly conditioned to regard more as better. I mean, if Brand X has 'more' than Brand Y, we automatically declare Brand X the winner. Brand X covers more bands? It's better. Brand X has more ADC bits? It *must* be better!
>
> There's something to be said about *doing* something better, as opposed to simply *having* more, isn't there? Wayne touched on this when he pointed out the huge discrepancy in current drain between the two rigs. As you know, this is hugely important for any portable or solar-powered situation. It is a major reason why, just for instance, I could not  for a moment consider the new Icom 7610 because of it's 3x current drain versus the K3. My station is solar-powered and I have to worry about this. So that's a primary consideration for me, regardless of how much 'more' the 7610 may have.
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To those wanting 144/432 MHz operation, perhaps Elecraft should increase
the KX2 price by $50 and pack a Baofeng 144/432 transceiver with the
KX2.  Oh yeah, it will not do CW and SSB (only FM), but most of the LEO
satellites are FM, so it would work for most all the satellite
communications work available today.  That radio provided satellite
credit at out last local club's Field Day.

If you want low power FM satellite communications, there are many
choices available.  I do have a Baofeng, but only use it when I am with
a group of friends at a hamfest and want communications capability.  The
FT-817 (yes, I do own one) is too heavy to carry with me on normal ventures.

OK, I am mainly an HF ham, and do not care much for the VHF/UHF stuff, I
only use it for local club conversations and for ECOM work with the
local network when it is activated.  Just so you know my orientation.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/1/2018 12:31 PM, Wayne Burdick [hidden email] [KX3] wrote:
> A number of customers considering the KX2 have asked us how it compares
> to the newly announced Yaesu FT-818. The latter is an updated ‘817, with
> a bit higher power output.
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"Oh yeah, it will not do CW and SSB (only FM), but most of the LEO
satellites are FM, so it would work for most all the satellite
communications work available today.  That radio provided satellite
credit at out last local club's Field Day."

This is incorrect. There are currently 4 active FM satellites and 11
active linear transponder satellites.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 6:37 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:

> To those wanting 144/432 MHz operation, perhaps Elecraft should increase the
> KX2 price by $50 and pack a Baofeng 144/432 transceiver with the KX2.  Oh
> yeah, it will not do CW and SSB (only FM), but most of the LEO satellites
> are FM, so it would work for most all the satellite communications work
> available today.  That radio provided satellite credit at out last local
> club's Field Day.
>
> If you want low power FM satellite communications, there are many choices
> available.  I do have a Baofeng, but only use it when I am with a group of
> friends at a hamfest and want communications capability.  The FT-817 (yes, I
> do own one) is too heavy to carry with me on normal ventures.
>
> OK, I am mainly an HF ham, and do not care much for the VHF/UHF stuff, I
> only use it for local club conversations and for ECOM work with the local
> network when it is activated.  Just so you know my orientation.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 3/1/2018 12:31 PM, Wayne Burdick [hidden email] [KX3] wrote:
>>
>> A number of customers considering the KX2 have asked us how it compares to
>> the newly announced Yaesu FT-818. The latter is an updated ‘817, with a bit
>> higher power output.
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Not sure why there are so many haters out there. I wasn’t complaining about Elecraft, I was asking Wayne to consider a product line that has the potential to make a lot of sales, especially with the quality and love Elecraft puts into their work.

As already has been pointed out, linear satellites outnumber the FM birds.

I assume those on the list own Elecraft products. Never saw this kind of negativity directed at another Elecraft brother or sister before.

C’mon now.

-Kevin (KK4YEL)

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> On Mar 1, 2018, at 18:55, Paul Stoetzer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> "Oh yeah, it will not do CW and SSB (only FM), but most of the LEO
> satellites are FM, so it would work for most all the satellite
> communications work available today.  That radio provided satellite
> credit at out last local club's Field Day."
>
> This is incorrect. There are currently 4 active FM satellites and 11
> active linear transponder satellites.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 6:37 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> To those wanting 144/432 MHz operation, perhaps Elecraft should increase the
>> KX2 price by $50 and pack a Baofeng 144/432 transceiver with the KX2.  Oh
>> yeah, it will not do CW and SSB (only FM), but most of the LEO satellites
>> are FM, so it would work for most all the satellite communications work
>> available today.  That radio provided satellite credit at out last local
>> club's Field Day.
>>
>> If you want low power FM satellite communications, there are many choices
>> available.  I do have a Baofeng, but only use it when I am with a group of
>> friends at a hamfest and want communications capability.  The FT-817 (yes, I
>> do own one) is too heavy to carry with me on normal ventures.
>>
>> OK, I am mainly an HF ham, and do not care much for the VHF/UHF stuff, I
>> only use it for local club conversations and for ECOM work with the local
>> network when it is activated.  Just so you know my orientation.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>>> On 3/1/2018 12:31 PM, Wayne Burdick [hidden email] [KX3] wrote:
>>>
>>> A number of customers considering the KX2 have asked us how it compares to
>>> the newly announced Yaesu FT-818. The latter is an updated ‘817, with a bit
>>> higher power output.
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[Jim Low man]

Trust me, Kevin, Wayne call tell you that I’ve bugged him in the past for an all-mode, stand-alone transceiver for the 6m, 2m, 222 MHz and 432 MHz bands.

I made the point that they have the technology, since they have sold transverters for those bands for some time now; just put it all in one box.  Of course, that’s probably an oversimplification.

His reply in the past was that there probably isn’t the market out there for such a transceiver, which makes sense to me.

I almost bought the 222MHz transverter, then found out that there’s almost no activity on that band in this area except during contests, or on the repeaters.  Odd, considering that this is the second-most populous area in the USA.

I did buy a Kenwood TS-2000X transceiver, which covers those bands, plus 1.2 GHz but minus 222 MHz.  It sure would look nice to have the VHF/UHF coverage in a matching transceiver with the Elecraft label, sitting next to my K3S, though...

73 de Jim-AD6CW



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> On Mar 1, 2018, at 12:26 PM, kevino z [hidden email] [KX3] <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Wayne if you guys made an all mode UHF VHF full duplex radio for satellite ops, you’d made a lot of people happy and fill an area that folks are having to buy two 817’s to accomplish....
> just my two cents
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[Jeff-4]

What I would like to see is a dual band module for the KX3 that would provide all mode 2 and 70cm. That is what I miss with the 817. I built a compressor board that fit in the case, but I like the tuner and extra power of the KX3 for HF and 6.

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> On Mar 1, 2018, at 17:24, Jim Low man [hidden email] [KX3] <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Trust me, Kevin, Wayne call tell you that I’ve bugged him in the past for an all-mode, stand-alone transceiver for the 6m, 2m, 222 MHz and 432 MHz bands.
>
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> I made the point that they have the technology, since they have sold transverters for those bands for some time now; just put it all in one box.  Of course, that’s probably an oversimplification.
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> His reply in the past was that there probably isn’t the market out there for such a transceiver, which makes sense to me.
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[Jim Brown-10]

On 3/1/2018 4:23 PM, kevino z wrote:
> Not sure why there are so many haters out there.

What hate?  Disagreement is not hate. Disagreement is I have a different
opinion or know more or less about something than you do.

When comparing to those other rigs, bear in mind that 1) Elecraft is a
MUCH smaller company than the ones that build those el-cheapo,
do-everything boxes, and simply doesn't have the resources to make too
many products; 2) the performance of Elecraft rigs blows away those
el-cheapo rigs on bands they cover for features, performance, weight,
current draw, and ease of use; and 3) Elecraft's fundamental philosophy
is quality, not cheap.

73, Jim K9YC

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[Dave Fugleberg]

For what it's worth... I did roughly the same comparison a year ago, and
then sold my 817 to partially fund the KX2 the following week. I don't
regret it. The KX2 is hands down superior in every way for the bands that
the two rigs have in common.

I too would like to have a VHF/ UHF all mode portable rig, and while it
would be cool to have that in the KX2, I'd be just as happy if it were a
separate radio . I have the 144, 222, and 432 Elecraft transverters, and
their seamless integration with the K3 makes them a joy to use.
A small standalone V/U all mode full duplex rig would be slick for
satellite though.

One other place I've seen the 817 get a lot of use is as a 144 MHz IF rig
for 10GHz use. I know several guys that own one just for that. If I ever
get the itch to build up a 10 GHz rig, I'm guessing the KX3 with the 2m
option would make a great IF. Anyone out there doing that?
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> On 3/1/2018 4:23 PM, kevino z wrote:
> > Not sure why there are so many haters out there.
>
> What hate?  Disagreement is not hate. Disagreement is I have a different
> opinion or know more or less about something than you do.
>
> When comparing to those other rigs, bear in mind that 1) Elecraft is a
> MUCH smaller company than the ones that build those el-cheapo,
> do-everything boxes, and simply doesn't have the resources to make too
> many products; 2) the performance of Elecraft rigs blows away those
> el-cheapo rigs on bands they cover for features, performance, weight,
> current draw, and ease of use; and 3) Elecraft's fundamental philosophy
> is quality, not cheap.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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