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Sergey Zimin

Elecraft KX4

It is interesting to know: will Elecraft issue a mobile version - KX4?

73! Sergey RM6AA.

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Nr4c

Re: Elecraft KX4

Not mentioned so far.

BTW: What is a “mobile” version? They’ve so fa not done this for any other radio.

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> On Jul 1, 2019, at 12:30 AM, Sergey Zimin <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> It is interesting to know: will Elecraft issue a mobile version - KX4?
>
> 73! Sergey RM6AA.
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Sergey Zimin

Re: Elecraft KX4

I meant the 5-watt version of the k4 with a panadapter in a single package
the size of which is like kx3...

пн, 1 июл. 2019 г., 13:16 Nr4c <[hidden email]>:

> Not mentioned so far.
>
> BTW: What is a “mobile” version? They’ve so fa not done this for any
> other radio.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
> > On Jul 1, 2019, at 12:30 AM, Sergey Zimin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > It is interesting to know: will Elecraft issue a mobile version - KX4?
> >
> > 73! Sergey RM6AA.
> >
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Don Wilhelm

Re: Elecraft KX4

May I suggest that any Mobile (meaning mounted in a vehicle) transceiver
NOT have a touchscreen or panadapter.
It can create additional distracted driver problems, and we have enough
of that already with automotive touchscreens, navigation systems, and
the like.

I for one do not operate mobile - my eyes and attention need to be on
the road and not some device in the vehicle.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/1/2019 7:09 AM, Sergey Zimin wrote:

> I meant the 5-watt version of the k4 with a panadapter in a single package
> the size of which is like kx3...
>
>
> пн, 1 июл. 2019 г., 13:16 Nr4c <[hidden email]>:
>
>> Not mentioned so far.
>>
>> BTW: What is a “mobile” version? They’ve so fa not done this for any
>> other radio.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2019, at 12:30 AM, Sergey Zimin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> It is interesting to know: will Elecraft issue a mobile version - KX4?

Ken G Kopp

OT: Distracted driving

Well said, Don ...

73

K0PP

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 07:21 Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:

> May I suggest that any Mobile (meaning mounted in a vehicle) transceiver
> NOT have a touchscreen or panadapter.
> It can create additional distracted driver problems, and we have enough
> of that already with automotive touchscreens, navigation systems, and
> the like.
>
> I for one do not operate mobile - my eyes and attention need to be on
> the road and not some device in the vehicle.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/1/2019 7:09 AM, Sergey Zimin wrote:
> > I meant the 5-watt version of the k4 with a panadapter in a single
> package
> > the size of which is like kx3...
> >
> >
> > пн, 1 июл. 2019 г., 13:16 Nr4c <[hidden email]>:
> >
> >> Not mentioned so far.
> >>
> >> BTW: What is a “mobile” version? They’ve so fa not done this for any
> >> other radio.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> ...nr4c. bill
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jul 1, 2019, at 12:30 AM, Sergey Zimin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It is interesting to know: will Elecraft issue a mobile version - KX4?
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Clay Autery-2

Re: Elecraft KX4

In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm

Do NOT "Nanny State" the design of the radio.... As a compromise, put
in a firmware option that turns the panadapter OFF while the vehicle is
in motion or something like that. But even THEN, make it where the
OWNER of the radio may affirmatively take action to disable this
nanny-state-like "feature". SOME folks are trained for and perfectly
capable of driving and operating radios at the same time....

73,

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On 01-Jul-19 08:21, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> May I suggest that any Mobile (meaning mounted in a vehicle)
> transceiver NOT have a touchscreen or panadapter.
> It can create additional distracted driver problems, and we have
> enough of that already with automotive touchscreens, navigation
> systems, and the like.
>
> I for one do not operate mobile - my eyes and attention need to be on
> the road and not some device in the vehicle.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/1/2019 7:09 AM, Sergey Zimin wrote:
>> I meant the 5-watt version of the k4 with a panadapter in a single
>> package
>> the size of which is like kx3...
>>
>>
>> пн, 1 июл. 2019 г., 13:16 Nr4c <[hidden email]>:
>>
>>> Not mentioned so far.
>>>
>>> BTW: What is a “mobile” version? They’ve so fa not done this for any
>>> other radio.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> ...nr4c. bill
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jul 1, 2019, at 12:30 AM, Sergey Zimin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It is interesting to know: will Elecraft issue a mobile version - KX4?
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Re: Elecraft KX4

And some of us operate from the passenger seat while the driver is doing all that complicated stuff!

Andy, G8TQH

Sent from my iPhone

> On 1 Jul 2019, at 15:48, Clay Autery <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Do NOT "Nanny State" the design of the radio.... As a compromise, put in a firmware option that turns the panadapter OFF while the vehicle is in motion or something like that. But even THEN, make it where the OWNER of the radio may affirmatively take action to disable this nanny-state-like "feature". SOME folks are trained for and perfectly capable of driving and operating radios at the same time....
>
> 73,
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> (318) 518-1389
>
>> On 01-Jul-19 08:21, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> May I suggest that any Mobile (meaning mounted in a vehicle) transceiver NOT have a touchscreen or panadapter.
>> It can create additional distracted driver problems, and we have enough of that already with automotive touchscreens, navigation systems, and the like.
>>
>> I for one do not operate mobile - my eyes and attention need to be on the road and not some device in the vehicle.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>>> On 7/1/2019 7:09 AM, Sergey Zimin wrote:
>>> I meant the 5-watt version of the k4 with a panadapter in a single package
>>> the size of which is like kx3...
>>>
>>>
>>> пн, 1 июл. 2019 г., 13:16 Nr4c <[hidden email]>:
>>>
>>>> Not mentioned so far.
>>>>
>>>> BTW: What is a “mobile” version? They’ve so fa not done this for any
>>>> other radio.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> ...nr4c. bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 1, 2019, at 12:30 AM, Sergey Zimin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It is interesting to know: will Elecraft issue a mobile version - KX4?
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Rick Robinson

Re: OT: Distracted driving

In reply to this post by Ken G Kopp

As a rover several years ago I operated mobile between grids. I had a F150
regular cab in which I used a Icom 706mk2g. The body of the radio was
mounted behind the seat with the head unit mounted on the dash. I used a
one earpiece headset mic plugged into the radio body and I used a
footswitch mounted on the floor where the dimmer switch used to be.Remember
those ? This was a two wire connection to the head unit for Ptt only. Other
than looking at the display which was in line with the instrument panel, I
had both hands on the wheel and minimal visual distraction. This setup
could be adapted to most any radio for a very safe way to mobile. Forget
cw. One hand would be operating the key, thus limiting your control in a
fast response situation . But it boils down to this....drive first, radio
second.

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 9:26 AM Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Well said, Don ...
>
> 73
>
> K0PP
>
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 07:21 Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > May I suggest that any Mobile (meaning mounted in a vehicle) transceiver
> > NOT have a touchscreen or panadapter.
> > It can create additional distracted driver problems, and we have enough
> > of that already with automotive touchscreens, navigation systems, and
> > the like.
> >
> > I for one do not operate mobile - my eyes and attention need to be on
> > the road and not some device in the vehicle.
> >
> > 73,
> > Don W3FPR
> >
> > On 7/1/2019 7:09 AM, Sergey Zimin wrote:
> > > I meant the 5-watt version of the k4 with a panadapter in a single
> > package
> > > the size of which is like kx3...
> > >
> > >
> > > пн, 1 июл. 2019 г., 13:16 Nr4c <[hidden email]>:
> > >
> > >> Not mentioned so far.
> > >>
> > >> BTW: What is a “mobile” version? They’ve so fa not done this for any
> > >> other radio.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >> ...nr4c. bill
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Jul 1, 2019, at 12:30 AM, Sergey Zimin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> It is interesting to know: will Elecraft issue a mobile version -
> KX4?
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Rick WA6NHC-2

Re: Elecraft KX4

In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm

While I agree that a panadapter is unneeded, unwise and distracting when
operating mobile, one should plan for safety by minimal interaction with
any device added to a vehicle. This would include any touch screen
display, since we won't avoid them. For example;

The control heads of my V/U/HF radios are on the dash (I built a vehicle
non-destructive frame for mounting) along with the (voice controlled)
GPS so they are not distracting, easily reached for the few times
adjustments are required and most importantly, WITHIN the normal visual
scanning range of the driver (left mirror, windshield, gauges,
windshield, right mirror; reverse and repeat). They are high enough to
be seen without looking down (use peripheral vision for the road), yet
low enough to not block vision of the road (drivers with a height issue
too).

The HF station uses a Turbo Tuner and Tarheel, one button to tune it is
the only driver interaction.

The meters, don't matter (and can't be seen without reading glasses
anyway), only the frequencies are truly needed as visible to the
driver. The use of preset memory slots makes it much safer.

Each radio has function buttons on the mic as well, so direct
interaction is very low. The radio scanner (in the console, next to the
phone, for traffic problem awareness during travel for potential
re-routing) is not among this collection on the dash since the mode of
speech tells you who is talking (cops don't sound like fire and medical
is different altogether).

Placement also allows the passenger to be the operator; and they also
manage the sound system when the HF is turned off.

However, while it was once common for me to multitask while driving a
large fire truck; it's a good idea to note that aging of the driver
lowers the ability to do this well. If you don't pay attention to that,
it's possible to learn that reduction of ability in a negative manner.
Take note; that reduction creeps up over time.

Setting up a mobile station requires significant planning and thought
along with the understanding that sometimes, the OFF button is the best
choice; yes even a simple dual band V/UHF (mostly used for APRS to
reduce the 'where are you?' calls and to allow the coffee to be fresh
upon arrival).

(I typically only use mobile HF when parked or while hauling the fifth
wheel on an interstate but never in a city or other traffic dense
situation. After decades of my career, listening to multiple audio
sources at the same time is second nature to me; extract what is
relevant, ignore the rest. The fifth wheel has it's own station.)

Rick NHC

On 7/1/2019 6:21 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: