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Wes (N7WS)

Re: Elecraft SP3 External Speaker details

There is. Just as Henry Ford said, "You can have black or you can have black."

On 9/15/2015 8:10 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:
> It’s a good thing there isn’t a choice of cabinet color …. ;-)
>
> Grant NQ5T
>
>

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Jerry Moore

Re: Elecraft SP3 External Speaker details

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If they did a stand alone UHF/VHF I'd suggest it have dual receivers, cross
band tx/rx capability and VFO tracking based on Doppler built in for SAT
work.

-----Original Message-----
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We should be grateful that we are dealing with a company like Elecraft,
where the principals listen to what their customers want and, wherever
possible, accommodate these requests.
Having a matching speaker was a requested item some time ago, if memory
serves.

If it's not possible for an individual to justify the cost, then the simple
answer is not to buy it.

My one request to Eric, last year at his presentation at Pacificon, was for
a standalone, all-mode transceiver for 2m and above.
My rationale was that, since Elecraft sells transverters for 2m, 220 MHz and
432 MHz, they already have the technology to make this possible.
It came down to the fact that there may not be a large enough market for
such a transceiver. Makes sense.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 9/15/2015 6:46 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> Manufacturers make those things because customers want them and buy them.
73, Guy
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Andy McMullin

Re: Elecraft SP3 External Speaker details

I’d be interested in that spec too!

Built-in soundcard for digital modes (with one USB connection for it and rig control) would be nice as well.

Regards
Andy, G8TQH

> On 16 Sep 2015, at 12:06, Jerry Moore <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> If they did a stand alone UHF/VHF I'd suggest it have dual receivers, cross
> band tx/rx capability and VFO tracking based on Doppler built in for SAT
> work.
>
>> [deletia]
>>
>> My one request to Eric, last year at his presentation at Pacificon, was for
>> a standalone, all-mode transceiver for 2m and above.
>> My rationale was that, since Elecraft sells transverters for 2m, 220 MHz and
>> 432 MHz, they already have the technology to make this possible.
>> It came down to the fact that there may not be a large enough market for
>> such a transceiver. Makes sense.
>>
>> 73 de Jim - AD6CW
>>

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ae4pb

Re: Elecraft SP3 External Speaker details

I still believe it may be possible with the K3S, KRX3 and transceivers to do Full cross band duplex. I'll look more closely after my rig is built and on the air. Makes for an expensive stand alone UHF/VHF rig tho unless you want HF too. But then it's probably overkill just to work SATs. I'll bet with the correct transverter we could hear the mars rovers tho.

Jerry Moore
AE4PB, K3S SN# ARRIVES TODAY!!!!!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy McMullin [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 7:22 AM
To: Jerry Moore
Cc: Jim Lowman; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SP3 External Speaker details

I’d be interested in that spec too!

Built-in soundcard for digital modes (with one USB connection for it and rig control) would be nice as well.

Regards
Andy, G8TQH

> On 16 Sep 2015, at 12:06, Jerry Moore <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> If they did a stand alone UHF/VHF I'd suggest it have dual receivers,
> cross band tx/rx capability and VFO tracking based on Doppler built in
> for SAT work.
>
>> [deletia]
>>
>> My one request to Eric, last year at his presentation at Pacificon,
>> was for a standalone, all-mode transceiver for 2m and above.
>> My rationale was that, since Elecraft sells transverters for 2m, 220
>> MHz and
>> 432 MHz, they already have the technology to make this possible.
>> It came down to the fact that there may not be a large enough market
>> for such a transceiver. Makes sense.
>>
>> 73 de Jim - AD6CW
>>

Bob McGraw - K4TAX

On VHF & UHF radios

I don't view there are many serious VHF and UHF operators today, i.e.
sufficient to warrant a high performance radio. Most are repeater
users. Seems that a $39 radio model has been proven to be satisfactory
to most.

The SAT users do require some unique applications to cross band, split
frequency and address Doppler shift. The Tropo users need big antennas
and lots of power and the EME group even more so. Oh yes, the digital
modes make things less complex but still, big antennas, good receivers
and clean transmitters is still mandatory.

I don't find the current breed of "do it all" radios to have outstanding
performance on VHF and UHF.

73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10,163

On 9/16/2015 6:35 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

> I still believe it may be possible with the K3S, KRX3 and transceivers to do Full cross band duplex. I'll look more closely after my rig is built and on the air. Makes for an expensive stand alone UHF/VHF rig tho unless you want HF too. But then it's probably overkill just to work SATs. I'll bet with the correct transverter we could hear the mars rovers tho.
>
> Jerry Moore
> AE4PB, K3S SN# ARRIVES TODAY!!!!!!!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy McMullin [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 7:22 AM
> To: Jerry Moore
> Cc: Jim Lowman; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SP3 External Speaker details
>
> I’d be interested in that spec too!
>
> Built-in soundcard for digital modes (with one USB connection for it and rig control) would be nice as well.
>
> Regards
> Andy, G8TQH
>
>
>> On 16 Sep 2015, at 12:06, Jerry Moore <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> If they did a stand alone UHF/VHF I'd suggest it have dual receivers,
>> cross band tx/rx capability and VFO tracking based on Doppler built in
>> for SAT work.
>>
>>> [deletia]
>>>
>>> My one request to Eric, last year at his presentation at Pacificon,
>>> was for a standalone, all-mode transceiver for 2m and above.
>>> My rationale was that, since Elecraft sells transverters for 2m, 220
>>> MHz and
>>> 432 MHz, they already have the technology to make this possible.
>>> It came down to the fact that there may not be a large enough market
>>> for such a transceiver. Makes sense.
>>>
>>> 73 de Jim - AD6CW
>>>
>
>
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Bob-2

Re: Elecraft SP3 External Speaker details

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I've made no decision yet on the purchase.

However I note with interest that the email title says "Speaker details". But
this thread has had none other than Wayne's statement of SPL. I'm curious as
to the response curve. Is it flat or Communications? I'd be looking for flat
as in my opinion the K3 should deliver the desired response and the SP3's job
is to just make a faithful reproduction of it

More technical "details" are needed

73,
Bob
K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR

On 9/15/2015 11:06 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 09/15/2015 07:17 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>> I am truly stunned that a simple speaker could generate this much
>> interest. :-)
>
> Considering the endless discussions of headphones and microphones, I'm not
> surprised. :=)
>
> Alan N1AL
>

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Terry Schieler-2

Re: Elecraft SP3 External Speaker details

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I'm guessing that Eric is looking at Wayne, OR, Wayne is looking at Eric right now and saying "SEE.....I told you so". ;o)

Terry W0FM

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 10:06 PM
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On 09/15/2015 07:17 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> I am truly stunned that a simple speaker could generate this much
> interest. :-)

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wayne burdick

Re: Elecraft SP3 External Speaker details

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In reply to this post by Bob-2

Hi Bob,

Here's an expanded list of specs on the SP3:

Weight: 4 lb, 8.4 oz ( 2.5 kg)

Speaker Size: 3” x 5” (77 x 127 mm)

Speaker Impedance: 4 ohms (note: the K3's internal speaker is also 4 ohms)

Magnet Type: Neodymium

Power Handling Capability: 15 W

Frequency Response: 100-20,000 Hz

Sensitivity: 90 dB SPL

I will post a link to the frequency response curve shortly.

Wayne
N6KR

On Sep 16, 2015, at 9:36 AM, Bob <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I've made no decision yet on the purchase.
>
> However I note with interest that the email title says "Speaker details". But this thread has had none other than Wayne's statement of SPL. I'm curious as to the response curve. Is it flat or Communications? I'd be looking for flat as in my opinion the K3 should deliver the desired response and the SP3's job is to just make a faithful reproduction of it
>
> More technical "details" are needed
>
> 73,
> Bob
> K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR

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wayne burdick

Re: Elecraft SP3 External Speaker details

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In reply to this post by Terry Schieler-2

Hi Keith,

This all seemed pretty simple on our end:

- We've been asked a gazillion times for a matching speaker

- We worked with a speaker design expert to do the acoustic design,
adding a versatile mono/stereo A/B switch for station integration

- We kept the price as low as we possible could, given the high parts cost
for a rugged, all-metal enclosure w/tilt stand that matches the K-Line
(and would be suitable for space-saving DIY built-ins like a 12-V UPS)

The result is the SP3. I wish we could price it like a pair of typical medium-power entertainment speakers, but that isn't possible given the packaging requirements.

So, yeah....the volume of traffic on this subject is a bit surprising.

Yet, just as a volcano must erupt periodically to release tensions beneath the surface, so must an email forum periodically bubble and froth to satiate its hunger for intrigue and controversy ;)

Wayne
N6KR

On Sep 16, 2015, at 10:55 AM, Terry Schieler <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I'm guessing that Eric is looking at Wayne, OR, Wayne is looking at Eric right now and saying "SEE.....I told you so". ;o)
>
> Terry W0FM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 10:06 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SP3 External Speaker details
>
> On 09/15/2015 07:17 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>> I am truly stunned that a simple speaker could generate this much
>> interest. :-)

Jim Low man

Re: On VHF & UHF radios

In reply to this post by Bob McGraw - K4TAX

That could be, Bob.

I should have phrased my question more specifically.
My intended use for such a transceiver would be weak-signal work.

I had the 2m option for the K3 but, with its low power output, I sold it
and bought a Kenwood TS-2000X to be dedicated to VHF/UHF operation.
However, this type of operation demands high power (at least 100w) and
an antenna with high gain, so I would have to buy an external amplifier
at any rate.
Thus, I might re-think the 2m option from Elecraft.
It's a bonus that The K3(S) can handle up to nine transverters.

At a convention way back in 2001, I became interested in working the
satellites and bought a Yaesu FT-847.
The interest waned eventually, so I sold the 847 toward the purchase of
the TS-2000X.

And no, I don't plan to use the TS-2000X on HF; not when I have a K3 and
a K3S.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 9/16/2015 5:03 AM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:

> I don't view there are many serious VHF and UHF operators today, i.e.
> sufficient to warrant a high performance radio. Most are repeater
> users. Seems that a $39 radio model has been proven to be
> satisfactory to most.
>
> The SAT users do require some unique applications to cross band, split
> frequency and address Doppler shift. The Tropo users need big
> antennas and lots of power and the EME group even more so. Oh yes,
> the digital modes make things less complex but still, big antennas,
> good receivers and clean transmitters is still mandatory.
>
> I don't find the current breed of "do it all" radios to have
> outstanding performance on VHF and UHF.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> K3S s/n 10,163
>

Bob McGraw - K4TAX

Re: On VHF & UHF radios

I'm using external transverters for 2M, 70cm and 23cm, those being
DownEast Microwave, driving a IPA to the PA. Yes, I think working EME
is considered as weak signal work. Plus I use a mast mounted preamps
with separate TX and RX lines. Makes for switching and sequencing to be
less complex.

73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10,163

On 9/16/2015 6:52 PM, Jim Lowman wrote:

> That could be, Bob.
>
> I should have phrased my question more specifically.
> My intended use for such a transceiver would be weak-signal work.
>
> I had the 2m option for the K3 but, with its low power output, I sold
> it and bought a Kenwood TS-2000X to be dedicated to VHF/UHF operation.
> However, this type of operation demands high power (at least 100w) and
> an antenna with high gain, so I would have to buy an external
> amplifier at any rate.
> Thus, I might re-think the 2m option from Elecraft.
> It's a bonus that The K3(S) can handle up to nine transverters.
>
> At a convention way back in 2001, I became interested in working the
> satellites and bought a Yaesu FT-847.
> The interest waned eventually, so I sold the 847 toward the purchase
> of the TS-2000X.
>
> And no, I don't plan to use the TS-2000X on HF; not when I have a K3
> and a K3S.
>
> 73 de Jim - AD6CW
>
>

Jim Brown-10

Re: On VHF & UHF radios

In reply to this post by Jim Low man

On Wed,9/16/2015 4:52 PM, Jim Lowman wrote:
> I had the 2m option for the K3 but, with its low power output, I sold
> it and bought a Kenwood TS-2000X to be dedicated to VHF/UHF operation.

That was a bad move. Check the specs on the TS2000X. The K3 has has far
better RX specs, and is probably cleaner on TX.

All you need to add to a K3 with 2M transverter is a suitable power amp.
Look for a vintage ('70s-'80s) Mirage or RF Concepts brick that drives
to about 150W with 2W or 10W drive. A year or so ago, I found two of
each just by asking on the reflectors of a couple of local ham clubs. I
kept one of each and gave the others to a friend.

I really appreciate the K3 RX while working weak signal CW and digital
modes on VHF. I'm using a vintage Elecraft 2M transverter that I bought
more than 10 years ago.

73, Jim K9YC
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Edward R Cole

Re: On VHF & UHF radios

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While its true there is a drop off in numbers of serious weak-signal
hams, I consider myself one.
I have antennas and equipment for 50/144/222/432/900/1296/2400/3400/10,368 MHz
I do eme on 144 and 1296 and building for 50 and 3400 eme.

Being in Alaska really is in the VHF wilderness as there are few
stations interested in weak-signal. Thus use of satellite in 1980 -
2002 when the phase-3 sats were functioning (high orbit linear
transponders). I bought a FT-847 in 1998 specifically for satellite
and it worked well. Later I used it for 2m-eme, but it was not
especially good on HF.

So about 2008 I determined a better approach was to acquire a
very-good HF radio and marry it to good transverters to get best
performance on VHF+. In 2010 I bought the K3/10 and a DEMI 144-28
transverter. I had used/built some of their kits before (first in
1996), so I decided to get the full line from 144 to 1296. I had
already purchase a 10-GHz transverter and two 3456 transverter kits
in 1999 (finally built one 3400-144 kit this spring).

The new L-series transverters from DEMI came out in 2010 so I
upgraded to that model 144-1296. They work very well with the
K3. In my not-modest opinion they come close to the best combo one
can buy (db6nt is better but at over twice the cost). I sold my
FT-847, reluctantly, but that financed my 222 and 432 transverters.

I'm not convinced trading a FT-847 for the TS2000x is necessarily a
step up - but I never have used the Kenwood radio. I am certain my
K3+transverters will run circles around the Kenwood. Of course its
not all in one big box.

About three years ago I began building DEMI transverters for hams as
a (very) small business. I am now building the whole line from
50-MHz to 10-GHz. Almost getting too busy - but no complaints as
what I make, funds my hobby.

I have come to conclusion that I enjoy the design/construction part
of the hobby as much as operating (maybe more).
I am well into my new design main station control panel which should
improve my reliability factor plus concentrates some of the multiple
box syndrome.

One of my long-range projects is to marry the K3 and KX3 into a
cross-band satellite system: KX3-2M and K3 + higher band transverter
(432 or 1268 or 2401 or 10450). New satellites coming soon will
bring back needs for multi-mode VHF equipment (P3E may actually get launched).

Long answer but I can agree with Bob and Jim.

73, Ed - KL7UW

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That could be, Bob.

I should have phrased my question more specifically.
My intended use for such a transceiver would be weak-signal work.

I had the 2m option for the K3 but, with its low power output, I sold it
and bought a Kenwood TS-2000X to be dedicated to VHF/UHF operation.
However, this type of operation demands high power (at least 100w) and
an antenna with high gain, so I would have to buy an external amplifier
at any rate.
Thus, I might re-think the 2m option from Elecraft.
It's a bonus that The K3(S) can handle up to nine transverters.

At a convention way back in 2001, I became interested in working the
satellites and bought a Yaesu FT-847.
The interest waned eventually, so I sold the 847 toward the purchase of
the TS-2000X.

And no, I don't plan to use the TS-2000X on HF; not when I have a K3 and
a K3S.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 9/16/2015 5:03 AM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
> I don't view there are many serious VHF and UHF operators today, i.e.
> sufficient to warrant a high performance radio. Most are repeater
> users. Seems that a $39 radio model has been proven to be
> satisfactory to most.
>
> The SAT users do require some unique applications to cross band, split
> frequency and address Doppler shift. The Tropo users need big
> antennas and lots of power and the EME group even more so. Oh yes,
> the digital modes make things less complex but still, big antennas,
> good receivers and clean transmitters is still mandatory.
>
> I don't find the current breed of "do it all" radios to have
> outstanding performance on VHF and UHF.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> K3S s/n 10,163

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
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Re: On VHF & UHF radios

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There used to be a larger number of "serious weak signal VHF operators, but
the serious VHF operators are all dying off with no young ones to replace
them. I use three K3s and three K2s in my VHF station. I have one Ten Tec
OMNI V as well on 432. The big difference between a great HF vs VHF radio is
that LO purity and reciprical mixing performance is paramount on VHF, while
HF requires the close in dynamic range to be exemplary. I have yet to see a
good multi mode or "do all" radio from any manufacturer. I have never used
one in my station as a result. Strong signals on VHf can be a huge problem
when giant antennas and high locations are in use. Stations 60 or 70 miles
away can clobber you very easily. ERP levels can approach 150 KW.
I have always been intrigued by the Sherwood numbers for the Kenwood
TS-820S and TS-830 with YK88 filters. They don't look so bad in the listing,
but they were awful on VHF in strong signal environments with high gain (20
dBd) antennas. Local oscillator noise did not cut it. The K3 with the new
synthesizer is about 40 db or more better. I had the Kenwoods back in the
90's and dumped them for K2s and Ten Tec radios. What a difference. The K3
is icing on the cake. I started using them soon after they came out. They
are great on VHF and not too shabby on 160 meters also. (heh heh) I don't
think I can recall an overload problem with the Elecraft radios or the Ten
Tec OMNI for that matter. The OMNI V used crystal oscillators in the 1st LO,
so it was pretty clean. The new K3 synthesizer is awesome. It can handle a 0
dBm signal next to a -135 dBm signal and live to tell about it!
I have the 144 built in transverter in one of my K3's, but have not used
it as it is too low power to drive my big amplifier. Someday I'll resolve
that situation and it should work great. Of course VHF contesting is
different in different parts of the country. I live in rural Maine about 250
or 275 miles from New York City. I am on the edge of the golden activity
corridor. From my place, it is unwise to use multi mode Japanese rigs for
serious contesting. Between the deafness and LO phase noise problems, you
would have your hands full. Another ham 50 miles away could have a KW and
large antenna that was line of sight or almost line of sight, and squash
your receiver like a bug. Every VHF band here has a good HF radio for the
receiver. K3s, K2s, and one OMNI V from Ten Tec

Dave K1WHS

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob McGraw - K4TAX" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 12:03 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] On VHF & UHF radios

>I don't view there are many serious VHF and UHF operators today, i.e.
>sufficient to warrant a high performance radio. Most are repeater users.
>Seems that a $39 radio model has been proven to be satisfactory to most.
>
> The SAT users do require some unique applications to cross band, split
> frequency and address Doppler shift. The Tropo users need big antennas
> and lots of power and the EME group even more so. Oh yes, the digital
> modes make things less complex but still, big antennas, good receivers and
> clean transmitters is still mandatory.
>
> I don't find the current breed of "do it all" radios to have outstanding
> performance on VHF and UHF.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> K3S s/n 10,163
>
> On 9/16/2015 6:35 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>> I still believe it may be possible with the K3S, KRX3 and transceivers to
>> do Full cross band duplex. I'll look more closely after my rig is built
>> and on the air. Makes for an expensive stand alone UHF/VHF rig tho unless
>> you want HF too. But then it's probably overkill just to work SATs. I'll
>> bet with the correct transverter we could hear the mars rovers tho.
>>
>> Jerry Moore
>> AE4PB, K3S SN# ARRIVES TODAY!!!!!!!
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andy McMullin [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 7:22 AM
>> To: Jerry Moore
>> Cc: Jim Lowman; [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SP3 External Speaker details
>>
>> I’d be interested in that spec too!
>>
>> Built-in soundcard for digital modes (with one USB connection for it and
>> rig control) would be nice as well.
>>
>> Regards
>> Andy, G8TQH
>>
>>
>>> On 16 Sep 2015, at 12:06, Jerry Moore <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> If they did a stand alone UHF/VHF I'd suggest it have dual receivers,
>>> cross band tx/rx capability and VFO tracking based on Doppler built in
>>> for SAT work.
>>>
>>>> [deletia]
>>>>
>>>> My one request to Eric, last year at his presentation at Pacificon,
>>>> was for a standalone, all-mode transceiver for 2m and above.
>>>> My rationale was that, since Elecraft sells transverters for 2m, 220
>>>> MHz and
>>>> 432 MHz, they already have the technology to make this possible.
>>>> It came down to the fact that there may not be a large enough market
>>>> for such a transceiver. Makes sense.
>>>>
>>>> 73 de Jim - AD6CW
>>>>
>>
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Josh Fiden

Re: On VHF & UHF radios

How young is young? :)

73,
Josh W6XU

P.S. Bob K6QXY says you cut the phasing lines for my 6m EME array.

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> no young ones to replace them
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Re: On VHF & UHF radios

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I feel the VHF/UHF bug beginning to bite as I very slowly work my way toward a Worked All Bands.

How do the Elecraft transverters stack up with the other options?

73 BIll AE6JV

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Re: On VHF & UHF radios

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Hi Josh
Young is anyone who has hair left that isn't white. I think I did tune a
bunch of phasing lines for Bob and his six meter antenna. I had an HP 875D
network analyzer and could trim them to one degree. On the higher bands, I
used a belt sander to trim the coax! It was a good way to trim the cables
accurately.

Dave K1WHS
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From: "Josh" <[hidden email]>
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] On VHF & UHF radios

> How young is young? :)
>
> 73,
> Josh W6XU
>
> P.S. Bob K6QXY says you cut the phasing lines for my 6m EME array.
>
> Sent from my mobile device
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>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 10:44 AM, Dave Olean <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> no young ones to replace them