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*The Plain Truth* Better antennas = better communication. Transmit antennas are not always be best antennas for reception. Propagation determines communications. Power has little to do with propagation when it is in your favor. If you cant hear them you cant work them. And even then, if you can hear them many times, propagation is not 2 way. Having a 1500 watt signal on the air has nothing to do with being able to hear who is hearing you. Otherwise, your just QRM. Alligator syndrome. RFI from 1500 watts, Near Field interference, Electrical energy cost are all added problems of excessive power. Water soaked Coax with poor antenna installation with negative 12 db loss takes 1500 watts to 100 watts on a 100 ft run, using, 100 watts going down to 1/2 watt, you can still talk because: QRP works! A 1500 watt amplifier is not going to make you a better operator. Many amps today that are being produced over seas have tetrode finals that will put out 2500 watts easily, check your coax at the frequency that you want to run and you may be in for a surprise. If you swr is greater than near unity, you may have problems with the reflected power melting down the foam by heat and creating more loss. With an amp you have to have resonant antennas, you don't want RF in the shack. And at that power level antenna tuners become a very effective Ozone generator, keeps you shack smelling nice and fresh but it does not do much for your finals and spark gap was outlawed quite some time back. I have a 1.2 kw amp and run it at 450 to 500 watts, why, because it puts me in a contest class that I can be competitive in because I don't have 6 towers with stacked beams. Hell I don't even have a beam, just a good vertical and made 1500 QSO in CQWW WPX, from the middle of the USA, Kansas. I do have a NCC1 Dxengineering 2 antenna receiving array that I put up for contests only. But, on the other hand, I run CW and CW gets through 599 with 100 watts where the same would take 15000 watts on SSB for the same arm chair communication. The cheapest way to communicate with less power is painful for some, but the truth is always painful when you take the easy way out. Drum Roll, Learn CW My 2 cents, and add that to 3$ and you might be able to get a good cup of coffee or a good sized can or Monster III. Vy 73, Morgan NJ8M ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Bravo ! Best read in this thread.
73, F5VJC On 2 August 2016 at 20:27, Morgan Bailey <[hidden email]> wrote: > Back to the endless amp forum posts. > > *The Plain Truth* > > Better antennas = better communication. > Transmit antennas are not always be best antennas for reception. > Propagation determines communications. > > Power has little to do with propagation when it is in your favor. > > If you cant hear them you cant work them. And even then, if you can hear > them many times, propagation is not 2 way. > > Having a 1500 watt signal on the air has nothing to do with being able to > hear who is hearing you. Otherwise, your just QRM. Alligator syndrome. > > RFI from 1500 watts, Near Field interference, Electrical energy cost are > all added problems of excessive power. > > Water soaked Coax with poor antenna installation with negative 12 db > loss takes 1500 watts to 100 watts on a 100 ft run, using, 100 watts going > down to 1/2 watt, you can still talk because: QRP works! > > A 1500 watt amplifier is not going to make you a better operator. > Many amps today that are being produced over seas have tetrode finals that > will put out 2500 watts easily, check your coax at the frequency that you > want to run and you may be in for a surprise. If you swr is greater than > near unity, you may have problems with the reflected power melting down the > foam by heat and creating more loss. With an amp you have to have resonant > antennas, you don't want RF in the shack. And at that power level antenna > tuners become a very effective Ozone generator, keeps you shack smelling > nice and fresh but it does not do much for your finals and spark gap was > outlawed quite some time back. > > I have a 1.2 kw amp and run it at 450 to 500 watts, why, because it puts me > in a contest class that I can be competitive in because I don't have 6 > towers with stacked beams. Hell I don't even have a beam, just a good > vertical and made 1500 QSO in CQWW WPX, from the middle of the USA, Kansas. > I do have a NCC1 Dxengineering 2 antenna receiving array that I put up for > contests only. But, on the other hand, I run CW and CW gets through 599 > with 100 watts where the same would take 15000 watts on SSB for the same > arm chair communication. > > The cheapest way to communicate with less power is painful for some, but > the truth is always painful when you take the easy way out. > > Drum Roll, > > Learn CW > > My 2 cents, and add that to 3$ and you might be able to get a good cup of > coffee or a good sized can or Monster III. > > Vy 73, > > Morgan NJ8M > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I know it's the political season, so there's a lot of this going around, but the
plain truth is just a bunch of bafflegab. On 8/2/2016 11:27 AM, Morgan Bailey wrote: > Back to the endless amp forum posts. > > *The Plain Truth* > > Better antennas = better communication. > Transmit antennas are not always be best antennas for reception. > Propagation determines communications. > > Power has little to do with propagation when it is in your favor. > > If you cant hear them you cant work them. And even then, if you can hear > them many times, propagation is not 2 way. > > Having a 1500 watt signal on the air has nothing to do with being able to > hear who is hearing you. Otherwise, your just QRM. Alligator syndrome. > > RFI from 1500 watts, Near Field interference, Electrical energy cost are > all added problems of excessive power. > > Water soaked Coax with poor antenna installation with negative 12 db > loss takes 1500 watts to 100 watts on a 100 ft run, using, 100 watts going > down to 1/2 watt, you can still talk because: QRP works! > > A 1500 watt amplifier is not going to make you a better operator. > Many amps today that are being produced over seas have tetrode finals that > will put out 2500 watts easily, check your coax at the frequency that you > want to run and you may be in for a surprise. If you swr is greater than > near unity, you may have problems with the reflected power melting down the > foam by heat and creating more loss. With an amp you have to have resonant > antennas, you don't want RF in the shack. And at that power level antenna > tuners become a very effective Ozone generator, keeps you shack smelling > nice and fresh but it does not do much for your finals and spark gap was > outlawed quite some time back. > > I have a 1.2 kw amp and run it at 450 to 500 watts, why, because it puts me > in a contest class that I can be competitive in because I don't have 6 > towers with stacked beams. Hell I don't even have a beam, just a good > vertical and made 1500 QSO in CQWW WPX, from the middle of the USA, Kansas. > I do have a NCC1 Dxengineering 2 antenna receiving array that I put up for > contests only. But, on the other hand, I run CW and CW gets through 599 > with 100 watts where the same would take 15000 watts on SSB for the same > arm chair communication. > > The cheapest way to communicate with less power is painful for some, but > the truth is always painful when you take the easy way out. > > Drum Roll, > > Learn CW > > My 2 cents, and add that to 3$ and you might be able to get a good cup of > coffee or a good sized can or Monster III. > > Vy 73, > > Morgan NJ8M ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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...is it my imagination or are a number of Elecraft customers anal
retentive when it comes to an Elecraft amplifier that does not and may not ever exist ?? Mike / W8DN On 8/3/2016 1:31 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: > I know it's the political season, so there's a lot of this going > around, but the plain truth is just a bunch of bafflegab. > > On 8/2/2016 11:27 AM, Morgan Bailey wrote: >> Back to the endless amp forum posts. >> >> *The Plain Truth* >> >> Better antennas = better communication. >> Transmit antennas are not always be best antennas for reception. >> Propagation determines communications. >> >> Power has little to do with propagation when it is in your favor. >> >> If you cant hear them you cant work them. And even then, if you can hear >> them many times, propagation is not 2 way. >> >> Having a 1500 watt signal on the air has nothing to do with being >> able to >> hear who is hearing you. Otherwise, your just QRM. Alligator syndrome. >> >> RFI from 1500 watts, Near Field interference, Electrical energy cost are >> all added problems of excessive power. >> >> Water soaked Coax with poor antenna installation with negative 12 db >> loss takes 1500 watts to 100 watts on a 100 ft run, using, 100 watts >> going >> down to 1/2 watt, you can still talk because: QRP works! >> >> A 1500 watt amplifier is not going to make you a better operator. >> Many amps today that are being produced over seas have tetrode finals >> that >> will put out 2500 watts easily, check your coax at the frequency that >> you >> want to run and you may be in for a surprise. If you swr is greater than >> near unity, you may have problems with the reflected power melting >> down the >> foam by heat and creating more loss. With an amp you have to have >> resonant >> antennas, you don't want RF in the shack. And at that power level >> antenna >> tuners become a very effective Ozone generator, keeps you shack smelling >> nice and fresh but it does not do much for your finals and spark gap was >> outlawed quite some time back. >> >> I have a 1.2 kw amp and run it at 450 to 500 watts, why, because it >> puts me >> in a contest class that I can be competitive in because I don't have 6 >> towers with stacked beams. Hell I don't even have a beam, just a good >> vertical and made 1500 QSO in CQWW WPX, from the middle of the USA, >> Kansas. >> I do have a NCC1 Dxengineering 2 antenna receiving array that I put >> up for >> contests only. But, on the other hand, I run CW and CW gets through 599 >> with 100 watts where the same would take 15000 watts on SSB for the same >> arm chair communication. >> >> The cheapest way to communicate with less power is painful for some, but >> the truth is always painful when you take the easy way out. >> >> Drum Roll, >> >> Learn CW >> >> My 2 cents, and add that to 3$ and you might be able to get a good >> cup of >> coffee or a good sized can or Monster III. >> >> Vy 73, >> >> Morgan NJ8M > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Can't comment on the possibility of a 1500W amp, but I am certain neither Wayne nor Eric will be putting the Elecraft name on an amp they did not design to their standards..
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Folks - End of thread(again) in the interest of keeping list volume reasonable
for our readers.. We ended this and the other 1500 W Amplifier threads yesterday. If and when we decide to do a higher power amp designed to our standards, we'll let everyone here know first. :-) 73, Eric Moderator and Cheerleader /elecraft.com / On 8/3/2016 2:59 PM, Bob N3MNT wrote: > Can't comment on the possibility of a 1500W amp, but I am certain neither > Wayne nor Eric will be putting the Elecraft name on an amp they did not > design to their standards.. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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