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Vic Rosenthal

Re: Eric's missing FDIM talk

I wouldn't say this. First, the performance improvements are small,
especially if you already have the new synth. Second, most of the new
parts can be purchased as upgrades to the K3.

True, the resale value of a K3 has gone down, but if it's a 'retirement
rig' then that doesn't matter.

73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
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On 14 May 2015 19:27, Gerald Manthey wrote:
> So Basically my K3 is no longer in production. After saving up and buy the
> newest retirement rig, it is now out of production. This is a sad day.
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Wes (N7WS)

Re: Eric's missing FDIM talk

In reply to this post by KC6CNN

Look on the bright side. There are going to be a lot of good used K3s (little
s) on the market (likely including mine) at bargain prices.

Wes N7WS

On 5/14/2015 9:27 AM, Gerald Manthey wrote:
> So Basically my K3 is no longer in production. After saving up and buy the
> newest retirement rig, it is now out of production. This is a sad day.
>
>

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Ken Bandy, KJ9B

Re: Eric's missing FDIM talk

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Thanks, Jim. Good point about the "upgradability". I'm sure Electraft
makes a great radio, otherwise it would not be the "go to" rig for lots of
DXpeditions. Unfortunately, it's pretty "spicey" for me at this point.
I'll see what I can harvest from Dayton, and maybe just hold off on my
decision for a while until the "orphaned" K3 rigs start showing up on the
used market.

73,
Ken, KJ9B

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On Thu,5/14/2015 9:03 AM, Ken Bandy, KJ9B wrote:
> Yeah, this just made my decision easier on whether to purchase a K3 as a
complementary rig to my Eagle. I was pushing the "financial envelope"
before the K3s upgrade.

Don't rule out a used K3, Ken. This announcement insures that there will be
some around. :) Not mine, though -- I've already bought the Synth upgrade
to three K3s, and may upgrade the I/O and preamp.

Think about this, Ken -- for any other mfr, a new rig like this would
obsolete the previous model. With Elecraft, we'll be able to upgrade pieces
of it that we care about for a fraction of the cost. The new synth board,
for example, costs about $200 and is easy to install.

73, Jim K9YC

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Phil Hystad-3

Re: Eric's missing FDIM talk

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Phil,
I agree with the scope of your comment. After reviewing the K3s feature list and the
improvements, the only absolutely desired features by me that I definitely plan to order
are: New Synth board and P3 TX monitoring (as soon as it is clear I can order the P3 internals only).

The main other item that interests me is the improved audio but that is not a must have.
As much as I would prefer USB for all connections to my computer, I would not buy the
USB feature if it were offered all by itself. It does not resolve my problem of a myriad of
USB to Serial adapter cables.

The new front panel design and knob are nice but they do not change the behavior of the
functioning of the K3 so I wouldn’t pay a penny to get those by themselves and they are not
being offered anyway as an add-on.

For a new purchase though, I am waiting for the K4Q model — that is, the K4 future model
including a quantum computer (actually the DSP FFT algorithm should be almost instantaneous
with a quantum computer).

Just kidding, I am in the midst of reading a great book on quantum computing: Quantum Computation
and Quantum Information (Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/dp/1107002176/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=UD886Y6SWKEQ&coliid=IDV81UIVJQH1Y)

73, phil, K7PEH

> On May 14, 2015, at 9:36 AM, Phil Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> It seems the K3S is an improvement in some areas, but I wonder how much, really? The K3 will stay near the top of the heap in the Sherwood table, to be sure. Some of the upgrades can be added to our K3s, if we so desire.
>
> The advent of the K3S has not made my K3 worse than it was yesterday; it just may not be quite the "Best", perhaps by just an iota.
>
> Perhaps I'm inadequately sensitive, but I don't find it to be "a sad day". Just think how we'd feel if instead of a K3S there had been an *all new* K4.
>
> 73, Phil W7OX
>
> On 5/14/15 9:27 AM, Gerald Manthey wrote:
>> So Basically my K3 is no longer in production. After saving up and buy the
>> newest retirement rig, it is now out of production. This is a sad day.
>>
>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Severe let down!
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Ken - K0PP
>
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Mike K8CN

Re: K3S pricing comparison

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Someone commented on the price increase for the K3S, and indeed it costs more than a base K3/10 kit did. However, since I've recently been mulling upgrades to my existing K3/10, I thought I would check the numbers. Had I started from scratch and bought the K3/10 kit ($1600, rounded from former price list), KXV3A ($130), PR6-10 ($160, which requires the KXV3A as well) and the KSYN3AUPG ($220), I would have spent $2110 excluding shipping costs. At $2099 for the base K3S/10-K, I find that the new KXV3B module with 12-6 meter preamp is included as well as the new low-noise synthesizer. Thus, I would save $11 by ordering a new K3S rather than purchasing the additional modules to add the same functionality to my existing K3. I wonder if my XYL would buy that argument, especially if I forget to sell the old K3?

I'm envious of all who are having a great time in Dayton - been years since I was able to get there!

73,
Mike, K8CN

Brad Noblet

Re: Eric's missing FDIM talk

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On Thursday, May 14, 2015, Wes (N7WS) <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Look on the bright side. There are going to be a lot of good used K3s
> (little s) on the market (likely including mine) at bargain prices.
>
> Wes N7WS
>
> On 5/14/2015 9:27 AM, Gerald Manthey wrote:
>
>> So Basically my K3 is no longer in production. After saving up and buy
>> the
>> newest retirement rig, it is now out of production. This is a sad day.
>>
>>
>>
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Ross Primrose

Re: K3S pricing comparison

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If you'd started from scratch, say, last week, you would have gotten the
new synth as part of the radio...

73, Ross N4RP

On 5/14/2015 1:27 PM, Mike K8CN wrote:

> Someone commented on the price increase for the K3S, and indeed it costs more
> than a base K3/10 kit did. However, since I've recently been mulling
> upgrades to my existing K3/10, I thought I would check the numbers. Had I
> started from scratch and bought the K3/10 kit ($1600, rounded from former
> price list), KXV3A ($130), PR6-10 ($160, which requires the KXV3A as well)
> and the KSYN3AUPG ($220), I would have spent $2110 excluding shipping costs.
> At $2099 for the base K3S/10-K, I find that the new KXV3B module with 12-6
> meter preamp is included as well as the new low-noise synthesizer. Thus, I
> would save $11 by ordering a new K3S rather than purchasing the additional
> modules to add the same functionality to my existing K3. I wonder if my XYL
> would buy that argument, especially if I forget to sell the old K3?
>
> I'm envious of all who are having a great time in Dayton - been years since
> I was able to get there!
>
> 73,
> Mike, K8CN
>
>
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Mike K8CN

Re: K3S pricing comparison

Right you are, Ross! I missed that golden window of real cost savings opportunity.

Cheers,
Mike, K8CN

Rick Tavan N6XI

Re: Eric's missing FDIM talk

In reply to this post by Jim Brown-10

Exactly, Jim. Not only are the most significant improvements in K3S
available as retrofits to the K3 but also the original K3 will continue to
enjoy full, Elecraft support. They advertise that support as "legendary"
and are the only company I can think of that can say that truthfully. IMHO,
this product announcement was the best I've ever seen in terms of full,
clear disclosure, backward compatibility and continuing support. Kudos,
Elecraft!

/Rick N6XI

On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 6:39 AM, Jim Brown <[hidden email]>
wrote:

>
>>
> Don't rule out a used K3, Ken. This announcement insures that there will
> be some around. :) Not mine, though -- I've already bought the Synth
> upgrade to three K3s, and may upgrade the I/O and preamp.
>
> Think about this, Ken -- for any other mfr, a new rig like this would
> obsolete the previous model. With Elecraft, we'll be able to upgrade pieces
> of it that we care about for a fraction of the cost. The new synth board,
> for example, costs about $200 and is easy to install.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC

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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: K3S pricing comparison

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On 2015-05-14 1:27 PM, Mike K8CN wrote:
> Someone commented on the price increase for the K3S, and indeed it
> costs more than a base K3/10 kit did. However, since I've recently
> been mulling upgrades to my existing K3/10, I thought I would check
> the numbers. Had I started from scratch and bought the K3/10 kit
> ($1600, rounded from former price list), KXV3A ($130), PR6-10 ($160,
> which requires the KXV3A as well) and the KSYN3AUPG ($220), I would
> have spent $2110 excluding shipping costs.

Only one flaw in your calculation ... if you had ordered the K3/10
last week it would have included the KSYN3AUPG so the cost would
have been $1890 not $2210. That will make the used K3/10 rigs that
come on the market with KXV3 and no KSYN3A a reasonable bargain.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2015-05-14 1:27 PM, Mike K8CN wrote:

NK7Z

Re: Eric's missing FDIM talk

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That also happened to me... Oh well, at least it is now the second best
rig around...
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On Thu, 2015-05-14 at 11:27 -0500, Gerald Manthey wrote:

> So Basically my K3 is no longer in production. After saving up and buy the
> newest retirement rig, it is now out of production. This is a sad day.
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Severe let down!
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Ken - K0PP
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Guy Olinger K2AV

Eric's missing FDIM talk

>
> On 5/14/2015 9:27 AM, Gerald Manthey wrote:
>
>> So Basically my K3 is no longer in production. After saving up and buy
>> the
>> newest retirement rig, it is now out of production. This is a sad day.
>>
>
Gerald, did you ever buy a new car? :>)

What did you do when the next year's models came out? :>)

And that cost way more than a K3. And new car models come once a year.

The K3 is the model since 2008. That's a long time for an incrementally
improved "same" model. Sooner or later there is no way to shoehorn a new
mod into the old chassis.

My solution to the new model year car conundrum is to drive mine until it
has 250,000 miles on it and keep it maintained and in good repair. Ditto on
the K3. Though I might later get a K3S and never take it out of the shack,
keep the K3 as I frequently go walkabout with the K3. The K3 has already
been pre-disastered and is the one to risk to the big bad world.

73, Guy

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Gary Gregory-2

Re: Eric's missing FDIM talk

Guy

The auto manufacturers advertise the new models well in advance of arrival
on the showroom. They also offer substantial discounts or upgraded models.

Perhaps your auto analagy might not be appropriate.

Just sayin......

Gary
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On 15/05/2015 11:20 AM, "Guy Olinger K2AV" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> >
> > On 5/14/2015 9:27 AM, Gerald Manthey wrote:
> >
> >> So Basically my K3 is no longer in production. After saving up and buy
> >> the
> >> newest retirement rig, it is now out of production. This is a sad day.
> >>
> >
> Gerald, did you ever buy a new car? :>)
>
> What did you do when the next year's models came out? :>)
>
> And that cost way more than a K3. And new car models come once a year.
>
> The K3 is the model since 2008. That's a long time for an incrementally
> improved "same" model. Sooner or later there is no way to shoehorn a new
> mod into the old chassis.
>
> My solution to the new model year car conundrum is to drive mine until it
> has 250,000 miles on it and keep it maintained and in good repair. Ditto on
> the K3. Though I might later get a K3S and never take it out of the shack,
> keep the K3 as I frequently go walkabout with the K3. The K3 has already
> been pre-disastered and is the one to risk to the big bad world.
>
> 73, Guy
>
>
>
>
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Guy Olinger K2AV

Re: Eric's missing FDIM talk

I'll stick by what I said.

73, Guy K2AV

On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:25 PM, Gary Gregory <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Guy
>
> The auto manufacturers advertise the new models well in advance of arrival
> on the showroom. They also offer substantial discounts or upgraded models.
>
> Perhaps your auto analagy might not be appropriate.
>
> Just sayin......
>
> Gary
> Vk1ZZ
> K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT
> On 15/05/2015 11:20 AM, "Guy Olinger K2AV" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> >
>> > On 5/14/2015 9:27 AM, Gerald Manthey wrote:
>> >
>> >> So Basically my K3 is no longer in production. After saving up and buy
>> >> the
>> >> newest retirement rig, it is now out of production. This is a sad day.
>> >>
>> >
>> Gerald, did you ever buy a new car? :>)
>>
>> What did you do when the next year's models came out? :>)
>>
>> And that cost way more than a K3. And new car models come once a year.
>>
>> The K3 is the model since 2008. That's a long time for an incrementally
>> improved "same" model. Sooner or later there is no way to shoehorn a new
>> mod into the old chassis.
>>
>> My solution to the new model year car conundrum is to drive mine until it
>> has 250,000 miles on it and keep it maintained and in good repair. Ditto
>> on
>> the K3. Though I might later get a K3S and never take it out of the shack,
>> keep the K3 as I frequently go walkabout with the K3. The K3 has already
>> been pre-disastered and is the one to risk to the big bad world.
>>
>> 73, Guy
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Raymond Sills

Re: Eric's missing FDIM talk

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OTOH, most automobiles are manufactured by the millions, by companies
with budgets in the billions. And, I suspect that the "discounts" are
already built into the pricing strategy. Last year's models usually
benefit from a price reduction, mostly because the dealerships do not
want the inventory cost of keeping a lot of old models around.

A much different market scale.

73 de Ray
K2ULR

On May 14, 2015, at 9:25 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:

> Guy
>
> The auto manufacturers advertise the new models well in advance of
> arrival
> on the showroom. They also offer substantial discounts or upgraded
> models.
>
> Perhaps your auto analagy might not be appropriate.
>
> Just sayin......
>
> Gary
> Vk1ZZ
> K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT
> On 15/05/2015 11:20 AM, "Guy Olinger K2AV" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> On 5/14/2015 9:27 AM, Gerald Manthey wrote:
>>>
>>>> So Basically my K3 is no longer in production. After saving up
>>>> and buy
>>>> the
>>>> newest retirement rig, it is now out of production. This is a sad
>>>> day.
>>>>
>>>
>> Gerald, did you ever buy a new car? :>)
>>
>> What did you do when the next year's models came out? :>)
>>
>> And that cost way more than a K3. And new car models come once a
>> year.
>>
>> The K3 is the model since 2008. That's a long time for an
>> incrementally
>> improved "same" model. Sooner or later there is no way to shoehorn
>> a new
>> mod into the old chassis.
>>
>> My solution to the new model year car conundrum is to drive mine
>> until it
>> has 250,000 miles on it and keep it maintained and in good repair.
>> Ditto on
>> the K3. Though I might later get a K3S and never take it out of the
>> shack,
>> keep the K3 as I frequently go walkabout with the K3. The K3 has
>> already
>> been pre-disastered and is the one to risk to the big bad world.
>>
>> 73, Guy
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Jim Bolit

Re: Eric's missing FDIM talk

The art and science of market pricing applies to all, regardless of what they are selling.

The above statement holds true only if you want to be a long term viable business.

Jim
W6AIM

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To: Ray W2RS via Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk

OTOH, most automobiles are manufactured by the millions, by companies with budgets in the billions. And, I suspect that the "discounts" are already built into the pricing strategy. Last year's models usually benefit from a price reduction, mostly because the dealerships do not want the inventory cost of keeping a lot of old models around.

A much different market scale.

73 de Ray
K2ULR

On May 14, 2015, at 9:25 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:

> Guy
>
> The auto manufacturers advertise the new models well in advance of
> arrival on the showroom. They also offer substantial discounts or
> upgraded models.
>
> Perhaps your auto analagy might not be appropriate.
>
> Just sayin......
>
> Gary
> Vk1ZZ
> K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT
> On 15/05/2015 11:20 AM, "Guy Olinger K2AV" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> On 5/14/2015 9:27 AM, Gerald Manthey wrote:
>>>
>>>> So Basically my K3 is no longer in production. After saving up and
>>>> buy the newest retirement rig, it is now out of production. This is
>>>> a sad day.
>>>>
>>>
>> Gerald, did you ever buy a new car? :>)
>>
>> What did you do when the next year's models came out? :>)
>>
>> And that cost way more than a K3. And new car models come once a
>> year.
>>
>> The K3 is the model since 2008. That's a long time for an
>> incrementally improved "same" model. Sooner or later there is no way
>> to shoehorn a new mod into the old chassis.
>>
>> My solution to the new model year car conundrum is to drive mine
>> until it has 250,000 miles on it and keep it maintained and in good
>> repair.
>> Ditto on
>> the K3. Though I might later get a K3S and never take it out of the
>> shack, keep the K3 as I frequently go walkabout with the K3. The K3
>> has already been pre-disastered and is the one to risk to the big bad
>> world.
>>
>> 73, Guy
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Kevin Stover

Re: Eric's missing FDIM talk

In reply to this post by Ken G Kopp

That isn't what he said. He said he was on the financiall fence about buying the K3 and the $500 price increase swayed him back toward another Eagle. Elecraft is about to learn a painful economic lesson.

A 20% price increase is ridiculous for a new synth, a native USB port and 100KHz receive which amounted to changing three caps on the exisitng K3BPF. Oooops I forgot the new faceplate.

I may still buy another as my curerent one is now gold. I won't be buying the P3 or much of anything else Elecraft afdterwards. $6K for a fully stuffed radio is too much.

$2899 for a K3/100F means you can't order a CW filter of any flavor and stay under $3Kshipped.

On Thu, 14 May 2015 10:33:38 -0600
Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I'm astounded that one poster considers the TenTec Eagle to
> be in the same league with a K3/k3s. It simply isn't even close.
>
> 73!
>
> Ken K0PP - K0PP
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

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Re: Eric's missing FDIM talk

Have you factored in that it basically now comes with more included options than the K3 did?

So to compare K3 (+1600) + PR6-10 ($160 option) + KXV3A ($120 option) = $1880

It's really only about a $220 Difference between the K3 and The K3S
(Plus the K3S even has the new synthesizer board in it)

Seems to me the K3S is actually a pretty sweet deal

Dang, I may have talked myself into getting one

From: Kevin Stover <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk

That isn't what he said. He said he was on the financiall fence about buying the K3 and the $500 price increase swayed him back toward another Eagle. Elecraft is about to learn a painful economic lesson.

A 20% price increase is ridiculous for a new synth, a native USB port and 100KHz receive which amounted to changing three caps on the exisitng K3BPF. Oooops I forgot the new faceplate.

I may still buy another as my curerent one is now gold. I won't be buying the P3 or much of anything else Elecraft afdterwards. $6K for a fully stuffed radio is too much.

$2899 for a K3/100F means you can't order a CW filter of any flavor and stay under $3Kshipped.

On Thu, 14 May 2015 10:33:38 -0600
Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I'm astounded that one poster considers the TenTec Eagle to
> be in the same league with a K3/k3s. It simply isn't even close.
>
> 73!
>
> Ken K0PP - K0PP
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

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Buddy Brannan

Re: Eric's missing FDIM talk

Moreover, it's still cheaper than, say, an Icom IC-7800 or Yaesu FT-9000. Maybe even a '5000? And those rigs can't be scaled down. Never mind the long support cycle they don't have that your K3 does have. Are those things not worth something to you? It's OK if they aren't everyone's different, but I can guarantee that they're worth something to many, which is why Elecraft still sells radios. Oh yeah...support...just ain't going to get it in the same league from other companies. But again, you may have different values, and that's OK. Me, if I could afford to buy a K3S vs. some other high end rig, I know what I'd be buying, no mistake. Of course, what I'll probably do someday is get the KXPA100 instead. Oh hey, guess what I use if I want 100 watts? An Elecraft K2. Which is still fully supported more than 10 years after I obtained it, and more than 15 years after it was first introduced. You gonna get that kind of support from Yaecomwoodlincotec?

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> On May 15, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Have you factored in that it basically now comes with more included options than the K3 did?
>
> So to compare K3 (+1600) + PR6-10 ($160 option) + KXV3A ($120 option) = $1880
>
> It's really only about a $220 Difference between the K3 and The K3S
> (Plus the K3S even has the new synthesizer board in it)
>
>
> Seems to me the K3S is actually a pretty sweet deal
>
>
>
>
> Dang, I may have talked myself into getting one
>
>
>
>
> From: Kevin Stover <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 6:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk
>
> That isn't what he said. He said he was on the financiall fence about buying the K3 and the $500 price increase swayed him back toward another Eagle. Elecraft is about to learn a painful economic lesson.
>
> A 20% price increase is ridiculous for a new synth, a native USB port and 100KHz receive which amounted to changing three caps on the exisitng K3BPF. Oooops I forgot the new faceplate.
>
> I may still buy another as my curerent one is now gold. I won't be buying the P3 or much of anything else Elecraft afdterwards. $6K for a fully stuffed radio is too much.
>
> $2899 for a K3/100F means you can't order a CW filter of any flavor and stay under $3Kshipped.
>
> On Thu, 14 May 2015 10:33:38 -0600
> Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>> I'm astounded that one poster considers the TenTec Eagle to
>> be in the same league with a K3/k3s. It simply isn't even close.
>>
>> 73!
>>
>> Ken K0PP - K0PP
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>
> --
> R. Kevin Stover
> AC0H
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Phil Wheeler-2

Re: Eric's missing FDIM talk

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Your analysis makes sense, Harry. And a new knob
and LCD surround, too: Priceless :-)

It will be interesting to see performance
comparisons, the K3S vs. the K3 (with new synth
board installed).

Phil W7OX

On 5/15/15 4:24 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

> Have you factored in that it basically now comes with more included options than the K3 did?
>
> So to compare K3 (+1600) + PR6-10 ($160 option) + KXV3A ($120 option) = $1880
>
> It's really only about a $220 Difference between the K3 and The K3S
> (Plus the K3S even has the new synthesizer board in it)
>
>
> Seems to me the K3S is actually a pretty sweet deal
>
>
>
>
> Dang, I may have talked myself into getting one
>
>
>
>
> From: Kevin Stover <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 6:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk
>
> That isn't what he said. He said he was on the financiall fence about buying the K3 and the $500 price increase swayed him back toward another Eagle. Elecraft is about to learn a painful economic lesson.
>
> A 20% price increase is ridiculous for a new synth, a native USB port and 100KHz receive which amounted to changing three caps on the exisitng K3BPF. Oooops I forgot the new faceplate.
>
> I may still buy another as my curerent one is now gold. I won't be buying the P3 or much of anything else Elecraft afdterwards. $6K for a fully stuffed radio is too much.
>
> $2899 for a K3/100F means you can't order a CW filter of any flavor and stay under $3Kshipped.