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Phil, et al:
You can do this now without bother Elecraft. Save the "newest" manual to a CD, bring it to your local printer (Kinkos comes to mind) and they'll work whatever magic you want - spiral bound, two sided, giant format, each page laminated, etc. All it takes is some cash. de Doug KR2Q _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I'd be satisfied with being able to edit the manuals to insert the errata in their proper place.
What software package will permit this? Brian/K3KO
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Brian,
I believe you can do that with the 'paid-for' version of Adobe Acrobat - the free reader does not allow much more than simple markup. 73, Don W3FPR K3KO wrote: > I'd be satisfied with being able to edit the manuals to insert the errata in > their proper place. > > What software package will permit this? > > Brian/K3KO > > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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You could try the Foxit Reader http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php . It's useful if you want a small and lightweight reader for Acrobat files instead of the Adobe bloatware. I haven't tried this feature but the write-up suggests you can annotate PDF files with it, which is not the same as editing them, but at least it might allow you to add notes from the errata sheet.
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222 KX3 #110
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With the full Acrobat product, you can make an attempt to convert the PDF to
MS Word format. Depending on how structurally complex the document it, and what the original source authoring software was, this will be more or less successful -- usually less. If the conversion does replicate the original format fairly well, though, you can edit the Word file and then re-PDF it (or just leave it in Word for your own uses). In my corner of the professional tech pubs universe, however, this conversion (and any other conversion of Adobe formats to Microsoft formats) works poorly enough that it is not really useful. YMMV. Bill W5WVO Don Wilhelm wrote: > Brian, > > I believe you can do that with the 'paid-for' version of Adobe > Acrobat - the free reader does not allow much more than simple markup. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > K3KO wrote: >> I'd be satisfied with being able to edit the manuals to insert the >> errata in their proper place. >> >> What software package will permit this? >> >> Brian/K3KO >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Sat, 8 Mar 2008 20:43:39 -0700, K3KO wrote:
>With the full Acrobat product, you can make an attempt to convert the PDF to >MS Word format. Depending on how structurally complex the document it, and >what the original source authoring software was, this will be more or less >successful -- usually less. If the conversion does replicate the original >format fairly well, though, you can edit the Word file and then re-PDF it (or >just leave it in Word for your own uses). > >In my corner of the professional tech pubs universe, however, this conversion >(and any other conversion of Adobe formats to Microsoft formats) works poorly >enough that it is not really useful. YMMV. > >Bill W5WVO > > [snip] I absolutely agree. My experience is that using Acrobat for documentation is a waste of time, especially if the text will ever need to be edited. I worked for a national car loan company that had to keep up with the car loan laws in all states in the USA and provinces in Canada. If one changed it was a major emergency as far as changing Repo letters, etc. and took much longer than it would have if the company would have just used MS Word, Word Perfect or some other word processor. Not to mention that they made the changing of the form letters the responsibility of the IT department instead of the legal department????? On the other hand I worked for a company that provided banking software whose documentation in MS Word. The changing of a document by a documentation specialist was accomplished with minimal effort. Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin 1775 Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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Tom Childers, N5GE wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Mar 2008 20:43:39 -0700, K3KO wrote: > My experience is that using Acrobat for documentation is a waste of time, > especially if the text will ever need to be edited. PDF is described as a "final form" document language. That means that it tries to accurately represent the printed page, but is not editable (beyond replacing or adding whole pages). Conventional printed documents are also final form; PDF is a replacement for printed documents. Final form tends to be very important to marketing people, as they set a lot of importance on appearance, rather than contents. This doesn't just include obvious advertisements; all user guides and data sheets are, in part, marketing documents. (Data sheets more than ussr guides, as the are more likely to be seen pre-sale.) It also gives them, and their font vendors, some level of intellectual property control, in that they can put technical restrictions on how the document is used and they can include font definitions without the user being able to hijack them. Fonts are part of the desire for appearance, and, in the modern world, marketing is all about the control of intellectual property. > > I worked for a national car loan company that had to keep up with the car loan > laws in all states in the USA and provinces in Canada. If one changed it was a > major emergency as far as changing Repo letters, etc. and took much longer than > it would have if the company would have just used MS Word, Word Perfect or some Form letters really need revisable form documents, because you are inserting variable length information! Repossession letters are probably not trying to sell to the recipient, although they may use visual psychology in other ways. > On the other hand I worked for a company that provided banking software whose > documentation in MS Word. The changing of a document by a documentation > specialist was accomplished with minimal effort. That is OK if they are selling to business users of Windows, who are likely to have MS Word, and if they don't care about the exact pagination of the document, which will change for each different printer used. (I suspect they did care about pagination, but either distributed final form documents (on paper) or failed to realise that the pagination would vary.) Apart from lack of of IPR control and layout control, the big problem with Word for a more general market is that you need Microsoft software to render it correctly, and you need to buy MS Office to do it really well. Part of the aim of PDF is to produce consistent behaviour on as many platforms as possible. Adobe publish a well documented specification of the format and allow other people to implement it. Microsoft only publish a poorly documented specification, and on the strict understanding that it not be used to create products that compete with Microsoft; that means that Linux users have to rely on keeping a Windows partition, or tools that are based on black box reverse engineering, to view Word documents. If one wants a revisable form document that is universal, the best choice would have been HTML, if Microsoft had played fair, but Microsoft, for example, never implemented SVG, so line diagrams are limited to bitmaps, and they are slow in implementing other areas, only doing so when they start losing market share. They would prefer professional documenters to use Word and distribute machine readable version in Word, so that everyone has to possess Microsoft software. If you send me a Word document, I will have to be very interested in reading it before I will reboot to Windows to look at it. >> With the full Acrobat product, you can make an attempt to convert >> the PDF to MS Word format. Depending on how structurally complex >> the document it, and what the original source authoring software >> was, this will be more or less successful -- usually less. If the >> conversion does replicate the original I suspect, what you mean by structurally complete is that it uses tagged PDF. Tagged PDF basically means adding the equivalent HTML markup as an overlay to a PDF document and was primarily introduced because of accessibility legislation. Assistive technology needs to understand the intent of the formatting if it is going to successfully render documents in significantly different formats, e.g. speech. There are options in the Acrobat tools to create tagged PDF automatically from properly written Word documents, however most Word documents are not properly written from an accessibility point of view, and if one is serious about accessibility, one should not rely just on automatic tagging. (The automated support is probably only for Word because of the near monopoly that Word has in business use.) Making documents accessible does have the side effect of making them more revisable. Incidentally, although I don't know if this is already done, the operating guide sections of the K2 and K3 manuals almost certainly ought to be distributed in tagged PDF format as I suspect there are a significant number of operators who are blind or partially sighted, and would therefore benefit from "screen readers" or reflowed, enlarged text. -- David Woolley "The Elecraft list is a forum for the discussion of topics related to Elecraft products and more general topics related ham radio" List Guidelines <http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_list_guidelines.htm> _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 10:27:52 +0000, David Woolley wrote:
>Tom Childers, N5GE wrote: >> On Sat, 8 Mar 2008 20:43:39 -0700, K3KO wrote: > >> My experience is that using Acrobat for documentation is a waste of time, >> especially if the text will ever need to be edited. > >PDF is described as a "final form" document language. That means that >it tries to accurately represent the printed page, but is not editable >(beyond replacing or adding whole pages). Conventional printed >documents are also final form; PDF is a replacement for printed documents. > Agree. Thanks for the enlightening explanation of "final form". >> >> I worked for a national car loan company that had to keep up with the car loan >> laws in all states in the USA and provinces in Canada. If one changed it was a >> major emergency as far as changing Repo letters, etc. and took much longer than >> it would have if the company would have just used MS Word, Word Perfect or some > >Form letters really need revisable form documents, because you are >inserting variable length information! Repossession letters are >probably not trying to sell to the recipient, although they may use >visual psychology in other ways. Agree. Besides needing to be reflowed (they would not buy a conversion application), these documents were tagged. I was required to reposition tags and reflow via cut and paste. All of this using Acrobat 5.0 ;o). > >> On the other hand I worked for a company that provided banking software whose >> documentation in MS Word. The changing of a document by a documentation >> specialist was accomplished with minimal effort. > >That is OK if they are selling to business users of Windows, who are >likely to have MS Word, and if they don't care about the exact >pagination of the document, which will change for each different printer >used. (I suspect they did care about pagination, but either distributed >final form documents (on paper) or failed to realise that the pagination >would vary.) All of this was taken into consideration. The electronic version was included as PDF and the paper copy was printed from PDF. MS Word was the working version. The PDF versions were the archives. [snip] Once again, thank you for the in depth explanation of PDF documentation and documentation in general. It was an interesting read. Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin 1775 Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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In reply to this post by David Woolley (E.L)
In a recent message, "David Woolley (E.L)" <[hidden email]>
wrote ... >PDF is described as a "final form" document language. That means that >it tries to accurately represent the printed page, but is not editable >(beyond replacing or adding whole pages). Not entirely true, David, Adobe Acrobat does have a "Text Touchup" tool than enables changes to be made to the PDF document. In fact, I have anglicised (US anglicized) versions of the Assembly and Operator's Manuals. 73 -- David G4DMP Leeds, England, UK ------ _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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