FAR OT: Grounding and lightning

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FAR OT: Grounding and lightning

Ken G Kopp
I should have been more specific in suggesting that grounds that
might end up carrying a lightening charge not be run through concrete.

The following is from personal "real world" experience.

I know of two specific cases where tower bases were blown apart by
lightning hits to the towers because ... in the interest of "neatness" ...
their ground rods were -inside- the concrete bases.

These two events took place in the Tampa Bay (St. Petersburg) area
of Florida.  The Tampa Bay area has the distinction of having the highest
number of lightening strikes in the western hemisphere, BTW.

I worked aboard a USC&GS (NOAA) ship at the time and we did a lot of
lightening-related research.  Picture flying a balloon-borne wire to
deliberately
attract lightening!

Concrete is rarely "dry" even after years of "curing".  The dampness becomes
steam that's instantly created by the current from strike flowing through
the
ground that's -inside- the concrete.  This steam becomes part of the
explosion.

73!

Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Re: FAR OT: Grounding and lightning

David Gilbert

If that was actually the case, I would surmise that the "ground rods"
were not connected to a proper rebar cage (i.e., Ufer ground) that would
normally be able to able to distribute the lightning current over a
sufficiently large surface.  Simply putting a couple of ground rods
inside a concrete base is folly, but that is not at all the same as
having a proper Ufer ground inside the base, nor is it the same thing as
running a conductor through the base to a sufficient external ground.

It does not advance the technical competency level of our hobby to make
broad generalizations based upon narrow and poorly defined anecdotal
instances.

Dave   AB7E



On 4/25/2018 3:10 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote:

> I should have been more specific in suggesting that grounds that
> might end up carrying a lightening charge not be run through concrete.
>
> The following is from personal "real world" experience.
>
> I know of two specific cases where tower bases were blown apart by
> lightning hits to the towers because ... in the interest of "neatness" ...
> their ground rods were -inside- the concrete bases.
>
> These two events took place in the Tampa Bay (St. Petersburg) area
> of Florida.  The Tampa Bay area has the distinction of having the highest
> number of lightening strikes in the western hemisphere, BTW.
>
> I worked aboard a USC&GS (NOAA) ship at the time and we did a lot of
> lightening-related research.  Picture flying a balloon-borne wire to
> deliberately
> attract lightening!
>
> Concrete is rarely "dry" even after years of "curing".  The dampness becomes
> steam that's instantly created by the current from strike flowing through
> the
> ground that's -inside- the concrete.  This steam becomes part of the
> explosion.
>
> 73!
>
> Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Re: FAR OT: Grounding and lightning

Jim Brown-10
On 4/25/2018 10:15 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
> It does not advance the technical competency level of our hobby to
> make broad generalizations based upon narrow and poorly defined
> anecdotal instances.

Strongly agree.

73, Jim K9YC

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