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Bill W4ZV
        First, my hat is off to all you guys who use QRP all the time!
I normally run full legal power in contests to large antennas (180'
vertical on 160 and an 18 element stack on 10).  Rather than running
stations, I would guess all but a handful of my QSO's were S&P, and
I quickly got accustomed to the idea that if ANYONE else was calling
I would not be heard.  Quite a change from my normal mode of
contesting and humility was definitely the order of the weekend.

        Field Day was my first contest experience with my new K2 (#4119)
and it performed mostly flawlessly.  I only noticed a few unusual aspects
to it which may be operator error:

1.  The QSK had a "thumpy" sound when listening in the monitor.  I
also got the impression that I was not hearing between characters as
much as between words.  Perhaps there is an adjustment I need to
make when my mind is clear.

2.  I never totally figured out the Power meter.  I normally use an external
meter but decided to use the K2's meter only for simplicity.  What I
noticed was that the power displayed when turning the Power pot while
not keying was not the same as power in key-down Tune.  Also, in Tune
the incremental changes were sometimes very large (i.e. 1W at ~5W output).
Again I may need to read the manual.

3.  When recording CW messages, the K2's timing seemed to often get
distorted.  I eventually got messages to sound almost right but it took
a bit of doing to get there.

100% CW QRP Results (not computer-checked since I did manual logging and
duping):

80m - 65
40m - 239
20m - 200
15m - 49
Total - 553

Time:  19.5 hours (things were just too slow with bugs, poor light and
blowing mist
making me miserable around 2 AM so I QRT until 6:30 AM).

I worked 48 states including KL7 and KH6.  KO7X (WY) was deaf and I heard
ND several times working stations I was calling.  LU6EF answered me on 15
and sent an exchange which I logged.  I also worked an SM5 on 20 in the
evening when things were very slow (he did not send an exchange so I did
not log that one).  It also seemed to me that I heard many QRP stations with
good signals (e.g. N0SS) working others, but they never CQed and I never
CQed (because it was so unproductive), so I suspect there were only a limited
number of higher powered stations to work.

Equipment: Elecraft K2, Emtech ZM-2 Antenna Tuner (a great little tuner),
deep-cycle 75 AH battery plus small VW solar panel, 180' EDZ at about 60' on
a mountain top about 3-400' above average nearby terrain.  Oriented for max
lobes on 80/40 to N/S and max lobes on 20/15 to E/W.  No computer
and no power except to the K2 (lighting by Coleman lantern).  Screened
shelter but the bugs eventually discovered the opening at the bottom of the
sides since the shelter did not have a floor.

        Will I do this again?  Probably not.  It was fun but a lot of work to set
up and
take down, and 550 QSO's in 19.5 hours is just too slow to keep my interest
up.
It also seemed to me that the CW bands were surprisingly empty.  Maybe we're
beginning to see the effects of waning CW interest in the general ham
population.
It also seemed to me that I heard many QRP stations with good signals (e.g.
N0SS) working others, but they never CQed and I never CQed (since it was so
unproductive), so I suspect there were only a limited number of higher powered
stations to work.  At this point I'm not even sure I will send my log in
since I
don't relish the thought of re-entering everything into the computer to
generate a
100% correct dupe sheet (I know I made errors with the paper one).

        Now I'm looking forward to trying Flight of the Bumblebees where there
may actually be stations trying to find the weaker Bees!  Hopefully that
may be a
bit more fun and the 4 hour duration will also help if it isn't.  See you then!

                                        73,  Bill  W4ZV

P.S.  My XYL enjoyed the solitude while I was operating and I once stopped to
to go alert her about the beautiful serenade by a Wood Thrush in the canopy
of 80-
90' hardwood trees...sounded like Nature's version of Sir James Galway on the
flute who we just recently heard in a Symphony performance!


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Re: FD W4ZV 1B QRP Single Op

Jim Brown-10
On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 22:54:28 -0400, Bill Tippett wrote:

>It also seemed to me that the CW bands were surprisingly empty.  Maybe we're
>beginning to see the effects of waning CW interest in the general ham
>population.
>It also seemed to me that I heard many QRP stations with good signals (e.g.
>N0SS) working others, but they never CQed and I never CQed (since it was so
>unproductive),

Our 100 watt 3A (K9OR) made 1039 Q's on 40 meters alone. The operator of that
position worked 40 cw for 22 hours, pausing only for a nap when things slowed
down (2:30 am)  Our antennas were all dipoles at decent heights. I split my time
between 80, 20, and 15, and worked you on 80.  Somehow we missed you on 40.

Jim K9YC


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Re: FD W4ZV 1B QRP Single Op

Bill W4ZV
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K9YC wrote:
 >Our 100 watt 3A (K9OR) made 1039 Q's on 40 meters alone.

         You may have missed the point Jim.  100 watts is 13 dB stronger
than 5 watts.  If most QRP stations like myself found that CQ-ing
was simply not effective and did S&P only, the universe of stations
to work is FAR less.  I suspect most stations CQ-ing were 100 watts.
Also many guys choose to mainly do S&P independent of power.  If you
cannot effectively CQ, you are going to miss both the QRP guys who
are S&P only as well as the 100 watt guys who choose not to CQ.  You
can never do well in any contest (except for the NCJ Sprints) unless
you can maintain effective rates CQ-ing.

         I thought I might be able to CQ on the higher bands well up
in the band and out of the way of stronger signals, but that simply
would not work on any band for me, even though I tried many times.
Such is life with QRP and wire antennas I suspect.  As I said
before, it was a good lesson in humility but I'm not sure I want
to repeat it again!  I think I learned this lesson once before in
the Stew Perry Topband Challenge but had forgotten it.

                                         73,  Bill  W4ZV

P.S.  Anyone have any comments on my K2 questions?  QSK thumping,
power meter inconsistencies or memory keying timing?

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Re: FD W4ZV 1B QRP Single Op

Jim Brown-10
No, I didn't miss it at all. I found your observations to be completely in line with my
expectations. For most contests, I have to operate as if I were QRP -- no beam, 100
watts to compromise wire antennas on a city lot (and often a high noise level).  That
puts me roughly 17 dB below the guys with legal power and beams (and it puts QRP
to a wire antenna 30 dB below legal power and beams). In other words, you've
learned how I have to operate in virtually every contest except Field Day, and is why
Field Day is my favorite contest -- there are very few stations running more than 100
watts!  

But I have a lot of fun working contests at home,  because it hones my operating
skills. I am among those who believe that ALL contests ought to be limited to 100
watts to make it a more level playing field. It would mean that folks without big power
and big antennas have a better chance to hit bigger numbers.  

73,

Jim  K9YC

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 07:34:59 -0400, Bill Tippett wrote:

>K9YC wrote:
> >Our 100 watt 3A (K9OR) made 1039 Q's on 40 meters alone.
>
>         You may have missed the point Jim.  100 watts is 13 dB stronger
>than 5 watts.  If most QRP stations like myself found that CQ-ing
>was simply not effective and did S&P only, the universe of stations
>to work is FAR less.  I suspect most stations CQ-ing were 100 watts.
>Also many guys choose to mainly do S&P independent of power.  If you
>cannot effectively CQ, you are going to miss both the QRP guys who
>are S&P only as well as the 100 watt guys who choose not to CQ.  You
>can never do well in any contest (except for the NCJ Sprints) unless
>you can maintain effective rates CQ-ing.
>
>         I thought I might be able to CQ on the higher bands well up
>in the band and out of the way of stronger signals, but that simply
>would not work on any band for me, even though I tried many times.
>Such is life with QRP and wire antennas I suspect.  As I said
>before, it was a good lesson in humility but I'm not sure I want
>to repeat it again!  I think I learned this lesson once before in
>the Stew Perry Topband Challenge but had forgotten it.
>
>                                         73,  Bill  W4ZV
>
>P.S.  Anyone have any comments on my K2 questions?  QSK thumping,
>power meter inconsistencies or memory keying timing?
>
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Re: FD W4ZV 1B QRP Single Op

wayne burdick
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Hi Bill,

Congratulations on your excellent showing on Field Day. With that many
QSOs, I'm sure you'll do very well in your division. Yes, FD is a bit
of work, but it's also a great chance to get outdoors and try your hand
at emergency communication setup. I think you'll  be back next year  ;)

> ...seemed to me that the CW bands were surprisingly empty.  ...

Wow -- that wasn't my impression at all. I heard wall-to-wall CW
signals on 20 and 40 meters most of the time, and a good number on 15
and 80 meters. Having done FD for some 10 years in a row now, I'd say
that CW activity is about the same as ever.

When using QRP on Field Day, you need a lot of patience and the best
possible antenna. What I usually do is put up at least two antennas
(typically, orthogonal long wires that favor N-S and E-W). You can
connect both to the KAT2 or KAT100 at the same time, since both ATUs
have dual antenna jacks. You can then quickly test both antennas, even
on a per-signal basis, using the front panel ANT1/2 switch.

>  QSK...

Where did you have T-R set in the menu? At T-R = 0.00, the receiver is
unmuted very fast, which can cause a small receive artifact with
certain narrow crystal filter and DSP settings. But we recommend using
T-R = 0.01 or higher anyway. For casual operation, use T-R = 0.02 to
0.05.

The time required to cleanly switch the VCO between RX and TX is around
10-15 ms. We put a high value on completely clickless and chirpless CW
keying, and adjusted firmware delays accordingly. Still, wiith TR =
0.01, you should be able to hear between characters (not words) even at
50 WPM. If not, you may have an assembly or component problem
somewhere.

It's likely that we could improve VCO lock time and obtain between-dits
receive at such speeds. This is one item on my list of possible future
mods for the K2.

> Power meter...

It's a good idea to adjust POWER when not keying. During transmit, a
small additional amount of hysteresis is added to the POWER control to
improve noise margin, and this can increase the power-control step
size.

You can also usually adjust one resistor value in the BFO attenuator to
improve power-setting accuracy. Some JFETs (Q24) have much higher
transconductance than average, leading to coarser steps from the 8-bit
DAC. To compensate, try increasing the value of R98 from 270 to as high
as 470-820 ohms. (This experiment is best done with a small trim pot
installed; replace the pot with a fixed resistor close to the final pot
value.) If you adjust R98's value, make sure that the rig can still
reach at least 10 watts on all bands with POWER set to 10.0.

> CW messages...

In order to store the maximum possible characters in the K2's CW
message memories, the firmware "quantizes" your sending into
standard-length dots, dashes, and spaces. This is not as forgiving as
using a "times-8 clock" for recording, which is characteristic of some
keyers. But such keyers have a much larger EEPROM than the K2 does, or
they don't provide as many characters of storage. It's conceivable that
we could go to a larger part in the future and use a times-8 or even
times-16 sample clock. (Another item on my future mods list....)

73,
Wayne,
N6KR

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Re: Re: FD W4ZV 1B QRP Single Op

Jim Brown-10
On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:08:37 -0700, wayne burdick wrote:

>What I usually do is put up at least two antennas
>(typically, orthogonal long wires that favor N-S and E-W). You can
>connect both to the KAT2 or KAT100 at the same time, since both ATUs
>have dual antenna jacks. You can then quickly test both antennas, even
>on a per-signal basis, using the front panel ANT1/2 switch.

Strongly agree on all counts. That has proved a winning combo for me. And the switching allows me to make the most of less than ideal antennas.
I often switch between them, even in the middle of a contest QSO. It's one of the features that makes the K2 family such a powerful contest radio.
I'd like it even better if a third input to the tuners could be added!

Jim  K9YC


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Re: Re: FD W4ZV 1B QRP Single Op

Jim Brown-10
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:08:37 -0700, wayne burdick wrote:

>What I usually do is put up at least two antennas
>(typically, orthogonal long wires that favor N-S and E-W). You can
>connect both to the KAT2 or KAT100 at the same time, since both ATUs
>have dual antenna jacks. You can then quickly test both antennas, even
>on a per-signal basis, using the front panel ANT1/2 switch.

Strongly agree on all counts. That has proved a winning combo for me. And the switching allows me to make the most of less than ideal antennas.
I often switch between them, even in the middle of a contest QSO. It's one of the features that makes the K2 family such a powerful contest radio.
I'd like it even better if a third input to the tuners could be added!

Jim  K9YC


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Re: FD W4ZV 1B QRP Single Op

Bill W4ZV
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Hi Wayne,

At 11:08 AM 6/29/04, wayne burdick wrote:

>>  QSK...
>
>Where did you have T-R set in the menu? At T-R = 0.00, the receiver is
>unmuted very fast, which can cause a small receive artifact with certain
>narrow crystal filter and DSP settings. But we recommend using T-R = 0.01
>or higher anyway. For casual operation, use T-R = 0.02 to 0.05.
>
>The time required to cleanly switch the VCO between RX and TX is around
>10-15 ms. We put a high value on completely clickless and chirpless CW
>keying, and adjusted firmware delays accordingly. Still, wiith TR = 0.01,
>you should be able to hear between characters (not words) even at 50 WPM.
>If not, you may have an assembly or component problem somewhere.
>
>It's likely that we could improve VCO lock time and obtain between-dits
>receive at such speeds. This is one item on my list of possible future
>mods for the K2.

         T-R was default at 0.02 and I was normally sending at
25-30 WPM.  I'll give 0.01 a try and see if I notice a difference.
I strongly applaud your efforts on CW cleanliness.  I would
much rather live with a few QSK thumps in the receiver than
be putting out clicks on transmit!

>>Power meter...
>
>It's a good idea to adjust POWER when not keying. During transmit, a small
>additional amount of hysteresis is added to the POWER control to improve
>noise margin, and this can increase the power-control step size.
>
>You can also usually adjust one resistor value in the BFO attenuator to
>improve power-setting accuracy. Some JFETs (Q24) have much higher
>transconductance than average, leading to coarser steps from the 8-bit
>DAC. To compensate, try increasing the value of R98 from 270 to as high as
>470-820 ohms. (This experiment is best done with a small trim pot
>installed; replace the pot with a fixed resistor close to the final pot
>value.) If you adjust R98's value, make sure that the rig can still reach
>at least 10 watts on all bands with POWER set to 10.0.

         OK.  Good to know to adjust it when not keying.  I was in
the habit of monitoring that I was <5W out key down when adjusting the
Emtech ZM-2 (in it's Tune mode) and then readjusting K2 power after
switching the ZM-2 out of Tune mode (when an attenuator is switched out
of its internal circuit.  In general, I've found the K2's meter to be very
close
to my Mirage MP1 at home, but the coarseness of the adjustment during
transmit was my main concern.  Now I know to set it when not keying.

>>CW messages...
>
>In order to store the maximum possible characters in the K2's CW message
>memories, the firmware "quantizes" your sending into standard-length dots,
>dashes, and spaces. This is not as forgiving as using a "times-8 clock"
>for recording, which is characteristic of some keyers. But such keyers
>have a much larger EEPROM than the K2 does, or they don't provide as many
>characters of storage. It's conceivable that we could go to a larger part
>in the future and use a times-8 or even times-16 sample clock. (Another
>item on my future mods list....)

         As I said, with multiple tries, I could get it to sound OK,
but was wondering if I should have been doing something
differently.  This was actually the first time I've used the K2's
memories and Fast Play since I built it.

         Thanks for a very nice FD transceiver!  By the way, it
barely made a dent in my 75AH deep cycle battery plus small
180 ma solar panel.  At the end of the operation, my battery was
reading 12.71 Volts, which indicates nearly a full charge.  Since
I was relegated to mostly S&P-ing, I probably could have used
a 7AH battery for the entire contest!  I also had the K2 set to
LCD - Day all the time since I used a Coleman lantern for lighting
at night.  By the way, could you explain exactly what the K2's
performance tradeoff is when using OPT - BATT?  Does this give
mainly less sensitivity or less dynamic range?  It sounds like
sensitivity to my ears so I left it set to OPT - PERF for the entire
contest, but would like to know in case I am ever running low on
reserve battery power.

                                 73,  Bill  W4ZV

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RE: Re: FD W4ZV 1B QRP Single Op

al_lorona
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>          Thanks for a very nice FD transceiver!  By the way, it
> barely made a dent in my 75AH deep cycle battery plus small
> 180 ma solar panel.  At the end of the operation, my battery was
> reading 12.71 Volts, which indicates nearly a full charge.  Since
> I was relegated to mostly S&P-ing, I probably could have used
> a 7AH battery for the entire contest!  
>
>                                  73,  Bill  W4ZV
>

No kidding, Bill. For this, my first FD with the K2, I ran about 70 W. I
only operated maybe five hours-- the rest of the time was spent with my
5-year-old son (his first camping trip)-- and only made 160 contacts,
but I barely made a dent in a 35 A-h sealed lead acid battery. I had
taken so much battery power with me, and I never needed more than this
single battery. I was amazed. Now I know for next year that I may be
able to use this one battery if I scale back the power a bit, and for
sure if I run QRP. I usually do run QRP, and now regret that I didn't do
so this year. I will next year again.

Al  W6LX





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Re: FD W4ZV 1B QRP Single Op

wayne burdick
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On Jun 29, 2004, at 10:22 AM, Bill Tippett wrote:

> By the way, could you explain exactly what the K2's
> performance tradeoff is when using OPT - BATT?  Does this give
> mainly less sensitivity or less dynamic range?  It sounds like
> sensitivity to my ears so I left it set to OPT - PERF for the entire
> contest, but would like to know in case I am ever running low on
> reserve battery power.

Hi Bill,

OPT BATT has only a very slight impact on receiver sensitivity --
probably 1 dB or so on most bands -- and I'm sure it would not have
impacted your FD operation. It reduces current in the IF post-amp by
about 50 mA, which can be useful if you're running from a small
battery. The tradeoff is several dB of receiver dynamic range. Other
current-saving strategies include setting BAR to OFF or DOT, using
headphones, reducing TX power, turning off the preamp on the low bands,
and (as you discovered) setting LCD to DAY.

However, since you were running from a battery 10x the size needed for
a FD operation, you did the right thing by leaving it set for OPT PERF  
;)

I would estimate that you could operate continuously (hunt 'n' pounce)
for about 150 hours with a 75 AH battery. The K2 has the lowest current
drain of any high-performance transceiver, by far, and was designed
specifically with Field Day in mind.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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RE: Re: FD W4ZV 1B QRP Single Op

Robert McGwier
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I completely agree with Wayne.  Having listened to our mostly CW
bands at our QRP FD and looking at the early scores on 3830, comparing them
to previous years, I notice almost no decline.

Last year, in one of the worst single propagation years I can remember
in 30 years of FD (43 for W2GD who agrees), we came within  a few hundred
points of setting the 3A record.  We were behind only the PVRC (23A) and
Rochester (17A) in total score.   This year we were within 500 or so
points of setting the 2A battery QRP record.  You cannot do this with
a seriously falling density of CW ops because they count 2 points per
Q (10 if you are QRP).  Anecdotally and mathematically, I believe we
can argue that Bill's analysis of what he has heard is incorrect. I love
a good argument though, and will listen to any counter remarks with
interest.

Bob
N4HY

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Hi Bill,

Congratulations on your excellent showing on Field Day. With that many
QSOs, I'm sure you'll do very well in your division. Yes, FD is a bit
of work, but it's also a great chance to get outdoors and try your hand
at emergency communication setup. I think you'll  be back next year  ;)

> ...seemed to me that the CW bands were surprisingly empty.  ...

Wow -- that wasn't my impression at all. I heard wall-to-wall CW
signals on 20 and 40 meters most of the time, and a good number on 15
and 80 meters. Having done FD for some 10 years in a row now, I'd say
that CW activity is about the same as ever.

When using QRP on Field Day, you need a lot of patience and the best
possible antenna. What I usually do is put up at least two antennas
(typically, orthogonal long wires that favor N-S and E-W). You can
connect both to the KAT2 or KAT100 at the same time, since both ATUs
have dual antenna jacks. You can then quickly test both antennas, even
on a per-signal basis, using the front panel ANT1/2 switch.

>  QSK...

Where did you have T-R set in the menu? At T-R = 0.00, the receiver is
unmuted very fast, which can cause a small receive artifact with
certain narrow crystal filter and DSP settings. But we recommend using
T-R = 0.01 or higher anyway. For casual operation, use T-R = 0.02 to
0.05.

The time required to cleanly switch the VCO between RX and TX is around
10-15 ms. We put a high value on completely clickless and chirpless CW
keying, and adjusted firmware delays accordingly. Still, wiith TR =
0.01, you should be able to hear between characters (not words) even at
50 WPM. If not, you may have an assembly or component problem
somewhere.

It's likely that we could improve VCO lock time and obtain between-dits
receive at such speeds. This is one item on my list of possible future
mods for the K2.

> Power meter...

It's a good idea to adjust POWER when not keying. During transmit, a
small additional amount of hysteresis is added to the POWER control to
improve noise margin, and this can increase the power-control step
size.

You can also usually adjust one resistor value in the BFO attenuator to
improve power-setting accuracy. Some JFETs (Q24) have much higher
transconductance than average, leading to coarser steps from the 8-bit
DAC. To compensate, try increasing the value of R98 from 270 to as high
as 470-820 ohms. (This experiment is best done with a small trim pot
installed; replace the pot with a fixed resistor close to the final pot
value.) If you adjust R98's value, make sure that the rig can still
reach at least 10 watts on all bands with POWER set to 10.0.

> CW messages...

In order to store the maximum possible characters in the K2's CW
message memories, the firmware "quantizes" your sending into
standard-length dots, dashes, and spaces. This is not as forgiving as
using a "times-8 clock" for recording, which is characteristic of some
keyers. But such keyers have a much larger EEPROM than the K2 does, or
they don't provide as many characters of storage. It's conceivable that
we could go to a larger part in the future and use a times-8 or even
times-16 sample clock. (Another item on my future mods list....)

73,
Wayne,
N6KR

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Re: Re: FD W4ZV 1B QRP Single Op

N2EY
In reply to this post by Bill W4ZV
In a message dated 6/29/04 6:42:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Having listened to our mostly CW
> bands at our QRP FD and looking at the early scores on 3830, comparing them
> to previous years, I notice almost no decline.
>

Same here.

One word: Sunspots. Particularly in a contest like FD, where each band is a
whole new world, apparent activity goes up and down with solar activity. In a
contest like SS, where you work 'em once and never again, solar variation has
different effects.

73 de Jim, N2EY
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