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Anndel

FW: 4W6A Video, count the K3's !

I beg to differ unless I'm mistaken but DXCC doesn't require signal report
exchanges. All that's required are the frequency, date and time in UTC,
callsign and mode. These are the required parameters that needs to be
uploaded in ARRL's Logbook of the World for DXCC credits/awards.

73 Delwyn KH6DC

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Dale Putnam
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 5:37 PM
To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 4W6A Video, count the K3's !

Because without an rst, however it is derived, the qsl isn't valid for dxcc.

--... ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy
> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 20:19:22 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 4W6A Video, count the K3's !
>
> Of course I thought it through Dave. In the video you'll hear the DX
> operation say, "I gave him an 599 but he was an S1".
>
> My point was "why bother with a signal report at all if the station
doesn't

> ask for it".
>
> Ron AC7AC
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> Have you guys actually thought this through??
>
> In most cases, the DX is trying to work as many people as possible as
> fast as they can. Giving you an "accurate" signal report requires them
> to decide how strong you are (takes a small amount of time) as well as
> manually type into the logger a different number than the default (takes
> a lot of time, relatively speaking, to tab and type). Everyone else in
> the pileup is going to be glad you didn't get your "accurate" report.
>
> As for that "accurate" report, in most cases you aren't going to have a
> clue what kind of antenna the DX is using or even what direction it may
> be pointing at the moment, so signal strength is utterly meaningless.
> The DX isn't "lying" about anything. You are simply deluding yourself
> if you think their report means anything other than that you were
> strong/readable enough to get through the pileup, which you should have
> recognized by that point anyway. If you want a number different than
> 599, make up your own and log it ... it will easily have every bit as as
> much relevance under those conditions.
>
> Dave AB7E
>
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daleputnam

Re: FW: 4W6A Video, count the K3's !

And if all that is required is that, exactly what is the "exchange" ... I can gather that information with a rx. No Tx.. NO QSO! Maybe we have slid down the slippery slope so far that an exhange isn't required any longer... in that case I claim both current dexpedtions,because I have logged hearing them. Doesn't matter if they heard me or not. right?

--... ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy
> From: [hidden email]

> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 18:04:54 -1000
> Subject: [Elecraft] FW: 4W6A Video, count the K3's !
>
> I beg to differ unless I'm mistaken but DXCC doesn't require signal report
> exchanges. All that's required are the frequency, date and time in UTC,
> callsign and mode. These are the required parameters that needs to be
> uploaded in ARRL's Logbook of the World for DXCC credits/awards.
>
> 73 Delwyn KH6DC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Dale Putnam
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 5:37 PM
> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 4W6A Video, count the K3's !
>
>
> Because without an rst, however it is derived, the qsl isn't valid for dxcc.
>
> --... ...--
> Dale - WC7S in Wy
> > From: [hidden email]
> > To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> > Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 20:19:22 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 4W6A Video, count the K3's !
> >
> > Of course I thought it through Dave. In the video you'll hear the DX
> > operation say, "I gave him an 599 but he was an S1".
> >
> > My point was "why bother with a signal report at all if the station
> doesn't
> > ask for it".
> >
> > Ron AC7AC
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > Have you guys actually thought this through??
> >
> > In most cases, the DX is trying to work as many people as possible as
> > fast as they can. Giving you an "accurate" signal report requires them
> > to decide how strong you are (takes a small amount of time) as well as
> > manually type into the logger a different number than the default (takes
> > a lot of time, relatively speaking, to tab and type). Everyone else in
> > the pileup is going to be glad you didn't get your "accurate" report.
> >
> > As for that "accurate" report, in most cases you aren't going to have a
> > clue what kind of antenna the DX is using or even what direction it may
> > be pointing at the moment, so signal strength is utterly meaningless.
> > The DX isn't "lying" about anything. You are simply deluding yourself
> > if you think their report means anything other than that you were
> > strong/readable enough to get through the pileup, which you should have
> > recognized by that point anyway. If you want a number different than
> > 599, make up your own and log it ... it will easily have every bit as as
> > much relevance under those conditions.
> >
> > Dave AB7E
> >
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N2TK

Re: FW: 4W6A Video, count the K3's !

As long as you don't care or want a confirmation you can pretty much claim
whatever you want. If you logged hearing them, then you can say you are a
SWL. Maybe that is sufficient for you?
Some of us do want a confirmation so we want to make sure we have a good QSO
and are in their log, regardless of what the signal exchange is. The
important part of the exchange is the call sign. That is what makes it
unique, not a signal report or a name.

When contesting there are some assumed practices that are accepted to keep
up the "rate" and still have an "exchange" besides the call sign;
- "5nn" instead of "599" on CW
- In ARRL SSB Test use "59K" instead of "59 kilowatt" for power level for
DX stations.

There are many other accepted practices that all boil down to being in the
"log" with an accepted call and other exchanged info, if required. And you
do need a transmitter to do this. :-)

73,
N2TK, Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Dale Putnam
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 9:24 AM
To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: 4W6A Video, count the K3's !

And if all that is required is that, exactly what is the "exchange" ... I
can gather that information with a rx. No Tx.. NO QSO! Maybe we have slid
down the slippery slope so far that an exhange isn't required any longer...
in that case I claim both current dexpedtions,because I have logged hearing
them. Doesn't matter if they heard me or not. right?

--... ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy
> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 18:04:54 -1000
> Subject: [Elecraft] FW: 4W6A Video, count the K3's !
>
> I beg to differ unless I'm mistaken but DXCC doesn't require signal
> report exchanges. All that's required are the frequency, date and
> time in UTC, callsign and mode. These are the required parameters
> that needs to be uploaded in ARRL's Logbook of the World for DXCC
credits/awards.

>
> 73 Delwyn KH6DC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Dale Putnam
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 5:37 PM
> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 4W6A Video, count the K3's !
>
>
> Because without an rst, however it is derived, the qsl isn't valid for

dxcc.

>
> --... ...--
> Dale - WC7S in Wy
> > From: [hidden email]
> > To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> > Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 20:19:22 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 4W6A Video, count the K3's !
> >
> > Of course I thought it through Dave. In the video you'll hear the DX
> > operation say, "I gave him an 599 but he was an S1".
> >
> > My point was "why bother with a signal report at all if the station
> doesn't
> > ask for it".
> >
> > Ron AC7AC
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > Have you guys actually thought this through??
> >
> > In most cases, the DX is trying to work as many people as possible
> > as fast as they can. Giving you an "accurate" signal report
> > requires them to decide how strong you are (takes a small amount of
> > time) as well as manually type into the logger a different number
> > than the default (takes a lot of time, relatively speaking, to tab
> > and type). Everyone else in the pileup is going to be glad you didn't

get your "accurate" report.
> >
> > As for that "accurate" report, in most cases you aren't going to
> > have a clue what kind of antenna the DX is using or even what
> > direction it may be pointing at the moment, so signal strength is
utterly meaningless.

> > The DX isn't "lying" about anything. You are simply deluding
> > yourself if you think their report means anything other than that
> > you were strong/readable enough to get through the pileup, which you
> > should have recognized by that point anyway. If you want a number
> > different than 599, make up your own and log it ... it will easily
> > have every bit as as much relevance under those conditions.
> >
> > Dave AB7E
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
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