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Peter Pauly

Feature request: OFS Knob as frequency fast up/dn

One of the few things I miss from my Kenwood TS-590S is the Multi/CH knob
that lets you change the VFO frequency up or down 5 KHz for each encoder
transition. I used this all the time to go quickly to a frequency within a
band. It was even usually faster than the manual keypad entry.

I propose that through a firmware change, the OFS (RIT/XIT) knob be used
for such a purpose when it it not being used for RIT/XIT (LEDs are off). It
seems to do nothing at the moment when RIT/XIT is not active.

What do you guys think?
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Ian

Re: Feature request: OFS Knob as frequency fast up/dn

The K3/K3S already does this! Set Config:VFO OFS to ON. Adjust rate with
Config:VFO CRS.
73, Ian N8IK

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Subject: [Elecraft] Feature request: OFS Knob as frequency fast up/dn

One of the few things I miss from my Kenwood TS-590S is the Multi/CH knob
that lets you change the VFO frequency up or down 5 KHz for each encoder
transition. I used this all the time to go quickly to a frequency within a
band. It was even usually faster than the manual keypad entry.

I propose that through a firmware change, the OFS (RIT/XIT) knob be used for
such a purpose when it it not being used for RIT/XIT (LEDs are off). It
seems to do nothing at the moment when RIT/XIT is not active.

What do you guys think?
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: Feature request: OFS Knob as frequency fast up/dn

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Peter,

I assume you are talking about the KX3.
It is already there - look at the VFO CRS description on the manual (see
page 40). Note that this is a per mode setting. No firmware change is
necessary.

The K3 (and K3S) has something similar but uses the RIT knob if CONFIG:
VFO OFS is set to ON and both RIT and XIT are OFF.

I use that regularly on both my K3 and KX3.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/16/2015 8:13 PM, Peter Pauly wrote:
> One of the few things I miss from my Kenwood TS-590S is the Multi/CH knob
> that lets you change the VFO frequency up or down 5 KHz for each encoder
> transition. I used this all the time to go quickly to a frequency within a
> band. It was even usually faster than the manual keypad entry.
>
>

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Peter Pauly

Re: Feature request: OFS Knob as frequency fast up/dn

No, the K3S. Amazing that it was already thought of and part of the radio.
Color me impressed!

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 8:28 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Peter,
>
> I assume you are talking about the KX3.
> It is already there - look at the VFO CRS description on the manual (see
> page 40). Note that this is a per mode setting. No firmware change is
> necessary.
>
> The K3 (and K3S) has something similar but uses the RIT knob if CONFIG:
> VFO OFS is set to ON and both RIT and XIT are OFF.
>
> I use that regularly on both my K3 and KX3.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>
> On 11/16/2015 8:13 PM, Peter Pauly wrote:
>
>> One of the few things I miss from my Kenwood TS-590S is the Multi/CH knob
>> that lets you change the VFO frequency up or down 5 KHz for each encoder
>> transition. I used this all the time to go quickly to a frequency within a
>> band. It was even usually faster than the manual keypad entry.
>>
>>
>>
>

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Peter Pauly

Re: Feature request: OFS Knob as frequency fast up/dn

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The Rounding YES/NO doesn't seem to have any effect. What should I be
seeing? 2.5Khz is the highest value I can set.

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 8:28 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:

Don Wilhelm-4

Re: Feature request: OFS Knob as frequency fast up/dn

Peter,

Yes, 2.5kHz is the upper limit, but for SSB I use 0.5 kHz because SSB
stations are usually on 1 kHz boundaries although 0.5 boundaries are
possible. For CW I use 0.1 kHz. 2.5kHz is typical for FM stations, but
too wide for SSB or CW. To me, it is just a quick way of scanning
through the band. If your expectations are more than that, then submit
your request for an additional firmware upgrade.

If the coarse tuning does not land you on a 'netted' frequency, a slight
adjustment of the VFO A knob will bring in the occasional 'off
frequency' station.
I regard it as a way of scanning the band with the knobs and do not mind
fine tuning any station of interest with the VFO A knob. YMMV. I prefer
that to using computer control of the frequency although I am of the
'old school', and old habits die hard.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/16/2015 8:36 PM, Peter Pauly wrote:

> The Rounding YES/NO doesn't seem to have any effect. What should I be
> seeing? 2.5Khz is the highest value I can set.
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 8:28 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
> Peter,
>
> I assume you are talking about the KX3.
> It is already there - look at the VFO CRS description on the
> manual (see page 40). Note that this is a per mode setting. No
> firmware change is necessary.
>
> The K3 (and K3S) has something similar but uses the RIT knob if
> CONFIG: VFO OFS is set to ON and both RIT and XIT are OFF.
>
> I use that regularly on both my K3 and KX3.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>
> On 11/16/2015 8:13 PM, Peter Pauly wrote:
>
> One of the few things I miss from my Kenwood TS-590S is the
> Multi/CH knob
> that lets you change the VFO frequency up or down 5 KHz for
> each encoder
> transition. I used this all the time to go quickly to a
> frequency within a
> band. It was even usually faster than the manual keypad entry.
>
>
>
>

Wes (N7WS)

Re: Feature request: OFS Knob as frequency fast up/dn

Like Peter I was accustomed to this feature in my Kenwood TS-870. The Elecraft
implementation is OK, but I prefer the 5 KHz steps. To me this is a course,
"get to the other end of the band segment in a hurry" control. Two and one-half
KHz just seems weird to me, as does the different rate for different modes.

On 11/16/2015 6:52 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> Peter,
>
> Yes, 2.5kHz is the upper limit, but for SSB I use 0.5 kHz because SSB stations
> are usually on 1 kHz boundaries although 0.5 boundaries are possible. For CW
> I use 0.1 kHz. 2.5kHz is typical for FM stations, but too wide for SSB or
> CW. To me, it is just a quick way of scanning through the band. If your
> expectations are more than that, then submit your request for an additional
> firmware upgrade.
>
> If the coarse tuning does not land you on a 'netted' frequency, a slight
> adjustment of the VFO A knob will bring in the occasional 'off frequency'
> station.
> I regard it as a way of scanning the band with the knobs and do not mind fine
> tuning any station of interest with the VFO A knob. YMMV. I prefer that to
> using computer control of the frequency although I am of the 'old school', and
> old habits die hard.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 11/16/2015 8:36 PM, Peter Pauly wrote:
>> The Rounding YES/NO doesn't seem to have any effect. What should I be
>> seeing? 2.5Khz is the highest value I can set.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 8:28 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]
>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>> I assume you are talking about the KX3.
>> It is already there - look at the VFO CRS description on the
>> manual (see page 40). Note that this is a per mode setting. No
>> firmware change is necessary.
>>
>> The K3 (and K3S) has something similar but uses the RIT knob if
>> CONFIG: VFO OFS is set to ON and both RIT and XIT are OFF.
>>
>> I use that regularly on both my K3 and KX3.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>>
>> On 11/16/2015 8:13 PM, Peter Pauly wrote:
>>
>> One of the few things I miss from my Kenwood TS-590S is the
>> Multi/CH knob
>> that lets you change the VFO frequency up or down 5 KHz for
>> each encoder
>> transition. I used this all the time to go quickly to a
>> frequency within a
>> band. It was even usually faster than the manual keypad entry.
>>

Bill Frantz

Re: Feature request: OFS Knob as frequency fast up/dn

I use it more like Don does, as a somewhat channelized tuning
knob. When I want to go fast, I sometimes change modes to get a
faster skew.

What I would like in this are is to have the K3 adopt the KX3's
behavior of zeroing the low order digits of the frequency.
Enough radios make it easy to transmit on these frequencies that
it is useful to easily tune them.

I would not object to being able to select coarser steps,
although I probably wouldn't use them myself.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 11/17/15 at 4:56 AM, [hidden email] (Wes (N7WS)) wrote:

>Like Peter I was accustomed to this feature in my Kenwood
>TS-870. The Elecraft implementation is OK, but I prefer the 5
>KHz steps. To me this is a course, "get to the other end of
>the band segment in a hurry" control. Two and one-half KHz just
>seems weird to me, as does the different rate for different modes.
>
>
>On 11/16/2015 6:52 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>Peter,
>>
>>Yes, 2.5kHz is the upper limit, but for SSB I use 0.5 kHz
>>because SSB stations are usually on 1 kHz boundaries although
>>0.5 boundaries are possible. For CW I use 0.1 kHz. 2.5kHz is
>>typical for FM stations, but too wide for SSB or CW. To me,
>>it is just a quick way of scanning through the band. If your
>>expectations are more than that, then submit your request for
>>an additional firmware upgrade.

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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: Feature request: OFS Knob as frequency fast up/dn

Bill,

That too "is already there".
Whether or not the frequency is "rounded" depends on the setting in the
VFO CRS menu item. Tap [1] to toggle between rounding and no rounding.
VFO CRS determines the per mode frequency steps used when you have set
VFO OFS to ON.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/17/2015 4:46 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:

> I use it more like Don does, as a somewhat channelized tuning knob.
> When I want to go fast, I sometimes change modes to get a faster skew.
>
> What I would like in this are is to have the K3 adopt the KX3's
> behavior of zeroing the low order digits of the frequency. Enough
> radios make it easy to transmit on these frequencies that it is useful
> to easily tune them.
>
> I would not object to being able to select coarser steps, although I
> probably wouldn't use them myself.
>

Bill Frantz

Re: Feature request: OFS Knob as frequency fast up/dn

Hehe and I though I knew the radio fairly well too. I need to
bone up on the "press a number key" options in the config menues.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 11/17/15 at 3:26 PM, [hidden email] (Don Wilhelm) wrote:

>That too "is already there".
>Whether or not the frequency is "rounded" depends on the
>setting in the VFO CRS menu item. Tap [1] to toggle between
>rounding and no rounding.
>VFO CRS determines the per mode frequency steps used when you have set VFO OFS to ON.

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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: Feature request: OFS Knob as frequency fast up/dn

Bill and all,

I "cheat" - I do have a good memory for things like that, but I don't
necessarily remember all the details.
I download the latest manual and scan the Firmware Release Notes before
answering a question like that.
In this case, I did look only at the latest manual menu listings and
there it was.
I have had my K3 doing rounding for some time now, but I forgot just how
it was done - the menu listing told me how to do it.

I would encourage everyone to study the menu listing rather than just
the text of the operating manual. The menu items will tell you what can
be changed to make your K3 truly "yours".

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/17/2015 8:04 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:

> Hehe and I though I knew the radio fairly well too. I need to bone up
> on the "press a number key" options in the config menues.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
> On 11/17/15 at 3:26 PM, [hidden email] (Don Wilhelm) wrote:
>
>> That too "is already there".
>> Whether or not the frequency is "rounded" depends on the setting in
>> the VFO CRS menu item. Tap [1] to toggle between rounding and no
>> rounding.

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