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N5GE

Re: K3: "Qick Split"

On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:49:10 -0000, you wrote:

>Doesn't "Quick Split" assume the DX is -always- located a
>fixed number of kHz away from "his" TX'ing frequency? This
>is simply not the case, if this is what's is being lobbied for.
>
>If the DX is actually an exact "5 kHz" up, there will still be a
>need to change of one's TX frequency involved on almost every
>transmission ... or should be ... if one is an astute DX'er. Do
>people actually simply go "up five" and blindly call? Really?
>
>K5D is an example ... they are spending hours listening DOWN.
>I've worked them this way on four bands so far. I did this when
>operating from there ... and other DX locations ... BTW.
>
>My most-used control in working SPLIT is the A/B button. A
>quick poke of A/B and a tune of the A VFO to put it on the "last
>worked" station in the pileup and another poke of the A/B button
>to put the that frequency in the B VFO. How could this be simpler?
>
>I'm an old poop. Maybe I'm missing something ....
>
>73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
> [hidden email]

The Kenwood TS-950 series rigs have this. When I first read the
manual it sounded great, but in use it was not very benificial, for
the very reason you described.

Besides if you are an old poop like me and Ken who has learned to
determine the RX tuning routine of the DX station before you call, you
will be moving the Sub RX up and down continuously as you chase **HIS
RX FREQ** up and down in frequency. Old Ham Geezers learn to do this
after a few years of practice or reading the Complete DX'r by W9KNI,
but I hope the rest of you don't use the procedure, so Ken and I can
get 'em and scoot away quickly ;o)

73,

Tom, N5GE

http://www.n5ge.com
http://www.swotrc.net

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w7go

Re: K3: "Qick Split"

Right on the mark Tom!

73,

Tony W7GO

Tom, N5GE wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:49:10 -0000, you wrote:
>
>
>> Doesn't "Quick Split" assume the DX is -always- located a
>> fixed number of kHz away from "his" TX'ing frequency? This
>> is simply not the case, if this is what's is being lobbied for.
>>
>> If the DX is actually an exact "5 kHz" up, there will still be a
>> need to change of one's TX frequency involved on almost every
>> transmission ... or should be ... if one is an astute DX'er. Do
>> people actually simply go "up five" and blindly call? Really?
>>
>> K5D is an example ... they are spending hours listening DOWN.
>> I've worked them this way on four bands so far. I did this when
>> operating from there ... and other DX locations ... BTW.
>>
>> My most-used control in working SPLIT is the A/B button. A
>> quick poke of A/B and a tune of the A VFO to put it on the "last
>> worked" station in the pileup and another poke of the A/B button
>> to put the that frequency in the B VFO. How could this be simpler?
>>
>> I'm an old poop. Maybe I'm missing something ....
>>
>> 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
>> [hidden email]
>>
>
> The Kenwood TS-950 series rigs have this. When I first read the
> manual it sounded great, but in use it was not very benificial, for
> the very reason you described.
>
> Besides if you are an old poop like me and Ken who has learned to
> determine the RX tuning routine of the DX station before you call, you
> will be moving the Sub RX up and down continuously as you chase **HIS
> RX FREQ** up and down in frequency. Old Ham Geezers learn to do this
> after a few years of practice or reading the Complete DX'r by W9KNI,
> but I hope the rest of you don't use the procedure, so Ken and I can
> get 'em and scoot away quickly ;o)
>
> 73,
>
> Tom, N5GE
>
> http://www.n5ge.com
> http://www.swotrc.net
>
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: K3: "Qick Split"

In reply to this post by N5GE

> Old Ham Geezers learn to do this after a few
> years of practice or reading the Complete DX'r by W9KNI, but
> I hope the rest of you don't use the procedure, so Ken and I
> can get 'em and scoot away quickly ;o)

Shucks, boy ... now you done gone and gib away da secret <G>.

Thet be the diff'nce 'tween real DXers and da 'tenders who
be callin' where da DX wuz 5 minutes ago 'cause someone
posted his QRG on thet newfangled cluster box.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Tom, N5GE
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:45 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: "Qick Split"
>
>
> On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:49:10 -0000, you wrote:
>
> >Doesn't "Quick Split" assume the DX is -always- located a
> >fixed number of kHz away from "his" TX'ing frequency? This
> >is simply not the case, if this is what's is being lobbied for.
> >
> >If the DX is actually an exact "5 kHz" up, there will still be a
> >need to change of one's TX frequency involved on almost every
> >transmission ... or should be ... if one is an astute DX'er. Do
> >people actually simply go "up five" and blindly call? Really?
> >
> >K5D is an example ... they are spending hours listening DOWN. I've
> >worked them this way on four bands so far. I did this when
> operating
> >from there ... and other DX locations ... BTW.
> >
> >My most-used control in working SPLIT is the A/B button. A
> quick poke
> >of A/B and a tune of the A VFO to put it on the "last
> worked" station
> >in the pileup and another poke of the A/B button to put the that
> >frequency in the B VFO. How could this be simpler?
> >
> >I'm an old poop. Maybe I'm missing something ....
> >
> >73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
> > [hidden email]
>
> The Kenwood TS-950 series rigs have this. When I first read
> the manual it sounded great, but in use it was not very
> benificial, for the very reason you described.
>
> Besides if you are an old poop like me and Ken who has
> learned to determine the RX tuning routine of the DX station
> before you call, you will be moving the Sub RX up and down
> continuously as you chase **HIS RX FREQ** up and down in
> frequency. Old Ham Geezers learn to do this after a few
> years of practice or reading the Complete DX'r by W9KNI, but
> I hope the rest of you don't use the procedure, so Ken and I
> can get 'em and scoot away quickly ;o)
>
> 73,
>
> Tom, N5GE
>
> http://www.n5ge.com
> http://www.swotrc.net
>

w0mu

Re: K3: "Qick Split"

LMAO.

Maybe that is why the pileups never seemed to big to me. I was only
listening where they were. Pretty funny to listen to people call endlessly
20 kc's up the band and the folks that don't have two vfo's trying to work
spleeet.

"A slip of the foot you may soon recover, but a slip of the tongue you may
never get over." Ben Franklin
-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 10:57 PM
To: 'Tom, N5GE'; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: "Qick Split"

> Old Ham Geezers learn to do this after a few years of practice or
> reading the Complete DX'r by W9KNI, but I hope the rest of you don't
> use the procedure, so Ken and I can get 'em and scoot away quickly ;o)

Shucks, boy ... now you done gone and gib away da secret <G>.

Thet be the diff'nce 'tween real DXers and da 'tenders who be callin' where
da DX wuz 5 minutes ago 'cause someone posted his QRG on thet newfangled
cluster box.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Tom, N5GE
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:45 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: "Qick Split"
>
>
> On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:49:10 -0000, you wrote:
>
> >Doesn't "Quick Split" assume the DX is -always- located a fixed
> >number of kHz away from "his" TX'ing frequency? This is simply not
> >the case, if this is what's is being lobbied for.
> >
> >If the DX is actually an exact "5 kHz" up, there will still be a need
> >to change of one's TX frequency involved on almost every transmission
> >... or should be ... if one is an astute DX'er. Do people actually
> >simply go "up five" and blindly call? Really?
> >
> >K5D is an example ... they are spending hours listening DOWN. I've
> >worked them this way on four bands so far. I did this when
> operating
> >from there ... and other DX locations ... BTW.
> >
> >My most-used control in working SPLIT is the A/B button. A
> quick poke
> >of A/B and a tune of the A VFO to put it on the "last
> worked" station
> >in the pileup and another poke of the A/B button to put the that
> >frequency in the B VFO. How could this be simpler?
> >
> >I'm an old poop. Maybe I'm missing something ....
> >
> >73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
> > [hidden email]
>
> The Kenwood TS-950 series rigs have this. When I first read the
> manual it sounded great, but in use it was not very benificial, for
> the very reason you described.
>
> Besides if you are an old poop like me and Ken who has learned to
> determine the RX tuning routine of the DX station before you call, you
> will be moving the Sub RX up and down continuously as you chase **HIS
> RX FREQ** up and down in frequency. Old Ham Geezers learn to do this
> after a few years of practice or reading the Complete DX'r by W9KNI,
> but I hope the rest of you don't use the procedure, so Ken and I can
> get 'em and scoot away quickly ;o)
>
> 73,
>
> Tom, N5GE
>
> http://www.n5ge.com
> http://www.swotrc.net
>

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Bill W4ZV

Re: K3: "Qick Split"

In reply to this post by Ken Kopp-3

Ken Kopp-3 wrote

My most-used control in working SPLIT is the A/B button. A
quick poke of A/B and a tune of the A VFO to put it on the "last
worked" station in the pileup and another poke of the A/B button
to put the that frequency in the B VFO. How could this be simpler?

It's simpler to use REV which is momentary so you don't TX on the DX station when you invariably forget to poke A/B again. After awhile you can learn to tune the pileup with your left pinky while also depressing REV with your left index finger. Kenwood introduced this concept with "TF-SET" in the TS-930S in the early 1980s and Icom copied it with "XFC".

I also question the usefulness of Quick Split. You need to learn to tune your TX to anticipate where DX is actually listening rather than where he says he **says** he's listening. They are often not the same!

http://lists.contesting.com/archives//html/Topband/2002-03/msg00011.html

73, Bill

w0mu

Re: K3: "Qick Split"

Now that I found the Diplay button, split is much easier.

However it was nice to hit quick split and have the B VFO automatically = A
VFO and have it jump up 5 or 10 KC. At that point I always tune for the
last guy worked. The 5 or 10 KC split is just convenient.

It is by no means a show stopper either way.

"A slip of the foot you may soon recover, but a slip of the tongue you may
never get over." Ben Franklin
-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bill W4ZV
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:21 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: "Qick Split"

Ken Kopp-3 wrote:
>
> My most-used control in working SPLIT is the A/B button. A quick poke
> of A/B and a tune of the A VFO to put it on the "last worked" station
> in the pileup and another poke of the A/B button to put the that
> frequency in the B VFO. How could this be simpler?
>

It's simpler to use REV which is momentary so you don't TX on the DX station
when you invariably forget to poke A/B again. After awhile you can learn to
tune the pileup with your left pinky while also depressing REV with your
left index finger. Kenwood introduced this concept with "TF-SET" in the
TS-930S in the early 1980s and Icom copied it with "XFC".

I also question the usefulness of Quick Split. You need to learn to tune
your TX to anticipate where DX is actually listening rather than where he
says he **says** he's listening. They are often not the same!

http://lists.contesting.com/archives//html/Topband/2002-03/msg00011.html

73, Bill

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Vic K2VCO

Re: K3: "Qick Split"

In reply to this post by Bill W4ZV

Bill W4ZV wrote:

> I also question the usefulness of Quick Split. You need to learn to tune
> your TX to anticipate where DX is actually listening rather than where he
> says he **says** he's listening. They are often not the same!

The most important part of quick split is not the offset. I would be happy with an offset
of zero, or an offset of "don't change VFO B".

What I want is one button that will (at least) activate SPLIT and SUB. This will prevent
me from carefully finding the station the DX is working with the subreceiver and then
calling him -- without activating SPLIT.

Believe me, this is easy to do and very embarrassing.

If I could have everything I want, it would do three things:

A->B
SUB
SPLIT

I would want this to be implemented as a programmable function key rather than an optional
behavior for SPLIT, because there are times when I want SPLIT to be just SPLIT. One way to
do it would be a menu entry that would let you choose an offset which could be zero or 'no
change' and then assign it to a function key.
--
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco
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Andy Faber

Re: K3: "Qick Split"

I can't recall which one, but I had a radio that worked exactly this way.
My suggestion would be not to change existing button usage at all, but do as
Vic suggests, and allow a programmable button to be set to a "quick split,"
that would equalize frequency (or maybe put in a variable offset), turn on
SUB and go into SPLIT mode. Then it could be used or ignored at will.
73, andy, ae6y
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vic K2VCO" <[hidden email]>
To: "Bill W4ZV" <[hidden email]>
Cc: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: "Qick Split"

> Bill W4ZV wrote:
>
>> I also question the usefulness of Quick Split. You need to learn to tune
>> your TX to anticipate where DX is actually listening rather than where he
>> says he **says** he's listening. They are often not the same!
>
> The most important part of quick split is not the offset. I would be happy
> with an offset
> of zero, or an offset of "don't change VFO B".
>
> What I want is one button that will (at least) activate SPLIT and SUB.
> This will prevent
> me from carefully finding the station the DX is working with the
> subreceiver and then
> calling him -- without activating SPLIT.
>
> Believe me, this is easy to do and very embarrassing.
>
> If I could have everything I want, it would do three things:
>
> A->B
> SUB
> SPLIT
>
> I would want this to be implemented as a programmable function key rather
> than an optional
> behavior for SPLIT, because there are times when I want SPLIT to be just
> SPLIT. One way to
> do it would be a menu entry that would let you choose an offset which
> could be zero or 'no
> change' and then assign it to a function key.
> --
> 73,
> Vic, K2VCO
> Fresno CA
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco
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Brett Howard

Re: K3: "Qick Split"

I believe a LONG time ago before I even had a radio I made a suggestion
of a quick split that Wayne mentioned he was contemplating adding to the
radio. I don't really remember how I'd structured it but I was hoping
for a way where I could simply assume that the MHZ portion would remain
the same and I could just enter the last 3 digits and not even have to
hit enter.

So when you hear this is JA7XYZ listening this frequency and 234 you
simply hit split 234 and boom you're ready to start talking. For CW
split I find its always smarter to lurk around and find the right spot
to plop your bait. But I'm usually so slow at copying that its tough
for me... hihi Thats why I'm often more of a rag chew guy when it comes
to CW. But my hardcore CW buddies sure love playing with the K3 when
they come over.

~Brett (KC7OTG)

On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 11:25 -0800, Andrew Faber wrote:

> I can't recall which one, but I had a radio that worked exactly this way.
> My suggestion would be not to change existing button usage at all, but do as
> Vic suggests, and allow a programmable button to be set to a "quick split,"
> that would equalize frequency (or maybe put in a variable offset), turn on
> SUB and go into SPLIT mode. Then it could be used or ignored at will.
> 73, andy, ae6y
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vic K2VCO" <[hidden email]>
> To: "Bill W4ZV" <[hidden email]>
> Cc: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: "Qick Split"
>
>
> > Bill W4ZV wrote:
> >
> >> I also question the usefulness of Quick Split. You need to learn to tune
> >> your TX to anticipate where DX is actually listening rather than where he
> >> says he **says** he's listening. They are often not the same!
> >
> > The most important part of quick split is not the offset. I would be happy
> > with an offset
> > of zero, or an offset of "don't change VFO B".
> >
> > What I want is one button that will (at least) activate SPLIT and SUB.
> > This will prevent
> > me from carefully finding the station the DX is working with the
> > subreceiver and then
> > calling him -- without activating SPLIT.
> >
> > Believe me, this is easy to do and very embarrassing.
> >
> > If I could have everything I want, it would do three things:
> >
> > A->B
> > SUB
> > SPLIT
> >
> > I would want this to be implemented as a programmable function key rather
> > than an optional
> > behavior for SPLIT, because there are times when I want SPLIT to be just
> > SPLIT. One way to
> > do it would be a menu entry that would let you choose an offset which
> > could be zero or 'no
> > change' and then assign it to a function key.
> > --
> > 73,
> > Vic, K2VCO
> > Fresno CA
> > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco
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