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Re: Field Day at Home

Chris Kantarjiev K6DBG
>
> I wonder if we send photos of ourselves operating our Elecrafts to Elecraft
> perhaps they could find the time to update their photos web page to include
> pics of Elecrafts rigs operating Field Day 2006?

I hope so - and I hope people with photos will post them on the ARRL
soapbox, too! Let's show off our Elecraft rigs...

http://www.arrl.org/contests/soapbox/?con_id=106

73 de chris K6DBG
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Re: Slow Code Watering Holes?

Chris Kantarjiev K6DBG
In reply to this post by Stephen W. Kercel
I've had a fair bit of luck with the slow speed weekend nets
that 3905 Century Club puts on - 40m and 80m. See

http://www.3905ccn.com/netsched.htm

I have to admit that I haven't had a lot of luck with the
FISTS calling frequencies or nets. That seems to come and
go - I'll get the occasional run of QSOs from calling CW
at 10-13 WPM as I do, but I have more luck on the 30m
QRP calling frequencies than anywhere else.

73 de chris K6DBG
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Re: Slow Code Watering Holes?

WL7M-2
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Steve,

Another fellow mentioned the Slow Key Century Club, SKCC.  You can find their
listening frequencies at their website http://www.skccgroup.com.  They also
have a Yahoo Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/skcc/ .

SKCC is a group of hams who have fun using "manual" keying, i.e., stright keys,
cootie keys (sideswipers) and bugs.  In addition to the FISTS and Novice
frequenices, it's a great way to find some slow speed QSOs...

73,
John - WL7M
SKCC #2156

Quoting "Stephen W. Kercel" <[hidden email]>:

> Fellow Elecrafters:
>
> At the KS1R Field Day operation we had a bunch of 5 wpm operators who
> wanted to try their hand at CW on our GOTA station. They were very
> disappointed because they could not find any slow stations, and the
> 20+ wpm CW that most Field Day operators were running simply
> overwhelmed them. Nevertheless, they are interested in improving
> their overall on the air proficiency in CW.
>
> Are there particular frequencies where slow code operators who want
> to talk to other slow code operators hang out?
>
> 73,
>
> Steve
> AA4AK
>
>
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Re: Slow Code Watering Holes?

Brian Murrey-2
I thought SKCC was Straight Key Century Club....

SKCC 2076

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Slow Code Watering Holes?


> Steve,
>
> Another fellow mentioned the Slow Key Century Club, SKCC.  You can find
their
> listening frequencies at their website http://www.skccgroup.com.  They also
> have a Yahoo Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/skcc/ .
>
> SKCC is a group of hams who have fun using "manual" keying, i.e., stright
keys,

> cootie keys (sideswipers) and bugs.  In addition to the FISTS and Novice
> frequenices, it's a great way to find some slow speed QSOs...
>
> 73,
> John - WL7M
> SKCC #2156
>
> Quoting "Stephen W. Kercel" <[hidden email]>:
>
> > Fellow Elecrafters:
> >
> > At the KS1R Field Day operation we had a bunch of 5 wpm operators who
> > wanted to try their hand at CW on our GOTA station. They were very
> > disappointed because they could not find any slow stations, and the
> > 20+ wpm CW that most Field Day operators were running simply
> > overwhelmed them. Nevertheless, they are interested in improving
> > their overall on the air proficiency in CW.
> >
> > Are there particular frequencies where slow code operators who want
> > to talk to other slow code operators hang out?
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Steve
> > AA4AK
> >
> >
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Re: Slow Code Watering Holes?

WL7M-2
You're right.  It is Straight, not Slow.  It's my brain that's slow ;-).

73, John

Quoting Brian Murrey <[hidden email]>:

> I thought SKCC was Straight Key Century Club....
>
> SKCC 2076
>
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Re: QRE: Slow Code Watering Holes?

Kevin Rock
In reply to this post by Ron D'Eau Claire-2
Hear, hear Mr. D'Eau Claire,
    I think it is a lot of fun to get folks on the air using my favorite  
mode.  If it had not been for the hard, patient work of a few very fine  
operators I would not be as happy with CW as I am today.  Their skill at  
pushing me along bit by bit made CW FUN!  I try to tell others about how  
much excitement there is in amateur radio by hearing a distant signal  
amongst the noise and picking out a like minded soul to share my thoughts  
of life and living.
    During FD a day or so ago I warmed up by going to the Novice bands and  
working the slower folks.  Then to keep stretching I moved down the band  
until I had reached 7000 kHz.  I felt I had learned a great deal since I  
only skipped one or two operators who were Hell bent for leather sending  
at 10^6 wpm.  Last year I skipped far more of them so I seem to be  
catching on just a wee bit.
    However, paying forward for all I owe seems the only way to show my  
respect to my patient mentors.  I owe it to them to pass the flame on to  
the next folks seeking the calling.  If I don't care about them who will?  
If I don't work to make their code better, as my mentors did for me, how  
will I ever find someone to work when my friends have passed on?  I am in  
this for the long haul so a little more work is not a hardship.  It is my  
way of helping others enjoy a hobby which has given me a great deal.
    Kevin.  KD5ONS


On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 15:15:41 -0700, Ron D'Eau Claire  
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Every Ham worth the name (IMHO) who would answer their QRS CQ would be a  
> FB
> "code buddy". It's too bad we no longer have the Novice license and  
> bands,
> because it gave everyone a place to congregate while developing CW  
> skills.
> But since we don't it should be no surprise to hear a slow signal almost
> anywhere.
>
> Now, it's rather impolite to answer someone who just sent a CQ at 25 wpm  
> at
> 5 wpm and expect him (or her) to QRS. However, I often run across a very
> slowly sent CQ and I'll usually stop and answer at his/her speed, just  
> as I
> used to spend time in the Novice bands when they were busier. And I think
> it's my obligation to reply at the other station's speed, when he/she is
> sending slower than I am.
>
> For me, Ham radio is all about having fun. The best way I've ever found  
> to
> have fun, no matter what I'm doing, is to help other people have fun too.
>
> Maybe I'm just out of date, but the world of Ham radio I was introduced  
> to
> in the 1950's stressed cooperation over competition. I still cringe when  
> I
> see the term "radiosporting" since sports virtually always put  
> competition
> first. (At least the way I played football did, Hi!) And that includes  
> most
> of the contests. It's just darn impolite to expect a lot of callers to a
> very slow signal when almost everyone out there is trying to rack up a  
> lot
> of QSOs.
>
> Some people seem to practice "contesting" even when there is no contest.
> Their CW skills don't involve being able to do more than complete a
> high-speed exchange of name, RST and QTH followed by "73 dit-dit". They
> remind me that "Novice" operators come in all guises. Some never learn
> anything else because it doesn't interest them just as some Hams will  
> never
> touch a key.
>
> The good news is that there are a lot of operators on the CW bands who  
> feel
> as I do; It shows up loud and clear in their on-air habits.
>
> Ron AC7AC
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RE: QRE: Slow Code Watering Holes?

Ron D'Eau Claire-2
Kevin, the work you're doing with ECN represents the finest in giving back
to the hobby, as far as I'm concerned. You'll never know how many Have had
an enjoyable time and sharpened their skills just because you've gone out of
your way to enjoy CW by helping others enjoy CW.

I see you know about "Pay Forward". It's a vitally important concept in
today's world, no matter what we're doing. A lot of the troubles of this ol'
planet have related to people with a "me first" attitude who never learned
the joy of paying attention to what others dream of and aspire to achieve.
As teenager, one of the most captivating parts of this hobby to me was the
idea that I could get to know some of those people out there whose lives are
so very different from mine in places so very different from my home town.

One thing almost every one of us had in common was the issue of building
something that would work. Store-bought rigs were the exception, by far.
Every "How to Become a Ham" book started out with projects to build
receivers and then, when one got a license, how to build a transmitter.
Becoming a Ham was all about building one's station from parts. No Elecraft
(although Heath was coming along fast) and no reflectors on the internet.
With luck, a club nearby that met once a month and perhaps another within
reach. Most of the time we were left to work alone cobbling parts from old
radios and trying to make them work like the Handbook or a QST article said.
That gave us a common ground and a huge sense of achievement when we met on
the air.

That's no longer the dominant theme of Hamming. I think those of us who
build kits are certainly in the minority, much less those of us who still
doodle on a scratch pad then set about building their own ideas into a
working receiver or transmitter. But we're a group that hasn't died out and
isn't likely to do so.

Still, the majority of Hams buy their rigs at the store like a cell phone
and plug 'em in and get on the air. I don't fault them for "radiosporting".
They are drawn to the hobby for entirely different reasons and I'm happy to
help them enjoy what they do. Someone answers my CQ with a name, RST, QTH
and "73 dit-dit" I'll just say "73 OM" and wish him or her lots of fun as I
go about looking for a rag chew with someone who still considers a key and
soldering iron as essential parts of Hamming. I'm glad to have the 30, 17
and 12 meter bands for contest weekends when I'm not in a contest mood
(which is more often than not).

But just because the majority of Hams on the air today buy their rigs and
hunger for each contest, fingers poised above a keyboard, doesn't mean we're
dying out. Ham radio, like virtually every part of human endeavor, has been
moved forward not by the masses pursuing the popular activities, but by the
few who don't follow the crowd.

All of us Elecrafters are part of that group who may enjoy the company of
the gang, but we tend to like doing something a little different. We like to
get our fingers into the electrons. We like to wonder and tinker and learn
about what's going on behind the front panel.

There's room for all of us too in Ham radio.

Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Kevin Rock
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 8:28 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: QRE: [Elecraft] Slow Code Watering Holes?


Hear, hear Mr. D'Eau Claire,
    I think it is a lot of fun to get folks on the air using my favorite  
mode.  If it had not been for the hard, patient work of a few very fine  
operators I would not be as happy with CW as I am today.  Their skill at  
pushing me along bit by bit made CW FUN!  I try to tell others about how  
much excitement there is in amateur radio by hearing a distant signal  
amongst the noise and picking out a like minded soul to share my thoughts  
of life and living.
    During FD a day or so ago I warmed up by going to the Novice bands and  
working the slower folks.  Then to keep stretching I moved down the band  
until I had reached 7000 kHz.  I felt I had learned a great deal since I  
only skipped one or two operators who were Hell bent for leather sending  
at 10^6 wpm.  Last year I skipped far more of them so I seem to be  
catching on just a wee bit.
    However, paying forward for all I owe seems the only way to show my  
respect to my patient mentors.  I owe it to them to pass the flame on to  
the next folks seeking the calling.  If I don't care about them who will?  
If I don't work to make their code better, as my mentors did for me, how  
will I ever find someone to work when my friends have passed on?  I am in  
this for the long haul so a little more work is not a hardship.  It is my  
way of helping others enjoy a hobby which has given me a great deal.
    Kevin.  KD5ONS


On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 15:15:41 -0700, Ron D'Eau Claire  
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Every Ham worth the name (IMHO) who would answer their QRS CQ would be
> a
> FB
> "code buddy". It's too bad we no longer have the Novice license and  
> bands,
> because it gave everyone a place to congregate while developing CW  
> skills.
> But since we don't it should be no surprise to hear a slow signal almost
> anywhere.
>
> Now, it's rather impolite to answer someone who just sent a CQ at 25
> wpm
> at
> 5 wpm and expect him (or her) to QRS. However, I often run across a very
> slowly sent CQ and I'll usually stop and answer at his/her speed, just  
> as I
> used to spend time in the Novice bands when they were busier. And I think
> it's my obligation to reply at the other station's speed, when he/she is
> sending slower than I am.
>
> For me, Ham radio is all about having fun. The best way I've ever
> found
> to
> have fun, no matter what I'm doing, is to help other people have fun too.
>
> Maybe I'm just out of date, but the world of Ham radio I was
> introduced
> to
> in the 1950's stressed cooperation over competition. I still cringe when  
> I
> see the term "radiosporting" since sports virtually always put  
> competition
> first. (At least the way I played football did, Hi!) And that includes  
> most
> of the contests. It's just darn impolite to expect a lot of callers to a
> very slow signal when almost everyone out there is trying to rack up a  
> lot
> of QSOs.
>
> Some people seem to practice "contesting" even when there is no
> contest. Their CW skills don't involve being able to do more than
> complete a high-speed exchange of name, RST and QTH followed by "73
> dit-dit". They remind me that "Novice" operators come in all guises.
> Some never learn anything else because it doesn't interest them just as
some Hams will
> never
> touch a key.
>
> The good news is that there are a lot of operators on the CW bands who
> feel
> as I do; It shows up loud and clear in their on-air habits.
>
> Ron AC7AC
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RE: Slow Code Watering Holes?

Darwin, Keith
In reply to this post by Stephen W. Kercel
 
The simple answer is "any frequency where you call CQ at QRS speeds" :-)

SKCC (Straight Key Century Club) has attracted a group of folks who tend
to run a bit on the slow side (under 20 wpm).  I've had several QSOs
with OMs running J-38 straight keys clipping along at 12 wpm.  I'd
suggest trying their frequencies.

In my case, I pride myself on matching the other guys speed.  I prefer
to send at their speed or a tad less.  I tend to add a bit more spacing
to make each letter clear.  I'm always trying to make sure I can be
understood.  I want to hear "RRR" when the QSO swings back to the other
guy.  If he can't copy me 100% I'll slow down to increase the odds.

A few weeks ago, I had the pleasure of working K3WWP.  Sig conditions
weren't all that strong and I heard him QRS a bit during the QSO to make
copy a bit easier in the marginal conditions.  I did the same.  Funny
thing was both of us are capable of going faster (I think he can
probably bury me) but conditions warranted a slower speed so we did it.
It was fun.  It was fun to dance the dance with someone who understands
how to do it.

- Keith -

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Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 5:23 PM
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Subject: [Elecraft] Slow Code Watering Holes?


Are there particular frequencies where slow code operators who want to
talk to other slow code operators hang out?

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Re: Field Day at Home

Russell Ruby
In reply to this post by Kevin Rock

No CW groups in Oregon ?  Don't be so presumptuous :)
Just start turning over rocks - you might be surprised at
what you find !

For the second year, the "Solder Monkeys" operated club call W7FC for a
full 24 hours (actually this year we also tried the "start your setup
at 1800 UTC" and get an extra 3 hours on Sunday thing)  as class 1A
battery powered QRP CW "in the field" at a campsite just outside Corvallis
Oregon using mostly an Elecraft K2.  Backup rigs this year were an Elecraft
KX1 and TenTec PM3A.  But this year we didn't get around to using the
PM3A - the K2 was just too much fun to operate.  Keying choices ranged
from straight to bug and iambic.   Anyone interested in CW would have
been welcome to participate.   With enough help, I suppose the group
might consider trying class 2A with a GOTA station - but all QRP CW
naturally :)   One of the group had to leave in late afternoon to go
help set up a 25 inch reflector telescope on Mary's Peak (highest point
in the Oregon Coast range at 4097 feet) for an overnight viewing venture.
He scouted a bit for FD locations and gave an optimistic report.
Now that provides an interesting possibility for next year.  A view of
galaxies, nebulae, and alpine greenery with your FD.   I'll take
that cup of tea !

russ  - K7EF


On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:23:20 -0700
"Kevin Rock" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>Good Afternoon,
>
>I took Wayne's advice and had a little fun during Field Day.  I did want  
>to work with other folks for a change but the cancellation at the very  
>last minute did not allow me to find another group.  So I worked about 220  
>contacts on 20, 40, and 80 meters using only CW with a solely search and  
>pounce technique.  I did get a couple hours of 40 contacts or more but I  
>did take a number of hours off to do chores and to write some assembly  
>language.  It is my way of relaxing :)
>
>I ran the entire time on emergency power (1E) but ran from two rigs, two  
>sets of paddles, and five separate antennas from three locations.  The  
>power jumped all over the place from 3 watts to 100 watts.  Since I am not  
>submitting any log this does not matter.  I just have fun handing out  
>points to others and seeing who I can hear.  It is fun to test my CW  
>skills against the fast and slow ops.  There were a wide variety of fists  
>as well ;)
>
>My goal was to beat what I did last year.  I did that.  I also wanted to  
>work with a group of folks to get the full effect of the field day crowd.  
>I did not get to do that.  So a resolution for next year will be to start  
>very early to find a group who will not bail out at the last minute.  I  
>also need to find a group who wants a CW operator.  I was not successful  
>with finding one in Oregon.  Around here you have to be careful if you  
>mention the mode.  Too many folks are adamantly opposed to its use or even  
>its existence.  I had no idea of the depth of feeling until I mentioned  
>how much fun I had running CW.  I was never again welcome at that club!
>
>Now to ask a favor of folks in Washington, Northern California, Idaho,  
>Nevada, Utah, or Montana.  Is there any group who would have me as a CW op  
>for next year's Field Day?  I am willing to travel with my radio and  
>camping gear to work with a friendly group of folks.  QRP or not, it does  
>not matter to me.  I just want to work CW.  If there are others working  
>voice and data modes that is fine.  I simply want to find a group where I  
>will not be shunned for mentioning my enjoyment of CW.
>
>I've met a great number of very nice folks while working CW and especially  
>after I started the Elecraft CW Net.  I am sure I can find a group in the  
>Pacific Northwest who will have me for next year's Field Day outing.
>    Take care,
>       Kevin.  KD5ONS
>
>P.S.  Next week we will have both nets at their normal times and  
>frequencies.
>    KJR
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Re: Field Day at Home

Mark Perrin
Way to go Russ - keep up the Mojo with KX1 etc -

And, for others, the DX and Contest Special Interest Group of the Valley
Radio Club [Eugene, Oregon] was at 4700 ft elevation on Snow Peak and about
80% of our 1,381 Q's were CW ... alas no K2 this year.

Lotsa CW out here in Pacific Northwest.

73, Mark N7MQ

At 01:27 PM 06/27/2006 -0700, Russell Ruby wrote:

>No CW groups in Oregon ?  Don't be so presumptuous :)
>Just start turning over rocks - you might be surprised at
>what you find !
>
>For the second year, the "Solder Monkeys" operated club call W7FC for a
>full 24 hours (actually this year we also tried the "start your setup
>at 1800 UTC" and get an extra 3 hours on Sunday thing)  as class 1A
>battery powered QRP CW "in the field" at a campsite just outside Corvallis
>Oregon using mostly an Elecraft K2.  Backup rigs this year were an Elecraft
>KX1 and TenTec PM3A.  But this year we didn't get around to using the
>PM3A - the K2 was just too much fun to operate.  Keying choices ranged
>from straight to bug and iambic.   Anyone interested in CW would have
>been welcome to participate.   With enough help, I suppose the group
>might consider trying class 2A with a GOTA station - but all QRP CW
>naturally :)   One of the group had to leave in late afternoon to go
>help set up a 25 inch reflector telescope on Mary's Peak (highest point
>in the Oregon Coast range at 4097 feet) for an overnight viewing venture.
>He scouted a bit for FD locations and gave an optimistic report.
>Now that provides an interesting possibility for next year.  A view of
>galaxies, nebulae, and alpine greenery with your FD.   I'll take
>that cup of tea !
>
>russ  - K7EF
>
>
>On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:23:20 -0700
>"Kevin Rock" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> >Good Afternoon,
> >
> >I took Wayne's advice and had a little fun during Field Day.  I did want
> >to work with other folks for a change but the cancellation at the very
> >last minute did not allow me to find another group.  So I worked about 220
> >contacts on 20, 40, and 80 meters using only CW with a solely search and
> >pounce technique.  I did get a couple hours of 40 contacts or more but I
> >did take a number of hours off to do chores and to write some assembly
> >language.  It is my way of relaxing :)
> >
> >I ran the entire time on emergency power (1E) but ran from two rigs, two
> >sets of paddles, and five separate antennas from three locations.  The
> >power jumped all over the place from 3 watts to 100 watts.  Since I am not
> >submitting any log this does not matter.  I just have fun handing out
> >points to others and seeing who I can hear.  It is fun to test my CW
> >skills against the fast and slow ops.  There were a wide variety of fists
> >as well ;)
> >
> >My goal was to beat what I did last year.  I did that.  I also wanted to
> >work with a group of folks to get the full effect of the field day crowd.
> >I did not get to do that.  So a resolution for next year will be to start
> >very early to find a group who will not bail out at the last minute.  I
> >also need to find a group who wants a CW operator.  I was not successful
> >with finding one in Oregon.  Around here you have to be careful if you
> >mention the mode.  Too many folks are adamantly opposed to its use or even
> >its existence.  I had no idea of the depth of feeling until I mentioned
> >how much fun I had running CW.  I was never again welcome at that club!
> >
> >Now to ask a favor of folks in Washington, Northern California, Idaho,
> >Nevada, Utah, or Montana.  Is there any group who would have me as a CW op
> >for next year's Field Day?  I am willing to travel with my radio and
> >camping gear to work with a friendly group of folks.  QRP or not, it does
> >not matter to me.  I just want to work CW.  If there are others working
> >voice and data modes that is fine.  I simply want to find a group where I
> >will not be shunned for mentioning my enjoyment of CW.
> >
> >I've met a great number of very nice folks while working CW and especially
> >after I started the Elecraft CW Net.  I am sure I can find a group in the
> >Pacific Northwest who will have me for next year's Field Day outing.
> >    Take care,
> >       Kevin.  KD5ONS
> >
> >P.S.  Next week we will have both nets at their normal times and
> >frequencies.
> >    KJR
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Re: Slow Code Watering Holes?

Bill Coleman-2
In reply to this post by Stephen W. Kercel

On Jun 26, 2006, at 5:22 PM, Stephen W. Kercel wrote:

> At the KS1R Field Day operation we had a bunch of 5 wpm operators  
> who wanted to try their hand at CW on our GOTA station. They were  
> very disappointed because they could not find any slow stations,  
> and the 20+ wpm CW that most Field Day operators were running  
> simply overwhelmed them. Nevertheless, they are interested in  
> improving their overall on the air proficiency in CW.
>
> Are there particular frequencies where slow code operators who want  
> to talk to other slow code operators hang out?

Traditionally, the Novice bands were the place for really slow-paced  
CW. Unfortunately, the novice license isn't the route of entry into  
ham radio any more, and slow CW activity has diminished to the point  
that it is rare to find.

Generally speaking, the high-end of the CW bands are where you find  
the slowest operators. But, during Field Day, you're not likely to  
find many ops at 5 wpm.

The best thing to do in this case is to call CQ at the speed you wish  
to receive, and hope someone calls at your speed.

Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL        Mail: [hidden email]
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