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Wolfgang Schwarz -DK9VZ-

Firmware final?

Hi

current beta firmware 4.51 did show great improvements in WPX CW contest.
When will it be final?
or is there any issue that will be added/changed in the final version?

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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: Firmware final?

Wolfgang,

If by "final" you are referring to the number 4.51 - that number is
final right now - if there are any changes made, the number will be
changed.

If the beta test is successful, that same version will be declared
release level - but the code3 will be unchanged.

So, bottom line, if you are having success with 4.51, continue to use it.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/26/2012 3:30 AM, Wolfgang -DK9VZ- wrote:
> Hi
>
> current beta firmware 4.51 did show great improvements in WPX CW contest.
> When will it be final?
> or is there any issue that will be added/changed in the final version?
>

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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: Firmware final?

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The beta test of 4.51 was successful and it will be changed to final on the web site shortly. Feel free to download the zipped beta files and install them. The final version is exactly the same.

73,
Eric. WA6HHQ

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On Jun 26, 2012, at 3:24 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Wolfgang,
>
> If by "final" you are referring to the number 4.51 - that number is
> final right now - if there are any changes made, the number will be
> changed.
>
> If the beta test is successful, that same version will be declared
> release level - but the code3 will be unchanged.
>
> So, bottom line, if you are having success with 4.51, continue to use it.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 6/26/2012 3:30 AM, Wolfgang -DK9VZ- wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> current beta firmware 4.51 did show great improvements in WPX CW contest.
>> When will it be final?
>> or is there any issue that will be added/changed in the final version?
>>
>
>
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Hisashi T Fujinaka

Re: Firmware final?

I'm at work, and I don't want to forget, so let me ask this: Do you post
an announcement for the release? Last time I think I completely missed
it and was surprised when my K3 updated (and I've only had it for a few
months!)

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote:

> The beta test of 4.51 was successful and it will be changed to final on the web site shortly. Feel free to download the zipped beta files and install them. The final version is exactly the same.
>
> 73,
> Eric. WA6HHQ
>
> www.elecraft.com
> _..._
>
>
>
> On Jun 26, 2012, at 3:24 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Wolfgang,
>>
>> If by "final" you are referring to the number 4.51 - that number is
>> final right now - if there are any changes made, the number will be
>> changed.
>>
>> If the beta test is successful, that same version will be declared
>> release level - but the code3 will be unchanged.
>>
>> So, bottom line, if you are having success with 4.51, continue to use it.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 6/26/2012 3:30 AM, Wolfgang -DK9VZ- wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> current beta firmware 4.51 did show great improvements in WPX CW contest.
>>> When will it be final?
>>> or is there any issue that will be added/changed in the final version?

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Scott Manthe-2

Re: Firmware final?

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Eric,
I thought that there were issues with the CW decoder w/4.51. Did I miss
the fix on this?

73,
Scott, N9AA

On 6/28/12 6:23 AM, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote:
> The beta test of 4.51 was successful and it will be changed to final on the web site shortly. Feel free to download the zipped beta files and install them. The final version is exactly the same.
>
> 73,
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ve3dvy

Re: Firmware final?

In reply to this post by Wolfgang Schwarz -DK9VZ-

CW decoder worked fine for me on field day. and since I still have
the CW training wheels on, I sure needed the help.

CW decode THR at 3 and speed at 30-90 (I think what ever is the higher
setting) this decoded fine with speeds well below 30. cant
remember exact AGC settings but fairly high threshold for CW. I do
tend to set AF gain to one level and use rf gain for good listening
level this also helps the cw decoder by keeping noise down.

David Moes
VE3DVY

>
> --- Original message ---
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Firmware final?
> From: Scott Manthe <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Date: Thursday, 28/06/2012 11:47 AM
>
> Eric,
> I thought that there were issues with the CW decoder w/4.51. Did I
> miss
> the fix on this?
>
> 73,
> Scott, N9AA
>
>
> On 6/28/12 6:23 AM, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote:
>>
>> The beta test of 4.51 was successful and it will be changed to final
>> on the web site shortly. Feel free to download the zipped beta files
>> and install them. The final version is exactly the same.
>>
>> 73,
>> Eric. WA6HHQ
>>
>> http://www.elecraft.com
>> _..._
>>
>>
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Gill W4RYW

Re: Firmware final?

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FYI - Version 4.51 - The CW Decode/CWT function on my sn# 705 is mostly non-functional no matter what I set the threshold to. I mostly use the CWT for zero beat or to see how far off others are calling (DX) - that still works on the stronger sigs but not on weak ones.

Gary Gregory

Re: Firmware final?

*Strange indeed. #679 decoded fine this morning. The usual missing
characters due to decoding 'hand sent' cw but I don't see any great drop in
decode capability here.

Having said that, I do understand the vagaries of a machine trying to
decode a 'human' hand generated cw and at times the decode function in the
past has been pretty useless. When decoding in a contest where much is sent
(canned/recorded) by computer file, the decode has worked well.

My CW is so bad it stuggles to decode my tx on the display...:-(

73
Gary
*
On 1 July 2012 10:29, Gill W4RYW <[hidden email]> wrote:

> FYI - Version 4.51 - The CW Decode/CWT function on my sn# 705 is mostly
> non-functional no matter what I set the threshold to. I mostly use the CWT
> for zero beat or to see how far off others are calling (DX) - that still
> works on the stronger sigs but not on weak ones.
>
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ac8jd

Re: Firmware final?

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My CW Decoder is no longer functioning either since I updated the firmware. Hopefully this is addressed soon. I tend to use it as an aid when I start drifting in a qso or can't keep up with the sending station.

w6ldm

Re: Firmware final?

Mine doesn't work either since the update.
Tried all the THR combinations with a strong signal but nothing.

Thank you
Luca

On Jul 10, 2012, at 5:34 PM, ac8jd wrote:

> My CW Decoder is no longer functioning either since I updated the firmware.
> Hopefully this is addressed soon. I tend to use it as an aid when I start
> drifting in a qso or can't keep up with the sending station.
>
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Scott Manthe-2

Re: Firmware final?

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Yes, I hope it's fixed as well. Since I copy OK by ear at reasonable
speeds I don't need it, but it's a function that the is supposed to
work, did previously, and doesn't now.

73,
Scott, N9AA

On 7/10/12 8:34 PM, ac8jd wrote:
> My CW Decoder is no longer functioning either since I updated the firmware.
> Hopefully this is addressed soon. I tend to use it as an aid when I start
> drifting in a qso or can't keep up with the sending station.
>
> --
>

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Keith Heimbold

Re: Firmware final?

I believe that Wayne and team are looking at this.

There are ways to get it to work by reducing RF but it certainly does not work as well as it did. Still lowering the RF gain allows you to decode stronger signals but then lower signals you may lose out on.

Keith
AG6AZ

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On Jul 10, 2012, at 5:38 PM, "Scott Manthe" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Yes, I hope it's fixed as well. Since I copy OK by ear at reasonable
> speeds I don't need it, but it's a function that the is supposed to
> work, did previously, and doesn't now.
>
> 73,
> Scott, N9AA
>
> On 7/10/12 8:34 PM, ac8jd wrote:
>> My CW Decoder is no longer functioning either since I updated the firmware.
>> Hopefully this is addressed soon. I tend to use it as an aid when I start
>> drifting in a qso or can't keep up with the sending station.
>>
>> --
>>
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Gary Gregory

Re: Firmware final?

In reply to this post by ac8jd

*Strange, I was using mine this morning. It wasn't perfect, but, it was
getting 90% or so.

Ver. 4.51 here

Gary
*
On 11 July 2012 10:34, ac8jd <[hidden email]> wrote:

> My CW Decoder is no longer functioning either since I updated the firmware.
> Hopefully this is addressed soon. I tend to use it as an aid when I start
> drifting in a qso or can't keep up with the sending station.
>
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Doug Turnbull

Re: Firmware final?

Eric indicated in a previous post that Elecraft were aware of the decoding
problem and that it would be fixed in a future upgrade. It seemed that for
many people the improvement to AGC out weighs the loss of decoding. Perhaps
with the note explaining what the update accomplished a warning about this
problem could be inserted.

73 Doug EI2CN

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*Strange, I was using mine this morning. It wasn't perfect, but, it was
getting 90% or so.

Ver. 4.51 here

Gary
*
On 11 July 2012 10:34, ac8jd <[hidden email]> wrote:

> My CW Decoder is no longer functioning either since I updated the
firmware.

> Hopefully this is addressed soon. I tend to use it as an aid when I start
> drifting in a qso or can't keep up with the sending station.
>
> --
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Jim Rogers, W4ATK

Re: Firmware final?

Also, there is nothing to prevent one from going back to 4.48 and wait on the improvements to be incorporated in the new release.

I saved a copy of 4.48 in order to do this if necessary.

Jim, W4ATK

On Jul 11, 2012, at 2:47 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote:

> Eric indicated in a previous post that Elecraft were aware of the decoding
> problem and that it would be fixed in a future upgrade. It seemed that for
> many people the improvement to AGC out weighs the loss of decoding. Perhaps
> with the note explaining what the update accomplished a warning about this
> problem could be inserted.
>
> 73 Doug EI2CN
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: 11 July 2012 03:53
> To: ac8jd
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Firmware final?
>
> *Strange, I was using mine this morning. It wasn't perfect, but, it was
> getting 90% or so.
>
> Ver. 4.51 here
>
> Gary
> *
> On 11 July 2012 10:34, ac8jd <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> My CW Decoder is no longer functioning either since I updated the
> firmware.
>> Hopefully this is addressed soon. I tend to use it as an aid when I start
>> drifting in a qso or can't keep up with the sending station.
>>
>> --
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wayne burdick

Re: Firmware final?

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In reply to this post by Keith Heimbold

CW decode will be improved in the next release of K3 firmware.
Meanwhile, try using a lower AGC threshold and a narrow filter
bandwidth.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

> From:
> Keith Heimbold <[hidden email]>
> To:
> Scott Manthe <[hidden email]>
> CC:
> [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
>
>
> I believe that Wayne and team are looking at this.
>
> There are ways to get it to work by reducing RF but it certainly
> does not work as well as it did. Still lowering the RF gain allows
> you to decode stronger signals but then lower signals you may lose
> out on.
>
> Keith
> AG6AZ
>
> Sent from my iPhone please excuse typos
>
> On Jul 10, 2012, at 5:38 PM, "Scott Manthe" <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Yes, I hope it's fixed as well. Since I copy OK by ear at reasonable
> > speeds I don't need it, but it's a function that the is supposed to
> > work, did previously, and doesn't now.
> >
> > 73,
> > Scott, N9AA
> >
> > On 7/10/12 8:34 PM, ac8jd wrote:
> >> My CW Decoder is no longer functioning either since I updated the
> firmware.
> >> Hopefully this is addressed soon. I tend to use it as an aid
> when I start
> >> drifting in a qso or can't keep up with the sending station.
> >>
> >> --
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k6dgw

Re: Firmware final?

With 4.51, the operation of CWT seems to have changed [possibly in my
mind and not in the radio :-)] The indicator follows band noise
somewhat erratically regardless of where I put the CWT threshold which I
think is the same as the CW decode threshold. On a signal, it will
center and follow the signal as I tune. I used to have it set so only
strong noise pulses would make it appear until I was on a signal. I
don't know if it is related to the CW decode or not, but I'm wondering
if it is just me. I don't use the CW decode feature.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012
- www.cqp.org

On 7/11/2012 8:48 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> CW decode will be improved in the next release of K3 firmware.
> Meanwhile, try using a lower AGC threshold and a narrow filter
> bandwidth.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR

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wayne burdick

Re: Firmware final?

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Hi Fred,

We released 4.51 into the wild because of its important AGC
improvements -- couldn't wait on that. Sorry for the inconvenience on
CW decode and CWT, both of which will be improved in the next release.

Wayne

On Jul 11, 2012, at 3:18 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

> With 4.51, the operation of CWT seems to have changed [possibly in my
> mind and not in the radio :-)] The indicator follows band noise
> somewhat erratically regardless of where I put the CWT threshold
> which I
> think is the same as the CW decode threshold. On a signal, it will
> center and follow the signal as I tune. I used to have it set so only
> strong noise pulses would make it appear until I was on a signal. I
> don't know if it is related to the CW decode or not, but I'm wondering
> if it is just me. I don't use the CW decode feature.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012
> - www.cqp.org
>
> On 7/11/2012 8:48 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> CW decode will be improved in the next release of K3 firmware.
>> Meanwhile, try using a lower AGC threshold and a narrow filter
>> bandwidth.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>
>
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k6dgw

Re: Firmware final?

OK, just hadn't heard anything mentioned about CWT, and when that
happens, I usually begin to think ... "It's just me, I'm missing
something." I think I'm getting the hang of the AGC stuff, nice!

73,

Fred K6DGW
Auburn CA CM98lw

On 7/11/2012 5:32 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Hi Fred,
>
> We released 4.51 into the wild because of its important AGC improvements
> -- couldn't wait on that. Sorry for the inconvenience on CW decode and
> CWT, both of which will be improved in the next release.
>
> Wayne

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N5GE-2

Re: Firmware final?

In reply to this post by wayne burdick

I think the CWT is fine. I set the threshold on it so that it just flickers
with band noise, and find that at that setting I cans use it to tune signals
that are just above the noise on the P3.

I don't use the CW decode option.

73,
Tom
Radio Operator N5GE
ARRL Lifetime Member
QCWA Lifetime Member

On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:32:51 -0700, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:

>Hi Fred,
>
>We released 4.51 into the wild because of its important AGC
>improvements -- couldn't wait on that. Sorry for the inconvenience on
>CW decode and CWT, both of which will be improved in the next release.
>
>Wayne
>
>
>On Jul 11, 2012, at 3:18 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>
>> With 4.51, the operation of CWT seems to have changed [possibly in my
>> mind and not in the radio :-)] The indicator follows band noise
>> somewhat erratically regardless of where I put the CWT threshold
>> which I
>> think is the same as the CW decode threshold. On a signal, it will
>> center and follow the signal as I tune. I used to have it set so only
>> strong noise pulses would make it appear until I was on a signal. I
>> don't know if it is related to the CW decode or not, but I'm wondering
>> if it is just me. I don't use the CW decode feature.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Fred K6DGW
>> - Northern California Contest Club
>> - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012
>> - www.cqp.org
>>
>> On 7/11/2012 8:48 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>> CW decode will be improved in the next release of K3 firmware.
>>> Meanwhile, try using a lower AGC threshold and a narrow filter
>>> bandwidth.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>
>>
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