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Phil Hystad-3

Re: Future KX3/KX2 accessories?

I have never used a mic with my KX2 although the MH2 came free with it. I used the mic on my KX3 (sold a month ago) once merely to see if it worked. Otherwise, CW is my only mode for the portable ops and I have never used them with an amplifier. Barefoot is fine with me so far.

73, phil, K7PEH

> On Mar 30, 2017, at 11:18 AM, Bill Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Walt, I have 8 into the KX3. I really meant the KX2 to which I have one cable plugged into it: the antenna. If I used the KX3 in place of the KX2 I would have only two cables, the mic and the antenna. However, I have temporarily used the KX3 in place of my K3S, an I use the KXPA100 etc., in the shack. The back of my K3S has 11 external connections, but I don't grab and go with it. :-)
>
> 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ
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> I counted. I have seven cables to plug/unplug from my KX3. I don’t use the KEY jack and don’t have the 2m transverter.
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
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>> On Mar 30, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Bill Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> Phil, Me too. I already do this. My grab and go KX2 does it all for me. The KX3, I have to take a mic too, but both of these are grab and go in my shack.
>>
>> 73,
>> Bill
>> K9YEQ
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>> Phil Hystad
>> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 9:44 AM
>> To: Bill Barnes, N3JIX <[hidden email]>
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>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Future KX3/KX2 accessories?
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>> I am trying to understand this …
>>
>> I do that now with my KX2 and formerly with my KX3. What other connections are there?
>>
>> My configuration is KX2+built-in Paddles+antenna connection. Only connector is antenna (usually, sometimes I run the KX2 on external power).
>>
>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 30, 2017, at 6:20 AM, Bill Barnes, N3JIX <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>>> I'll second this one too!
>>>
>>> 73, de Bill, N3JIX
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 8:51 AM Anthony DeStefano <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>>>> I would pre-order a KXx device that allowed you go from the field to
>>>> the desk/computer via a single connection. Well and having to plugin
>>>> the antenna so make it two connections.
>>>>
>>>> -Anthony WR3T
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>>>> --
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>>>> On Thu, Mar 30, 2017, at 08:26 AM, Bill Barnes, N3JIX wrote:
>>>>> I would like to second this one: USB audio board for the kx3.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>> 73, de Bill, N3JIX
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 7:03 AM Peter Pauly <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> USB Audio. Should have been in the radio from the beginning,
>>>> especially the
>>>>>> KX2 since it's new.
>>>>>>
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Edward A. Dauer

Future KX3/KX2 Accessories?

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Me too.

Bluetooth or the equivalent for whatever can work that way, and something like the yesteryear computer “docking stations” for all the rest, maybe as the front end of a DC power supply.

Ted, KN1CBR

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I counted. I have seven cables to plug/unplug from my KX3. I don?t use the KEY jack and don?t have the 2m transverter.

wunder
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Phil Hystad-3

Re: Future KX3/KX2 accessories?

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I have the digital recorder option on my K3. But, when I use my KX2 (or, the KX3 I used to own)
they are usually in the field sometimes using a picnic bench if nearby or otherwise the tailgate of
my pickup truck with the portable antenna somewhere not far away. Can’t imagine in that
scenario ever doing anything with a sound card especially when all I do is CW. Certainly I never
have a computer with me. Well, I will often have my iPad but if that is with me I am reading a
novel inbetween QSOs.

After all, I sort of that that was the design goal of something like the KX2 and even the KX3,
minimal, small form-factor, portable operations or even hiking with it (which is something I
do not usually do).

73, phil, K7PEH

> On Mar 30, 2017, at 11:20 AM, Steve Sergeant <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I hope we can be more creative than that!
>
> How about recording, playback, and automation features, some of which
> have not yet been imagined. How abut signal processing operations that
> are beyond the DSP capability in the radio? How about some
> not-so-distant future when spoken language translation might be possible?
>
> A sound-card type interface within the unit opens up whole new doors of
> possibilities.
>
> On 3/30/17 9:53 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:
>> Is the only purpose of USB audio to interface to a computer for data ops (RTTY, PSK, etc.)?
>>
>>> On Mar 30, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>>> Me too.
>>>
>>> On 3/30/2017 5:26 AM, Bill Barnes, N3JIX wrote:
>>>> I would like to second this one: USB audio board for the kx3.
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Paul Bryan

Re: Future KX3/KX2 accessories?

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As for the calls for Bluetooth, it's not clear who wants it for
wireless mic/headset, and who wants it for digital comms.

For digital comms, I think the problem will be audio codecs adding
artifacts. The A2DP[1] mandatory codecs are all lossy, and are targeted
for human audio perception, not digital communications. AFAIK, PCM
(uncompressed audio) isn't supported in A2DP because it uses too much
bandwidth.

Paul, VA7CDB

[1] https://www.bluetooth.org/docman/handlers/DownloadDoc.ashx?doc_id=2
60859&vId=290074

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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 18:35:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Future KX3/KX2 accessories?
To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>, [hidden email]
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From: Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]>
Hi all,

The weather's been great in the Bay Area lately. That always makes us
want to escape the lab for microDXpeditions to local parks, trails,
beaches, and summits. This is what the KX-line is all about.

Here's your chance to get us back into the lab :) What future
accessories, antennas, etc. would you like to see for the KX-line?

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Re: Future KX3/KX2 accessories?

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Serial is actually used quite a bit in other fields
It just works and is pretty universal

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Thanks for confirming my guess.

I remain amazed that serial connections are used so much in amateur radio. Outside of amateur radio, I’ve used RS-232 connections once since the early 1990’s. In 2002, I connected a console to an HP-UX to rebuild the kernel and get it on our net. I threw away all my RS-232 connector building stuff a decade ago. Then I got into amateur radio.

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LA8AW

Re: [KX3] Future KX3/KX2 accessories?

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The future 'accessories' I would like to see, is an application for
configuration of all the menu settings for K3/K3s/KX3/KX2/Kxxx.

Think of how easy it wold be e.g. to change all the AGC configuration - if
it could be done with the click of the mouse.

73 de LA8AW - Odd-Egil

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> Hi all,
>
> The weather's been great in the Bay Area lately. That always makes us want
> to escape the lab for microDXpeditions to local parks, trails, beaches, and
> summits. This is what the KX-line is all about.
>
> Here's your chance to get us back into the lab :) What future accessories,
> antennas, etc. would you like to see for the KX-line?
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> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
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Re: Future KX3/KX2 Accessories? [Thanks!]

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Thanks for all the great input, everyone. Too many emails to respond to individually.

In the short term, we'll be making some improvements to both KX2 and KX3 firmware. Near the top of the list (other than bug fixes) will be a new menu entry that lets you choose one of two sets of ATU tuning data. As several people pointed out, it would be convenient to preserve your home QTH antenna tuning data when going out in the field.

Stay tuned for future updates.

73,
Wayne
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Re: Future KX3/KX2 accessories?

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Hi all,

Would like to see the addition for (40m and 30m) of APRS and GPS for mobile use for the KX3 when 2m digipeaters are not reachable.

Gerard VK2JNG
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Bill Frantz

Re: Future KX3/KX2 accessories?

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When my KX3 is fully set up for portable operation I have:

Antenna
RS232 <--> USB to P3
SignaLInk to mic in
phone out to splitter
splitter to SignaLink
splitter to headphones
SignaLink to computer
Power to KX3
Power to P3
IQ to P3
RS232 <--> P3

I have to swap plugs for the mic to use voice modes. (Plus muck
with bias, vox, levels etc.) When I use CW I have to attack the
paddle, which will break it transported attached to the KX3.

(Did I forget anything?)

73 Bill AE6JV

On 3/30/17 at 11:57 AM, [hidden email] (Phil Hystad) wrote:

>Wow, Seven cables!

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The 2M option for the KX3 supports transmit at about 3W output.
See: <http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KX3-2M%20FAQ.htm>

Let me add, there are a lot of new hams with tech licenses. Many
of them came to ham radio from an interest in community services
ARES/RACES etc. They primarily use 2M and 70cm FM repeaters and
simplex. It would be good for the hobby to have a radio which
supported these FM uses and opened the possibility of other
modes and bands. The Yaesu 8900 almost meets this requirement,
except it only does FM. There is a very useful tech SSB subband
on 10M which this radio just misses supporting.

I'm sure that some of them would want a high quality, US built,
radio that met their needs plus a little. Call it, "The gateway radio".

73 Bill AE6JV

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>I realize the kx3 could be equipped to receive 2 meters now but
>that's a lot of kit compared to an 817 just for 2 meter receive....
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Don Wilhelm

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With 2m/70cm FM handhelds on the market selling for $35 to $100, I would
think it unwise for Elecraft to attempt to delve into that market, even
if it included multi-mode.

Yes, an All-Mode 2m/70cm transceiver would be attractive (and they
exist), but I suspect the current price point for those transceivers
would not be attractive to Elecraft.

In addition, Elecraft is dedicated to quality products, while the
current competition does not seem to be similarly dedicated - "sell them
as cheaply as you can" and hope the sales volume will make up for the
deficiencies seems to be the current focus.

It seems to me that most activity on 2M/70cm is FM, and those doing
other modes are a select (small) group.

So if you are among those who desire SSB, CW, and modes other than FM on
2m/70CM, then let your voices be heard, but until there is a significant
amount of operating those bands in your favorite style, your choices of
ready built equipment will be small.

As a parallel, I recall when I was starting out in ham radio (1950s)
that there was little commercial gear for VHF (50MHz and above). Those
who delved into VHF operation were experimenters and pioneers who built
their own transmitters and receivers. At that time the Technician Class
license was one for experimenters, and not an entry license.

The Heathkit 6er and 2er changed some of that and opened the VHF
spectrum to many more hams - that was AM rather than FM.

73,
Don W3FPR

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/30/2017 6:06 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:

> The 2M option for the KX3 supports transmit at about 3W output. See:
> <http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KX3-2M%20FAQ.htm>
>
> Let me add, there are a lot of new hams with tech licenses. Many of them
> came to ham radio from an interest in community services ARES/RACES etc.
> They primarily use 2M and 70cm FM repeaters and simplex. It would be
> good for the hobby to have a radio which supported these FM uses and
> opened the possibility of other modes and bands. The Yaesu 8900 almost
> meets this requirement, except it only does FM. There is a very useful
> tech SSB subband on 10M which this radio just misses supporting.
>
> I'm sure that some of them would want a high quality, US built, radio
> that met their needs plus a little. Call it, "The gateway radio".

David Woolley (E.L)

Re: Future KX3/KX2 accessories?

In reply to this post by Steve Sergeant

Computerised language translation is predicated on good continuous
speech recognition. For a long time that is going to rely on relatively
clean audio. Even if automated translation in noise becomes possible,
with the amount of noise, etc., on an amateur radio circuit, the
additional degradation in going from digital to analogue and back is
likely to be negligible.

There is also a fundamental problem with machine translation in that the
solution for the translation will not stabilise until the end of
sentence, or later. Whilst a human also needs to reach this point for
full understanding, they will have part processed the speech before they
get there. In the general case, the machine translator cannot even
start passing the translation on to the human until it reaches this
point, so there will always be a significant extra processing delay,
compared with understanding the language, directly.

I would also expect any software or hardware that comes onto the market
to have been designed for use with at least the telephone bandwidth of
300-3.4kHz, not the narrower bandwidth used for SSB radio. Even
telephone bandwidth is not enough to accurately recognize sibilants (s,
sh, h, etc.).

The main case where direct digital is useful is for digital mode, where
phase errors, which have no impact on speech recognition, may be
significant.

On 30/03/17 19:20, Steve Sergeant wrote:

> How abut signal processing operations that
> are beyond the DSP capability in the radio? How about some
> not-so-distant future when spoken language translation might be possible?

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I'm pretty sure I'm beating a dead horse -- but -- once upon a time in a land far away ...
Any chance of an adapter that would allow the use of the P3 with the KX3 ???????? -- Don N4HH

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Subject: [KX3] Future KX3/KX2 accessories?

Hi all,

The weather's been great in the Bay Area lately. That always makes us want to escape the lab for microDXpeditions to local parks, trails, beaches, and summits. This is what the KX-line is all about.

Here's your chance to get us back into the lab :) What future accessories, antennas, etc. would you like to see for the KX-line?

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Don Wilhelm

Re: [KX3] Future KX3/KX2 accessories?

Don,

The P3 needs an IF signal and there is none in the KX3.
The KX3 has the RX I/Q outputs which you can connect to a computer
soundcard, or to the PX3.
The display for the PX3 is the same size as the P3 (it uses the same
display) and will accept a keyboard input as well.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/31/2017 12:52 PM, Don Nesbitt [hidden email] [KX3] wrote:
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> Any chance of an adapter that would allow the use of the P3 with the KX3
> ???????? -- Don N4HH
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Christopher Hoover

Re: Future KX3/KX2 accessories?

In reply to this post by wayne burdick

I would like an adapter for the KX2 that breaks out the microphone and PTT
switch on the mic input TRRS into 3.5mm mic and 3.5mm PTT.

All of TRRS splitters (mostly designed or CITA mic/phone sets) aren't
helpful given the KX2 mic input pinning.

Idea is simple: microphone across tip and shield, PTT across the rings.

I made up my own adapter, but I'd pay for a more robust one with proper
strain relief and over-molding.

-ch
73 de AI6KG

On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 6:35 PM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> The weather's been great in the Bay Area lately. That always makes us want
> to escape the lab for microDXpeditions to local parks, trails, beaches, and
> summits. This is what the KX-line is all about.
>
> Here's your chance to get us back into the lab :) What future
> accessories, antennas, etc. would you like to see for the KX-line?
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
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Steve Sergeant

Re: Future KX3/KX2 accessories?

If they're going to do that, I'd like to instead or in addition see an
adaptor cable for cellphone "earbud" headsets to use both earbuds and
the internal microphone on the KX2. PTT would be nice, but optional.

On 3/31/17 17:38 PM, Christopher Hoover wrote:

> I would like an adapter for the KX2 that breaks out the microphone and PTT
> switch on the mic input TRRS into 3.5mm mic and 3.5mm PTT.
>
> All of TRRS splitters (mostly designed or CITA mic/phone sets) aren't
> helpful given the KX2 mic input pinning.
>
> Idea is simple: microphone across tip and shield, PTT across the rings.
>
> I made up my own adapter, but I'd pay for a more robust one with proper
> strain relief and over-molding.
>
> -ch
> 73 de AI6KG
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 6:35 PM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> The weather's been great in the Bay Area lately. That always makes us want
>> to escape the lab for microDXpeditions to local parks, trails, beaches, and
>> summits. This is what the KX-line is all about.
>>
>> Here's your chance to get us back into the lab :) What future
>> accessories, antennas, etc. would you like to see for the KX-line?
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR

Christopher Hoover

Re: Future KX3/KX2 accessories?

In reply to this post by wayne burdick

I want an Android app for KX2. I may write it myself, if Elecraft
doesn't. (I know there's a KX3 app, but it is buggy when run against the
KX2).

73,
-ch
AI6KG

On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 6:35 PM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:

kj6ptx

Re: Future KX3/KX2 accessories?

In reply to this post by wayne burdick

The Elecraft antenna tuner is great for portable use with all types of antennas. I don't take my KXPA100 with me portable due to size, weight and not wanting to unassemble my base station. It would be nice to have either a smaller amp/tuner or just a tuner in the 50 watt range to use with other small amps.

I'd also like to be able to use the Mic up/down buttons for voice messages 1 and 2.

I've mentioned these before through support but thought I would put in an extra plug for them here.

Thanks and 73,
Richard, KJ6PTX

Barry Baines

Re: Future KX3/KX2 accessories?

In reply to this post by Paul Stoetzer

Paul:

Well said! Along with the challenges inherent in having to manage two FT-817s to manage a satellite contact, there is also the relative degree of difficulty in managing the FT-817’s menu settings which can be very confusing to new users. On the other hand, in my opinion Elecraft’s menu management of settings is much easier to understand and implement, enhancing the user experience. In addition, the quality of user support provided by this forum is a significant service as well, enhancing the Elecraft brand.

Bottom line is that a KX2 or KX3 style radio capable of 2M/70 cm with full duplex would be an awesome product as the number of amateur satellites in orbit will continue to increase over the next couple of years…

Barry
WD4ASW

> On Mar 30, 2017, at 7:55 AM, Paul Stoetzer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> A KX2 or KX3 sized full-duplex 2m/70cm radio would be amazing and fill a
> big hole in current product availability.
>
> Lots of satellite ops currently use an "FT-1634" or "FT-1674" (2 FT-817s or
> 1 FT-817 & 1 FT-857) for this purpose.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
> On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 00:00 Ryan Noguchi via Elecraft <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>> Here's your chance to get us back into the lab :) What future
>> accessories, antennas, etc. would you like to see for the KX-line?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I'd like a 2M and 70CM transverter for working the linear satellites.
>> Ideally it would be capable of full-duplex operation with reverse VFO
>> tracking, but I'd settle for being able to use it half-duplex. A lot of
>> folks use one or two FT-817NDs as the foundation for their portable
>> satellite station, and it would be nice to be able to do that with the KX3
>> or KX2. While an internal unit would be more convenient, an external unit
>> would offer the possibility of working with both the KX3 and KX2, and a
>> larger connector (BNC, N, or SO239) for use with typical beam antennas.
>>
>> I might buy an iambic or single-lever paddle that connects to the KX3 with
>> the paddles pointing to the left. To use the KXPD3 without my wrist
>> cramping up, I'd have to turn the KX3 90 degrees to the left.
>>
>> More programmable function keys for storing macros or menu items would be
>> useful on the KX3. Maybe hold PF2 then press any other button to access the
>> programmable function stored there. The same approach could be taken with
>> the KX2's single PF button.
>>
>> More DVR memories would be useful, even if they draw from the same memory
>> storage, e.g., if the total stored time for all messages was limited to 30
>> seconds or less. Even just one more memory would be incredibly helpful for
>> Field Day and other contests: call, CQ, and exchange.
>>
>> 73, Ryan AI6DO
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Re: Future KX3/KX2 accessories?

Actually, even though this discussion is on future KX3/KX2 accessories, I would rather see
a separate self-contained all mode, full duplex, 2M/70cm and maybe ever 23 cm radio that
puts out more than a few watts. I would say 10 to 50 watts on 2M/70cm and then the maximum
which I think is 5 watts on 23 cm (if that too is supported).

Also, features for satellite comms too would be nice.

And maybe a full 1.5 KW linear amplifier for 2 meters too — OK, just kidding, I am happy
with 10 watts.

73, phil, K7PEH

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