Fw: FCC 60m Band Change Rules PublishedInFederalRegister On 03 February 2012 - Correction

[hf4me]

Sorry, I should have stated the CW signal you are receiving should be
exactly ON the CENTER frequency of that channel as would be your transmitted
signal.

73, de Jim KG0KP

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Miller KG0KP" <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FCC 60m Band Change Rules PublishedInFederalRegister
On 03 February 2012 - Correction

> Fred,
>
> I am glad you stated the "their RTTY" =  "our PSK" as I had realized that
> it
> wasn't RTTY as we know it but did not know it was PSK which I had assumed
> was allowed but with the question of one signal vs. many.
>
> I have the same questions and understandings, but...  One item you didn't
> explicitly state is the "dial frequency" for CW operation.  Let me make a
> statement and see if I understand the CW usage settings.
>
> For those NOT using a PC and digital display program, the dial would be
> set
> to the exact "zero beat frequency" of the station you ware responding to.
>
> Does the digital operator using a waterfall in CW mode (using HRD for
> example) set the received signal for 600 Hz (if that is what they have set
> in the radio for tone frequency) below (if in USB) in order to display the
> received signal at the "plus 600" marker on the waterfall so they will
> transmit on his same frequency?
>
> Thanks es 73, de Jim KG0KP
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred Jensen" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FCC 60m Band Change Rules Published
> InFederalRegister On 03 February 2012 - Correction
>
>
>>I think we all need to be careful.  In the case of USB, we put our
>> "suppressed carrier" [i.e. dial reading on a K3] 1.5 KHz below the
>> authorized center frequency.  The USB energy is above that and fills the
>> 2.8 MHz channel, and it's "one QSO per channel."
>>
>> For CW, we are told to put our keyed RF signal *on* the channel center
>> frequency.  There is only one "center frequency" per channel, so again,
>> it's "one QSO per channel."  CW and USB seem pretty clear.
>>
>> The two data modes aren't quite as clear.  "Data", as the FCC uses it is
>> a 2K80J2D emission which wiki.radioreference.com defines as "HF
>> PACTOR-III."  Again, the emission fills the channel and it's "one QSO
>> per channel."  The FCC's "RTTY" is a 60H0J2B emission which
>> radioreference.com defines as PSK31, which precludes what we hams define
>> as RTTY [45.5 baud 170 Hz shift FSK].
>>
>> What's not clear is where to place your PSK31 signal.  If your PSK31
>> signal extends upward from your dial frequency, then the R&O seems to
>> say you put your dial frequency 1.5 KHz below the channel center
>> frequency.  Where you actually transmit your PSK31 signal above that
>> doesn't appear to be specified as long as it isn't 2.8 KHz or more,
>> which is a little strange.  Given the "one QSO per channel" philosophy
>> for CW, Phone, and PACTOR-III, I would think that they would want my
>> PSK31 signal centered in the channel and it would be "one PSK31 QSO per
>> channel" like the other emissions.  It just doesn't say that explicitly.
>>
>> There are several references in the R&O to various techniques for
>> minimizing interference to Federal users, and that seems to be a driving
>> factor behind the "one QSO per channel" requirement.  If it's just me
>> and you conversing, there will be natural, frequent breaks for a primary
>> user to claim the channel.  If the 60H0J2B emission type is intended to
>> allow multiple QSO's within the channel, as happens now above 14070,
>> there will be no breaks and no way for a primary user to claim the
>> channel.
>>
>> I don't have the answer, if someone does I'd really like to hear it, but
>> do I think we all need to be careful as 5 March rolls around.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Fred K6DGW
>> - Northern California Contest Club
>> - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012
>> - www.cqp.org
>>
>> On 2/3/2012 7:14 PM, Rick Bates wrote:
>>> Hi Sandy,
>>>
>>> If I read it correctly, we can use RTTY, Pactor and PSK modes (using USB
>>> if
>>> AFSK) and are limited to 2.8 KHz.  It said we were NOT limited to those
>>> modes for data as it would suppress experimentation.
>>
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[Don Wilhelm-4]

Jim,

With Elecraft gear, set the VFO frequency to the center channel
frequency for CW - the note you will hear from the other station should
be at the setting of your sidetone pitch, and you will transmit at the
channel center frequency.
Yes, that is different than the suppressed carrier frequency that you
must use in USB.
CW in SSB is no help here either - the offset is not 1.5 kHz.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/4/2012 2:55 PM, Jim Miller KG0KP wrote:
> Sorry, I should have stated the CW signal you are receiving should be
> exactly ON the CENTER frequency of that channel as would be your transmitted
> signal.
>
>
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BTW, most of the transceivers today "offset" the Receiver to a 600-700 Hz
difference from the dial reading, other wise there would be no tone just
"silence" received when the station that keys his rig up on the frequency
your dial reads.  Read your transceiver manual!  This is sometimes a
programmable "offset", what ever is comfortable for the operator.


Yes we are going to have to be careful to avoid any possible problems with
"Primary users" of the channels we use!

A further note on PSK-31.  It is easy to generate "spurious sidebands" by
over driving the transceiver from the PSK interface!  Most people who do
this, mostly "newbies" unknowingly, usually get "unholy hell" raised with
them once or twice before they get things adjusted properly.  Other PSK
users will also raise hell with you for running TOO MUCH power!  MOST
IMPORTANT in PSK environments is use only as much as you need to maintain a
QSO!  Save yourself "grief" and the guy who might be next to you on the band
from some by being very careful about this.  It is REAL EASY to misadjust
things so your signal isn't "clean"!  Fortunately on 60 meters, your "Linear
Amplifier" isn't allowed!

73 to all,

Sandy W5TVW

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