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> You might want to read about the reaffirmations about PRB-1 on the FCC > website. PRB-1 also applies to CC&R's, HomeOwner Assoc. ect. Find it > here and read it...you will be pleasantly suprised. > > http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/index.htm?job=prb-1&id=amateur&page=4 > > Gregg R. Lengling, W9DHI, Un-Retired > K2/100 SN 3075 > http://www.milwaukeehdtv.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Barker" <[hidden email]> > To: "Elecraft" <[hidden email]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:41 AM > Subject: RE: [Elecraft] ridge vent as antenna? > > >> Reread your CC&Rs. Maybe they do allow TV antennas. You probably have >> neighboors who use Satellite for TV. Just say you have HDTV and run a UHF >> Yagi up a pole. Tell them it's for HD, but insulate the bottom. Instant >> top-hat vertical! >> >> YMMV, but how can they say no TV? That's un-American<g>. >> >> Dan / WG4S / K2 #2456 / New home, no Restrictions, but WAY down in a hole >> I've not figured how to get out of<sigh> >> <snip> >> but has restrictive covenants - no outside antennas. Grrr. >> </snip> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Post to: [hidden email] >> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Mar 22, 2006, at 8:51 AM, Gregg R. Lengling wrote: > > > >> You might want to read about the reaffirmations about PRB-1 on the >> FCC website. PRB-1 also applies to CC&R's, HomeOwner Assoc. ect. >> Find it here and read it...you will be pleasantly suprised. >> >> http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/index.htm? >> job=prb-1&id=amateur&page=4 >> Unfortunately not. Read it again. The key portion is: Therefore, the scope of the limited preemption policy of PRB-1 for amateur radio stations remains applicable only to regulations of state, county, municipal and other local governing bodies, and is not applicable to HOA bylaws and ACC regulations. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Gregg,
That was what the petition requested ... but if you read nearer the bottom, the request was denied. Now, I do understand that some of the states have legislation or are considering legislation that will apply the same principles as PRB-1 to CC&Rs and HOA rules - encourage your state legislators, now is a good time given the good press that ham radio has gotten in the aftermath of this last hurricane season. 73, Don W3FPR > -----Original Message----- > > > You might want to read about the reaffirmations about PRB-1 on the FCC > > website. PRB-1 also applies to CC&R's, HomeOwner Assoc. ect. Find it > > here and read it...you will be pleasantly suprised. > > > > http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/index.htm?job=prb-1&id=amateur&page=4 > > > > Gregg R. Lengling, W9DHI, Un-Retired > > K2/100 SN 3075 > > http://www.milwaukeehdtv.org > > > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Indeed. Irrespective of PRB 1, FCC has separately ruled AGAINST homeowner
associations in that they cannot legislate to prevent you having an outdoor TV antenna. A little thing called freedom of speech and press. Put up a vertical with a dummy (or real) TV antenna atop it. Might broadband it on the low bands, HI. Stuart K5KVH _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
RE: ridge vent as antenna?
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Stuart K5KVH wrote:
"...FCC has separately ruled AGAINST homeowner associations in that they cannot legislate to prevent you having an outdoor TV antenna. A little thing called freedom of speech and press. Put up a vertical with a dummy (or real) TV antenna atop it...." ----------------------- There's the popular "stealth" approach of putting up a TV antenna with suitable guy wires to ensure it is a proper, safe installation. Who cares that the guy wires are actually the legs of one or more dipoles with the coax feeder(s) following the mast down? Even if the TV mast is only 5 feet or so high, it's still a huge improvement over most indoor installations and, assuming you don't need a TV antenna, you can mount a small beam on top and get on VHF with one of the Elecraft transverters hooked to your K2! Ron AC7AC _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Gregg R. Lengling
It would seem to me that if a TV antenna on a mast with guy wires is
permitted, then a multiband vertical with no guy wires would be viewed as an improvement and would be even more permitted. Of course that assumes these CCR's have some rational thought behind them - which is a stretch! When I lived in CA and had CCRs to deal with I put a 4BTV in the back yard. I camo'ed it by painting it flat gray to match the sky. Worked pretty well visually but the paint I used was conductive and I sprayed right over the traps thus shorting them all out. A bit of masking tape would have fixed the issue. Or, put a short vertical in the back yard (15' tall maybe) with an auto tuner at the base. Put down lots of short radials. - Keith KD1E - -----Original Message----- There's the popular "stealth" approach of putting up a TV antenna with suitable guy wires to ensure it is a proper, safe installation. Who cares that the guy wires are actually the legs of one or more dipoles with the coax feeder(s) following the mast down? Even if the TV mast is only 5 feet or so high, it's still a huge improvement over most indoor installations and, assuming you don't need a TV antenna, you can mount a small beam on top and get on VHF with one of the Elecraft transverters hooked to your K2! _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:51:35 -0600, Gregg R. Lengling wrote:
>> You might want to read about the reaffirmations about PRB-1 on the FCC >> website. PRB-1 also applies to CC&R's, HomeOwner Assoc. ect. Find it >> here and read it...you will be pleasantly suprised. Sorry, but YOU will be unpleasantly surprised to find that there is a specific footnote in PRB-1 that clearly states that the limited pre-emption DOES NOT apply to private-sector agreements such as CC&R provisions or HOA regulations. We tried to slip in that it did pre-empt in a case in California (_Hotz v Rich_) about 12 years ago, and the trial court bought it, but the law clerk who wrote the decision in the Court of Appeal actually read PRB-1 and shot us down, as well as our argument that a state court enforcement of a private agreement constituted "state action" which would fall under PRB-1. You win some and you lose some. Rep. Greg Walden (R-OR District 5) - who is one of the two licensed hams in The Congress - has introduced a bill to assert Federal pre-emption of such private agreements in the last few sessions of The Congress but in spite of numerous "co-sponsors" it dies each time. Greg is facing a serious challenge in the coming election, too. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane ARRL Volunteer Counsel (I used to do this full-time) _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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