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KK7P
  I think you'll find this interesting.

Lyle

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [FlexEdge] Field Day, Focus and Contest Skins?
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 14:18:15 -0500
From: Dr. Howard S. White <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>



Ran the Flex 5000 for Field Day with 2 Flex Newbie's who were Very Experienced Contest Operators who regularly win major contests.

The issue quickly became the fact that it was difficult to use the Flex in a contest environment because the operators had difficulty with the focus of the keyboard in search and pounce mode.  This was not an issue when we held a frequency as we did not have to touch the radio.

On several occasions, they would be typing into N1MM, then changing frequencies, forgetting to move the focus back to N1MM so PowerSDR  abruptly changed the radio frequencies or bands because they typed on the wrong  screen...and of course lost the contact....  It became highly frustrating in the heat of battle..

I had the mouse set so that by hovering over a program it would shift focus but that was not really good enough in the heat of the contest where the mouse needs to be hovering over PowerSDR but typing needs to be into the Contest logger.

Bottom Line:      They concluded that the Flex was not ready for "Prime Time" Contesting.


I seem to recall some discussions on program focus on this reflector but it is impossible to search this reflector's archives..


A Few of Recommendations:


1.       There really needs to be a Contest Skin which removes about 90% of the controls that you never use in the contest...they could be "set it and forget it" in the main form and hidden during contests..... You really only use frequency via mouse wheel, band, filters.

2.       The Contest Skin needs to integrate a contest logging program such as N1MM or Writelog into the Skin so that you never have to switch programs...ideally the logger should show inside the skin.

3.       In the alternative, remove the ability of the keyboard to interact with PowerSDR during contests and fix its focus onto the Contest Logger while fixing the focus of the mouse wheel on frequency changing.

4.       Or in the alternative, use a second computer for the contest logger... really ugly solution...

5.       There needs to be a detailed Knowledge Base Article on Focus for contesting.

One other suggestion... move this reflector to a reflector such as Yahoo Groups which has a searchable archive...so you won't continually have people asking the same questions all the time.
__________________________________________________________
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Re: Fwd: [FlexEdge] Field Day, Focus and Contest Skins?

Brett Howard
I actually had a similar experience however our guys were using the K3
an LP-PAN and PowerSDR I/F.  They'd go to enter the callsign and the
number of the call would send you off to that frequency.  Not to
mention that we were in a white automotive tent which made it quite
bright inside there and it was tough to see the mouse cursor for some
of the ops.

~Brett (N7MG)

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Lyle Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:

>  I think you'll find this interesting.
>
> Lyle
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject:        [FlexEdge] Field Day, Focus and Contest Skins?
> Date:   Mon, 28 Jun 2010 14:18:15 -0500
> From:   Dr. Howard S. White <[hidden email]>
> To:     [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
>
>
>
> Ran the Flex 5000 for Field Day with 2 Flex Newbie's who were Very Experienced Contest Operators who regularly win major contests.
>
> The issue quickly became the fact that it was difficult to use the Flex in a contest environment because the operators had difficulty with the focus of the keyboard in search and pounce mode.  This was not an issue when we held a frequency as we did not have to touch the radio.
>
> On several occasions, they would be typing into N1MM, then changing frequencies, forgetting to move the focus back to N1MM so PowerSDR  abruptly changed the radio frequencies or bands because they typed on the wrong  screen...and of course lost the contact....  It became highly frustrating in the heat of battle..
>
> I had the mouse set so that by hovering over a program it would shift focus but that was not really good enough in the heat of the contest where the mouse needs to be hovering over PowerSDR but typing needs to be into the Contest logger.
>
> Bottom Line:      They concluded that the Flex was not ready for "Prime Time" Contesting.
>
>
> I seem to recall some discussions on program focus on this reflector but it is impossible to search this reflector's archives..
>
>
> A Few of Recommendations:
>
>
> 1.       There really needs to be a Contest Skin which removes about 90% of the controls that you never use in the contest...they could be "set it and forget it" in the main form and hidden during contests..... You really only use frequency via mouse wheel, band, filters.
>
> 2.       The Contest Skin needs to integrate a contest logging program such as N1MM or Writelog into the Skin so that you never have to switch programs...ideally the logger should show inside the skin.
>
> 3.       In the alternative, remove the ability of the keyboard to interact with PowerSDR during contests and fix its focus onto the Contest Logger while fixing the focus of the mouse wheel on frequency changing.
>
> 4.       Or in the alternative, use a second computer for the contest logger... really ugly solution...
>
> 5.       There needs to be a detailed Knowledge Base Article on Focus for contesting.
>
> One other suggestion... move this reflector to a reflector such as Yahoo Groups which has a searchable archive...so you won't continually have people asking the same questions all the time.
> __________________________________________________________
> Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6  ex-AE6SM  KY6LA
> Website: www.ky6la.com<http://www.ky6la.com/>
> "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished"
> "Ham Antennas Save Lives - Katrina, 2003&  2007 San Diego Fires, 911"
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexedge_flex-radio.biz
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>
>
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Re: Fwd: [FlexEdge] Field Day, Focus and Contest Skins?

Brett Howard
I should add though that they so loved the ability to click around on
stations just like they can with their N1MM band map that they usually
kept causing themselves the problem.  They'd swear off using PowerSDR
and said I'm just going to leave the focus on N1MM and not worry about
it anymore but they'd keep seeing something they'd want to go after
and the point/click ease was just too attractive.  Many also had
issues with the right click to go between pan mode and point/shoot
mode.

Many also didn't like the slight lag in turning the knob and seeing
the signals.  As you tune the knob on the K3 the signals kinda drop
out and you have to stop your QSY then let the signals come up out of
the noise again and then dial into it...  I hope that the P3 is a lot
faster and the signals stay visible while fast QSYing.  I don't
remember being able to do a whole lot of that when I saw it in Seaside
but there weren't a lot of signals all over just the 4 that were in
the recorder...

~Brett (N7MG)

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Brett Howard <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I actually had a similar experience however our guys were using the K3
> an LP-PAN and PowerSDR I/F.  They'd go to enter the callsign and the
> number of the call would send you off to that frequency.  Not to
> mention that we were in a white automotive tent which made it quite
> bright inside there and it was tough to see the mouse cursor for some
> of the ops.
>
> ~Brett (N7MG)
>
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Lyle Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>  I think you'll find this interesting.
>>
>> Lyle
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject:        [FlexEdge] Field Day, Focus and Contest Skins?
>> Date:   Mon, 28 Jun 2010 14:18:15 -0500
>> From:   Dr. Howard S. White <[hidden email]>
>> To:     [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ran the Flex 5000 for Field Day with 2 Flex Newbie's who were Very Experienced Contest Operators who regularly win major contests.
>>
>> The issue quickly became the fact that it was difficult to use the Flex in a contest environment because the operators had difficulty with the focus of the keyboard in search and pounce mode.  This was not an issue when we held a frequency as we did not have to touch the radio.
>>
>> On several occasions, they would be typing into N1MM, then changing frequencies, forgetting to move the focus back to N1MM so PowerSDR  abruptly changed the radio frequencies or bands because they typed on the wrong  screen...and of course lost the contact....  It became highly frustrating in the heat of battle..
>>
>> I had the mouse set so that by hovering over a program it would shift focus but that was not really good enough in the heat of the contest where the mouse needs to be hovering over PowerSDR but typing needs to be into the Contest logger.
>>
>> Bottom Line:      They concluded that the Flex was not ready for "Prime Time" Contesting.
>>
>>
>> I seem to recall some discussions on program focus on this reflector but it is impossible to search this reflector's archives..
>>
>>
>> A Few of Recommendations:
>>
>>
>> 1.       There really needs to be a Contest Skin which removes about 90% of the controls that you never use in the contest...they could be "set it and forget it" in the main form and hidden during contests..... You really only use frequency via mouse wheel, band, filters.
>>
>> 2.       The Contest Skin needs to integrate a contest logging program such as N1MM or Writelog into the Skin so that you never have to switch programs...ideally the logger should show inside the skin.
>>
>> 3.       In the alternative, remove the ability of the keyboard to interact with PowerSDR during contests and fix its focus onto the Contest Logger while fixing the focus of the mouse wheel on frequency changing.
>>
>> 4.       Or in the alternative, use a second computer for the contest logger... really ugly solution...
>>
>> 5.       There needs to be a detailed Knowledge Base Article on Focus for contesting.
>>
>> One other suggestion... move this reflector to a reflector such as Yahoo Groups which has a searchable archive...so you won't continually have people asking the same questions all the time.
>> __________________________________________________________
>> Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6  ex-AE6SM  KY6LA
>> Website: www.ky6la.com<http://www.ky6la.com/>
>> "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished"
>> "Ham Antennas Save Lives - Katrina, 2003&  2007 San Diego Fires, 911"
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Flexedge mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexedge_flex-radio.biz
>> This is the FlexRadio Systems e-mail Reflector called FlexEdge.  It is used for posting topics related to SDR software development and experimentalist who are using alpha and beta versions of the software.
>>
>>
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Re: Fwd: [FlexEdge] Field Day, Focus and Contest Skins?

KK7P
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  Oops!

My error, I never intended to copy this to the Elecraft reflector.

My sincere apologies.

73,

Lyle KK7P
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Re: Fwd: [FlexEdge] Field Day, Focus and Contest Skins?

W6NEK
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Hi Brett,
What you describe is commensurate with the PowerSDR Display "AVG" Mode being
enabled.  If "AVG" Mode is off, the displayed panadapter signal amplitude
will not decrease as you tune the band.  The displayed signals are real-time
with a display frame rate adjustable to 50 frames per second.  Just click
the AVG Button off.

73,
Frank - W6NEK

----- Original Message -----
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Cc: "Elecraft Group" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: [FlexEdge] Field Day, Focus and Contest Skins?


<SNIP>
Many also didn't like the slight lag in turning the knob and seeing
the signals.  As you tune the knob on the K3 the signals kinda drop
out and you have to stop your QSY then let the signals come up out of
the noise again and then dial into it...  I hope that the P3 is a lot
faster and the signals stay visible while fast QSYing.  I don't
remember being able to do a whole lot of that when I saw it in Seaside
but there weren't a lot of signals all over just the 4 that were in
the recorder...

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Re: Fwd: [FlexEdge] Field Day, Focus and Contest Skins?

Brett Howard
Yea I kinda noticed that... But I felt like I was about to enter into a
seizure when its real time...

I'm not sure what would work better but two interesting things to see
would be either have the display go into real time mode during a QSY or
have the display freeze the averaged data during QSY.  I'm not as
certain about that second idea but there are maybe some slight
modifications of that that could be interesting...

~Brett (N7MG)

On Mon, 2010-06-28 at 14:59 -0700, W6NEK wrote:

> Hi Brett,
> What you describe is commensurate with the PowerSDR Display "AVG" Mode being
> enabled.  If "AVG" Mode is off, the displayed panadapter signal amplitude
> will not decrease as you tune the band.  The displayed signals are real-time
> with a display frame rate adjustable to 50 frames per second.  Just click
> the AVG Button off.
>
> 73,
> Frank - W6NEK
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brett Howard" <[hidden email]>
> To: "Lyle Johnson" <[hidden email]>
> Cc: "Elecraft Group" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 12:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: [FlexEdge] Field Day, Focus and Contest Skins?
>
>
> <SNIP>
> Many also didn't like the slight lag in turning the knob and seeing
> the signals.  As you tune the knob on the K3 the signals kinda drop
> out and you have to stop your QSY then let the signals come up out of
> the noise again and then dial into it...  I hope that the P3 is a lot
> faster and the signals stay visible while fast QSYing.  I don't
> remember being able to do a whole lot of that when I saw it in Seaside
> but there weren't a lot of signals all over just the 4 that were in
> the recorder...
>
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Re: Fwd: [FlexEdge] Field Day, Focus and Contest Skins?

W6NEK
Hi Brett,
If you must run with AVG ON then a good compromise is to set the "AVG"
Averaging Time from 350 milliseconds (default) down to 50 milliseconds.  The
adjustment is located under the PowerSDR Setup Menu in the Display Tab.  The
control is titled Averaging - Time(ms).  Or you can set it to any value from
1 to 350ms to your liking.

Best 73,
Frank - W6NEK

----- Original Message -----
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To: "W6NEK" <[hidden email]>
Cc: "Elecraft Group" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: [FlexEdge] Field Day, Focus and Contest Skins?


> Yea I kinda noticed that... But I felt like I was about to enter into a
> seizure when its real time...
>
> I'm not sure what would work better but two interesting things to see
> would be either have the display go into real time mode during a QSY or
> have the display freeze the averaged data during QSY.  I'm not as
> certain about that second idea but there are maybe some slight
> modifications of that that could be interesting...
>
> ~Brett (N7MG)
>
> On Mon, 2010-06-28 at 14:59 -0700, W6NEK wrote:
>> Hi Brett,
>> What you describe is commensurate with the PowerSDR Display "AVG" Mode
>> being
>> enabled.  If "AVG" Mode is off, the displayed panadapter signal amplitude
>> will not decrease as you tune the band.  The displayed signals are
>> real-time
>> with a display frame rate adjustable to 50 frames per second.  Just click
>> the AVG Button off.
>>
>> 73,
>> Frank - W6NEK
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Brett Howard" <[hidden email]>
>> To: "Lyle Johnson" <[hidden email]>
>> Cc: "Elecraft Group" <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 12:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: [FlexEdge] Field Day, Focus and Contest
>> Skins?
>>
>>
>> <SNIP>
>> Many also didn't like the slight lag in turning the knob and seeing
>> the signals.  As you tune the knob on the K3 the signals kinda drop
>> out and you have to stop your QSY then let the signals come up out of
>> the noise again and then dial into it...  I hope that the P3 is a lot
>> faster and the signals stay visible while fast QSYing.  I don't
>> remember being able to do a whole lot of that when I saw it in Seaside
>> but there weren't a lot of signals all over just the 4 that were in
>> the recorder...
>>
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Re: Fwd: [FlexEdge] Field Day, Focus and Contest Skins?

Joe Subich, W4TV-4
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 > 4.       Or in the alternative, use a second computer for the contest
 > logger... really ugly solution...

Not a "really ugly solution" at all ... where else would the user be
stupid enough to try to run their contest software on the radio <doh!>

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV

On 6/28/2010 3:49 PM, Lyle Johnson wrote:

> I think you'll find this interesting.
>
> Lyle
>
> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [FlexEdge] Field Day,
> Focus and Contest Skins? Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 14:18:15 -0500 From:
> Dr. Howard S. White<[hidden email]> To:
> [hidden email]<[hidden email]>
>
>
>
> Ran the Flex 5000 for Field Day with 2 Flex Newbie's who were Very
> Experienced Contest Operators who regularly win major contests.
>
> The issue quickly became the fact that it was difficult to use the
> Flex in a contest environment because the operators had difficulty
> with the focus of the keyboard in search and pounce mode.  This was
> not an issue when we held a frequency as we did not have to touch the
> radio.
>
> On several occasions, they would be typing into N1MM, then changing
> frequencies, forgetting to move the focus back to N1MM so PowerSDR
> abruptly changed the radio frequencies or bands because they typed on
> the wrong  screen...and of course lost the contact....  It became
> highly frustrating in the heat of battle..
>
> I had the mouse set so that by hovering over a program it would shift
> focus but that was not really good enough in the heat of the contest
> where the mouse needs to be hovering over PowerSDR but typing needs
> to be into the Contest logger.
>
> Bottom Line:      They concluded that the Flex was not ready for
> "Prime Time" Contesting.
>
>
> I seem to recall some discussions on program focus on this reflector
> but it is impossible to search this reflector's archives..
>
>
> A Few of Recommendations:
>
>
> 1.       There really needs to be a Contest Skin which removes about
> 90% of the controls that you never use in the contest...they could be
> "set it and forget it" in the main form and hidden during
> contests..... You really only use frequency via mouse wheel, band,
> filters.
>
> 2.       The Contest Skin needs to integrate a contest logging
> program such as N1MM or Writelog into the Skin so that you never have
> to switch programs...ideally the logger should show inside the skin.
>
> 3.       In the alternative, remove the ability of the keyboard to
> interact with PowerSDR during contests and fix its focus onto the
> Contest Logger while fixing the focus of the mouse wheel on frequency
> changing.
>
> 4.       Or in the alternative, use a second computer for the contest
> logger... really ugly solution...
>
> 5.       There needs to be a detailed Knowledge Base Article on Focus
> for contesting.
>
> One other suggestion... move this reflector to a reflector such as
> Yahoo Groups which has a searchable archive...so you won't
> continually have people asking the same questions all the time.
> __________________________________________________________ Howard S.
> White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6  ex-AE6SM  KY6LA Website:
> www.ky6la.com<http://www.ky6la.com/> "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished"
> "Ham Antennas Save Lives - Katrina, 2003&   2007 San Diego Fires,
> 911"
>
> _______________________________________________ Flexedge mailing
> list [hidden email]
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> This is the FlexRadio Systems e-mail Reflector called FlexEdge.  It
> is used for posting topics related to SDR software development and
> experimentalist who are using alpha and beta versions of the
> software.
>
>
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Re: Fwd: [FlexEdge] Field Day, Focus and Contest Skins?

Alan Bloom
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> Many also didn't like the slight lag in turning the knob and seeing
> the signals.  As you tune the knob on the K3 the signals kinda drop
> out and you have to stop your QSY then let the signals come up out of
> the noise again and then dial into it...

That is probably caused by averaging.  I believe that with PowerSDR,
whenever you tune the K3, the old spectrum is still present in the
averaging memory and you have to wait an averaging time constant or two
to see the new spectrum.

> I hope that the P3 is a lot faster and the signals stay visible
> while fast QSYing.

The P3 automatically re-sets averaging (and peak hold) whenever the K3
frequency changes.  So you see an un-averaged signal immediately after
tuning and then the signal smooths out as the averaging memory is
refreshed.  But at least the signal never goes away.

Alan N1AL


On Mon, 2010-06-28 at 12:57 -0700, Brett Howard wrote:

> I should add though that they so loved the ability to click around on
> stations just like they can with their N1MM band map that they usually
> kept causing themselves the problem.  They'd swear off using PowerSDR
> and said I'm just going to leave the focus on N1MM and not worry about
> it anymore but they'd keep seeing something they'd want to go after
> and the point/click ease was just too attractive.  Many also had
> issues with the right click to go between pan mode and point/shoot
> mode.
>
> Many also didn't like the slight lag in turning the knob and seeing
> the signals.  As you tune the knob on the K3 the signals kinda drop
> out and you have to stop your QSY then let the signals come up out of
> the noise again and then dial into it...  I hope that the P3 is a lot
> faster and the signals stay visible while fast QSYing.  I don't
> remember being able to do a whole lot of that when I saw it in Seaside
> but there weren't a lot of signals all over just the 4 that were in
> the recorder...
>
> ~Brett (N7MG)


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Re: Fwd: [FlexEdge] Field Day, Focus and Contest Skins?

Brett Howard
Good show kind sir!  This is exactly what I was thinking of when I was
trying to come up with how it would need to be coded.  

Really looking forward to mine shipping!

~Brett (N7MG)

On Mon, 2010-06-28 at 21:19 -0700, Alan Bloom wrote:

> > Many also didn't like the slight lag in turning the knob and seeing
> > the signals.  As you tune the knob on the K3 the signals kinda drop
> > out and you have to stop your QSY then let the signals come up out of
> > the noise again and then dial into it...
>
> That is probably caused by averaging.  I believe that with PowerSDR,
> whenever you tune the K3, the old spectrum is still present in the
> averaging memory and you have to wait an averaging time constant or two
> to see the new spectrum.
>
> > I hope that the P3 is a lot faster and the signals stay visible
> > while fast QSYing.
>
> The P3 automatically re-sets averaging (and peak hold) whenever the K3
> frequency changes.  So you see an un-averaged signal immediately after
> tuning and then the signal smooths out as the averaging memory is
> refreshed.  But at least the signal never goes away.
>
> Alan N1AL
>
>
> On Mon, 2010-06-28 at 12:57 -0700, Brett Howard wrote:
> > I should add though that they so loved the ability to click around on
> > stations just like they can with their N1MM band map that they usually
> > kept causing themselves the problem.  They'd swear off using PowerSDR
> > and said I'm just going to leave the focus on N1MM and not worry about
> > it anymore but they'd keep seeing something they'd want to go after
> > and the point/click ease was just too attractive.  Many also had
> > issues with the right click to go between pan mode and point/shoot
> > mode.
> >
> > Many also didn't like the slight lag in turning the knob and seeing
> > the signals.  As you tune the knob on the K3 the signals kinda drop
> > out and you have to stop your QSY then let the signals come up out of
> > the noise again and then dial into it...  I hope that the P3 is a lot
> > faster and the signals stay visible while fast QSYing.  I don't
> > remember being able to do a whole lot of that when I saw it in Seaside
> > but there weren't a lot of signals all over just the 4 that were in
> > the recorder...
> >
> > ~Brett (N7MG)
>
>


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