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Dan Atchison

Fwd: K3 Failed DSP Firmware Download

With all the email traffic on the K3 and the microKEYER II / updating
software, I felt compelled to respond.

I have the K3, the P3, and the microKEYER II. For the past two years I
have used the microKEYER II as the transport for upgrading the K3 and
for four months for the P3. I upgrade on every beta. I have not had
one failure in this time frame. Who knows, however, when things might
change?

Now I understand why microHAM says no, but I can tell you that it's all
in setting up the urouter for the upgrade -- you cannot use the same
settings you use with normal CAT.

That said, YMMV. If you want a PDF of the instructions I've created for
others, please respond direct.

73,
Dan -- N3ND
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: Fwd: K3 Failed DSP Firmware Download

Dan,

Please do not distribute instructions that directly contradict the
warning included in the User's Manual for every microHAM product.

While you may have been lucky to avoid a negative outcome, that can't
be guaranteed. Neither microHAM nor microHAM America, LLC (and I doubt
Elecraft) can be responsible for the results of failing to follow the
instructions. I have no doubt that the first time someone turns their
radio or interface into a "brick" by following an unapproved set of
third party instructions they will hold Elecraft and/or microHAM
responsible.

I've used the "work around" to update K3 and/or P3 through MK II and
experienced upload failures. While the failures were recoverable (I
did not "brick" any hardware), the chances of failure - even when done
by an someone who knows the system very well - are simply too great to
encourage uploading new firmware using any procedure or hardware other
than that approved by Elecraft.

73,

... Joe Subich, W4TV
microHAM America, LLC.
http://www.microHAM-USA.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/microHAM

On 2/6/2011 4:52 PM, Dan Atchison wrote:

> With all the email traffic on the K3 and the microKEYER II / updating
> software, I felt compelled to respond.
>
> I have the K3, the P3, and the microKEYER II. For the past two years I
> have used the microKEYER II as the transport for upgrading the K3 and
> for four months for the P3. I upgrade on every beta. I have not had
> one failure in this time frame. Who knows, however, when things might
> change?
>
> Now I understand why microHAM says no, but I can tell you that it's all
> in setting up the urouter for the upgrade -- you cannot use the same
> settings you use with normal CAT.
>
> That said, YMMV. If you want a PDF of the instructions I've created for
> others, please respond direct.
>
> 73,
> Dan -- N3ND
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Stewart Baker

Re: Fwd: K3 Failed DSP Firmware Download

In reply to this post by Dan Atchison

Same here...

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Sun, 06 Feb 2011 16:52:15 -0500, Dan Atchison wrote:

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Guy, K2AV

Re: Fwd: K3 Failed DSP Firmware Download

As long as the Win 7 user does not understand how the OS handles USB
devices, there will always be folks tripping over this opaque procedure in
Windows. The drill is anything but intuitive, but if the user does not
understand it, the use of complex combinations of loggers, data mode
programs, Microham style boxes and USB/serial devices is going to trip up
users, including those trying to upgrade firmware.

This is not at all without sympathy with those who are struggling the first
time around to get it straight in their head. I have been as confused and
lost as anyone. But the tone of voice taken by some toward Elecraft is
unwarranted, in a word, rude, and at best simply uniformed.

This quandary is NOT Elecraft's fault, nor is it Elecraft's responsibility
to jump through hoops every time one of these secondary applications makes a
goof, or the OS puts out yet another flawed automatic OS update that
destroys what was previously working. I am constantly surprised at the
issues not of their own making that they WILL undertake for the sake of
their users. They draw the line far over in generous territory, a fact
which OUGHT to earn them uniform approval. We need to give them room to
refuse those that they deem too expensive or beyond their ability to
maintain.

There is an ancient tale about a child who insisted on biting his mother
while nursing. When the mother decided therefore that it was time to wean
the child, it complained, saying "Now who will I bite when I am upset?"
Some things never change.

73, Guy.

On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 3:35 AM, Stewart <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Same here...
>
> 73
> Stewart G3RXQ
> On Sun, 06 Feb 2011 16:52:15 -0500, Dan Atchison wrote:
> > With all the email traffic on the K3 and the microKEYER II / updating
> > software, I felt compelled to respond.
> >
> > I have the K3, the P3, and the microKEYER II. For the past two years I
> > have used the microKEYER II as the transport for upgrading the K3 and
> > for four months for the P3. I upgrade on every beta. I have not had
> > one failure in this time frame. Who knows, however, when things might
> > change?
> >
> > Now I understand why microHAM says no, but I can tell you that it's all
> > in setting up the urouter for the upgrade -- you cannot use the same
> > settings you use with normal CAT.
> >
> > That said, YMMV. If you want a PDF of the instructions I've created for
> > others, please respond direct.
> >
> > 73,
> > Dan -- N3ND
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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Stewart Baker

Re: Fwd: K3 Failed DSP Firmware Download

Well said !

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 12:02:05 -0500, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:

> As long as the Win 7 user does not understand how the OS handles USB devices, there will always be folks tripping over this opaque procedure in Windows. The drill is anything but intuitive, but if the user does not understand it, the use of complex combinations of loggers, data mode programs, Microham style boxes and USB/serial devices is going to trip up users, including those trying to upgrade firmware.
>
> This is not at all without sympathy with those who are struggling the first time around to get it straight in their head. I have been as confused and lost as anyone. But the tone of voice taken by some toward Elecraft is unwarranted, in a word, rude, and at best simply uniformed.
>
>
> This quandary is NOT Elecraft's fault, nor is it Elecraft's responsibility to jump through hoops every time one of these secondary applications makes a goof, or the OS puts out yet another flawed automatic OS update that destroys what was previously working. I am constantly surprised at the issues not of their own making that they WILL undertake for the sake of their users. They draw the line far over in generous territory, a fact which OUGHT to earn them uniform approval. We need to give them room to refuse those that they deem too expensive or beyond their ability to maintain.
>
>
> There is an ancient tale about a child who insisted on biting his mother while nursing. When the mother decided therefore that it was time to wean the child, it complained, saying "Now who will I bite when I am upset?" Some things never change.
>
>
> 73, Guy.
>
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 3:35 AM, Stewart <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Same here...
>
> 73
> Stewart G3RXQ
> On Sun, 06 Feb 2011 16:52:15 -0500, Dan Atchison wrote:
>> With all the email traffic on the K3 and the microKEYER II / updating
>> software, I felt compelled to respond.
>>
>> I have the K3, the P3, and the microKEYER II. For the past two years I
>> have used the microKEYER II as the transport for upgrading the K3 and
>> for four months for the P3. I upgrade on every beta. I have not had
>> one failure in this time frame. Who knows, however, when things might
>> change?
>>
>> Now I understand why microHAM says no, but I can tell you that it's all
>> in setting up the urouter for the upgrade -- you cannot use the same
>> settings you use with normal CAT.
>>
>> That said, YMMV. If you want a PDF of the instructions I've created for
>> others, please respond direct.
>>
>> 73,
>> Dan -- N3ND
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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>
>
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