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Stefan von Baltz, DL1IAO

Genovation keypad & K3/K3S

Taking the P3 discussion one step further:
Based on the positive experience of other K3/K3S users I have ordered a Genovation CP24 keypad to implement band buttons and change AGC settings on the fly. Now, as I understand the P3 cannot handle more than one USB device and if Elecraft ever adds mouse support to the P3 the Genovation keypad cannot be used at the same time.

Has someone succeeded to connect the Genovation or another keypad directly to the K3/K3S instead of the K-Pod?
If not, is there a chance this functionality can be added?

Maybe something like a A/B USB-switch to choose between a mouse or keypad in junction with the P3 could be a solution.

73,

Stefan DL1IAO, SA3CWW/SM9A

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Re: Genovation keypad & K3/K3S

Here is a complete how to, with software, and macro list:

https://www.nk7z.net/adding-external-keypad-k3/

I will be interested to see if a hub can be implemented.

73s and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z/NNR0DC)
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ARRL Technical Specialist

On 07/29/2018 07:09 AM, Stefan von Baltz, DL1IAO wrote:

> Taking the P3 discussion one step further:
> Based on the positive experience of other K3/K3S users I have ordered a Genovation CP24 keypad to implement band buttons and change AGC settings on the fly. Now, as I understand the P3 cannot handle more than one USB device and if Elecraft ever adds mouse support to the P3 the Genovation keypad cannot be used at the same time.
>
> Has someone succeeded to connect the Genovation or another keypad directly to the K3/K3S instead of the K-Pod?
> If not, is there a chance this functionality can be added?
>
> Maybe something like a A/B USB-switch to choose between a mouse or keypad in junction with the P3 could be a solution.
>
>
> 73,
>
> Stefan DL1IAO, SA3CWW/SM9A
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NK7Z

Re: Genovation keypad & K3/K3S

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Sorry,
Mis read your question, my date connects to the P3, not the K3.

73s and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z/NNR0DC)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Technical Specialist

On 07/29/2018 07:09 AM, Stefan von Baltz, DL1IAO wrote:

ke9uw

Re: Genovation keypad & K3/K3S

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So I've been looking at the these keyboards on the sites.

I find the CP48 USB UHID and the CP48 USB VS and the CP48 DB9S
So the one I want is the CP48 UHID one?
Just to be sure...

Thanks,
Chuck
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Amateur Radio, KE9UW
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Genovation keypad & K3/K3S

Here is a complete how to, with software, and macro list:

https://www.nk7z.net/adding-external-keypad-k3/

I will be interested to see if a hub can be implemented.

73s and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z/NNR0DC)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Technical Specialist

On 07/29/2018 07:09 AM, Stefan von Baltz, DL1IAO wrote:

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NK7Z

Re: Genovation keypad & K3/K3S

Hello Chuck,

If you are referring to the keypad I used in making the 48 key macro
launcher, I used the CP48 USBHID, as described in line 4 of the page
located at:

https://www.nk7z.net/adding-external-keypad-k3/

There is a link to the device on that page as well. Remember, this
plugs into the P3/SVGA, not the K3 as you originally asked.

The only difference I see today, is the current version is version 2.0,
while I used version 1.1. I suspect this is just a software change,
which will make no matter if so. I have the keypad image to update the
keypad which makes it P3 compatible on my site as well.

You will need to have the P3/SVGA to make this work.

73s and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z/NNR0DC)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Technical Specialist

On 07/29/2018 02:54 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:

> So I've been looking at the these keyboards on the sites.
>
> I find the CP48 USB UHID and the CP48 USB VS and the CP48 DB9S
> So the one I want is the CP48 UHID one?
> Just to be sure...
>
> Thanks,
> Chuck
> [hidden email]
> Amateur Radio, KE9UW
> ________________________________________
> From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] on behalf of Dave Cole (NK7Z) [[hidden email]]
> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2018 10:23 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Genovation keypad & K3/K3S
>
> Here is a complete how to, with software, and macro list:
>
> https://www.nk7z.net/adding-external-keypad-k3/
>
> I will be interested to see if a hub can be implemented.
>
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z/NNR0DC)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Technical Specialist
>
> On 07/29/2018 07:09 AM, Stefan von Baltz, DL1IAO wrote:
>> Taking the P3 discussion one step further:
>> Based on the positive experience of other K3/K3S users I have ordered a Genovation CP24 keypad to implement band buttons and change AGC settings on the fly. Now, as I understand the P3 cannot handle more than one USB device and if Elecraft ever adds mouse support to the P3 the Genovation keypad cannot be used at the same time.
>>
>> Has someone succeeded to connect the Genovation or another keypad directly to the K3/K3S instead of the K-Pod?
>> If not, is there a chance this functionality can be added?
>>
>> Maybe something like a A/B USB-switch to choose between a mouse or keypad in junction with the P3 could be a solution.
>>
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Stefan DL1IAO, SA3CWW/SM9A
>>
>>
>> --
>> Stefan v. Baltz
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>> http://www.dl1iao.com
>>
>>
>>
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Stefan von Baltz, DL1IAO

Summary: Genovation keypad & K3/K3S

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I did get one reply on this topic. Dave NK7Z has already documented nicely on his website how to connect a Genovation keypad to the P3. The question was how to connect it directly to the K3/K3S, if possible at all, in order to free the P3’s USB-port.

A pre-Genovation "button box" was hooked up to the K3’s RS232 port. It uses its internal memory to store the macros and not the available K3 macros. In order to be able to get the K3 to recognize and share several RS232 ports LP-BRIDGE is used to create several virtual serial ports. CAT on one of the virtual serial ports and the "button box" to another. One has to bridge the real "button box" to another of the LPBRIDGE created virtual ports, e.g. with a software called VSPE.

It will be up to experimentation if a Genovation keypad can be connected in a similar way. The difference is that the internal K3/K3S memories have to be used.

73,

Stefan DL1IAO, SA3CWW/SM9A

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NK7Z

Re: Summary: Genovation keypad & K3/K3S

Hello Stefan,
I remember running into some roadblock in doing this, but I don't
remember what it was now... I initially wanted to connect directly to
the K3 as well. I think it was if you had a P3 SVGA, it worked better.
If you get things running on just the K3 send me the info, and I'll add
it to the web page at:

https://www.nk7z.net/adding-external-keypad-k3/

as an addendum to the Genovation page, of course giving you credit for
the work.

73s and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z/NNR0DC)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Technical Specialist

On 08/14/2018 03:06 AM, Stefan von Baltz, DL1IAO wrote:

> I did get one reply on this topic. Dave NK7Z has already documented nicely on his website how to connect a Genovation keypad to the P3. The question was how to connect it directly to the K3/K3S, if possible at all, in order to free the P3’s USB-port.
>
> A pre-Genovation "button box" was hooked up to the K3’s RS232 port. It uses its internal memory to store the macros and not the available K3 macros. In order to be able to get the K3 to recognize and share several RS232 ports LP-BRIDGE is used to create several virtual serial ports. CAT on one of the virtual serial ports and the "button box" to another. One has to bridge the real "button box" to another of the LPBRIDGE created virtual ports, e.g. with a software called VSPE.
>
> It will be up to experimentation if a Genovation keypad can be connected in a similar way. The difference is that the internal K3/K3S memories have to be used.
>
>
> 73,
>
> Stefan DL1IAO, SA3CWW/SM9A
>
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