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Ian Stirling, G4ICV, AB2GR

Hakko 936?

Hi guys,

My Hakko 936 with several T-1 for surface mounted tiny
components arrived today. It is not warm yet.
I have been using an Antex 15 Watt iron since 1971, and
I built my K2 #4962 with it. Now, variable temperature is,
well, a variable that I have never had to consider.
So, my questions:
What temperature do you set with 60/40 solder on such as
a K2, and perhaps a different temperature when soldering
an AD9851?

73,
Ian, G4ICV, AB2GR, K2 #4962, LP-100 #278
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ac0h

Re: Hakko 936?

Ian Stirling wrote:

When I built K2/100 #4684 I had my 936 set at 700 most of the time.
I'd bump it up to 750, maybe 800 on rare occasions but I did 90% of the
radio at 700.

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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: Hakko 936?

In reply to this post by Ian Stirling, G4ICV, AB2GR

Ian,

You have already received some starting point temperatures.
There are no really hard and fast rules - watch the solder connections
for a while, especially watch to see how long it takes for the solder to
flow out smoothly onto the solder pad. If that time is longer than 3
seconds, increase the heat a bit, but if it is less than 2 seconds,
reduce the heat.
Different boards will require different temperatures - those with small
traces will need less heat, but those with large traces and an extensive
ground plane (like the KPA100) require more.

When working with thru-plated boards, strive to produce a tiny fillet of
solder that has a concave surface. If the solder surface is convex, all
the solder may be stuck to the component lead and the solder pad did not
receive enough heat (besides that, too much solder is already applied).

The soldering tutorial on the Builder's Resource page at the Elecraft
website has a lot of good information that you may want to review.

SMD soldering usually does not require as much heat as lead thru hole
construction, but the principle is the same - watch for the solder to
flow and keep that time short.

73,
Don W3FPR

Ian Stirling wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> My Hakko 936 with several T-1 for surface mounted tiny
> components arrived today. It is not warm yet.
> I have been using an Antex 15 Watt iron since 1971, and
> I built my K2 #4962 with it. Now, variable temperature is,
> well, a variable that I have never had to consider.
> So, my questions:
> What temperature do you set with 60/40 solder on such as
> a K2, and perhaps a different temperature when soldering
> an AD9851?
>
> 73,
> Ian, G4ICV, AB2GR, K2 #4962, LP-100 #278
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Brett gazdzinski-2

RE: Hakko 936?

So true.
I have no idea how calibrated my station is, I ran around
650 to 700 degrees F, where the solder melted correctly.
That is the big thing, the solder melts and flows at the correct rate.

To slow and you damage parts from holding the heat on too long,
even though its a lower temp. You can also get cold joints.

To hot and you damage things.

I turn it up to strip toroid wires and for big parts or big
solder pads, I turn it down for little parts.

I figure all parts have some thermal mass, so I try to keep the
soldering as quick as possible without excessive heat.
The average soldering time for resistors and small caps, ic chip
pins, was under 1 second I think.

I let toroid wires cook a bit....they wont be hurt by heat.

I built the K2, the antenna tuner, the 100 watt amp, all very
quickly, without a single solder problem.

One trick I did do with the toroids was to NOT cut off the
excess wire, but ran it along the trace to the next solder pad
and also solder it there.

More connection spots, plus extra wire if needed in the future.
Since the wire runs over the trace on the board, it causes no
problems...

Brett
N2DTS

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 9:04 AM
> To: Ian Stirling
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Hakko 936?
>
> Ian,
>
> You have already received some starting point temperatures.
> There are no really hard and fast rules - watch the solder
> connections
> for a while, especially watch to see how long it takes for
> the solder to
> flow out smoothly onto the solder pad. If that time is longer than 3
> seconds, increase the heat a bit, but if it is less than 2 seconds,
> reduce the heat.
> Different boards will require different temperatures - those
> with small
> traces will need less heat, but those with large traces and
> an extensive
> ground plane (like the KPA100) require more.
>
> When working with thru-plated boards, strive to produce a
> tiny fillet of
> solder that has a concave surface. If the solder surface is
> convex, all
> the solder may be stuck to the component lead and the solder
> pad did not
> receive enough heat (besides that, too much solder is already
> applied).
>
> The soldering tutorial on the Builder's Resource page at the Elecraft
> website has a lot of good information that you may want to review.
>
> SMD soldering usually does not require as much heat as lead thru hole
> construction, but the principle is the same - watch for the solder to
> flow and keep that time short.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> Ian Stirling wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > My Hakko 936 with several T-1 for surface mounted tiny
> > components arrived today. It is not warm yet.
> > I have been using an Antex 15 Watt iron since 1971, and
> > I built my K2 #4962 with it. Now, variable temperature is,
> > well, a variable that I have never had to consider.
> > So, my questions:
> > What temperature do you set with 60/40 solder on such as
> > a K2, and perhaps a different temperature when soldering
> > an AD9851?
> >
> > 73,
> > Ian, G4ICV, AB2GR, K2 #4962, LP-100 #278
> > --
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