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K8TE

Re: Handedness

GM Bill,

K3_EZ, Win4K3, and I believe N4PY's software allows adjustment of a variety
of the K3's parameters from your PC. Of course, using macros is another
means by which you can change K3 parameters. While not the favorite means
for many, I find using my PC and appropriate programs often a great way to
operate my K3's (plural).

That isn't to say I don't use the front panel controls. I just don't use
most very often. A friend purchased and then sold a K3 in spite of my
encouragement. While being an Elecraft fan boy as a friend at the Prescott
Hamfest described me this weekend, I find the K3 front panel and menu system
"elegant" and the K4's even more elegant. I can't wait to operate the
latter when it arrives in NM! Maybe Wayne or Eric will have mine in Plano
next weekend (hint, hint)?

Not everyone is as enthusiastic about the K3 as I. While I am amazed they
are not, I still call many of them my friends. They're just the "other"
friends who don't own and use Elecraft gear. Of course, one old friend who
owns an IC-7610 enjoys my bring the KPA1500 to his shack for contesting
weekends. Linked together, that combination is a perfect demonstration of
the value in using effective station integration. I use his normal station
as an example of why station integration is a requirement (in my mind) in a
contest at 2:00 a.m.

73 from Yavapai Campground in the Prescott National Forrest, Bill, K8TE

P.S. at 73 and somewhat arthritic, after two weeks of RV travel to and from
HamVention, activating counties and parks along the way, I was directed to
leave the HF at home for this long weekend. I need to setup my home station
to operate remotely to avoid HF withdrawal. However, looking at the WX
reports (thunderstorms), I am glad everything electronic is disconnected
from the outside world at the K8TE Command Post.

> I?m 76 years old with moderate loss of feeling in fingertips and a
> lot of arthritis so adjusting the gains on my K3S is difficult. Maybe
> there will be a "slider" on my K4 panel.

--
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Drew AF2Z

Re: Handedness

I hope we may be able to operate the K4 by keyboard without need of a PC
& software.

73,
Drew
AF2Z

On 06/02/19 13:00, K8TE wrote:

> GM Bill,
>
> K3_EZ, Win4K3, and I believe N4PY's software allows adjustment of a variety
> of the K3's parameters from your PC. Of course, using macros is another
> means by which you can change K3 parameters. While not the favorite means
> for many, I find using my PC and appropriate programs often a great way to
> operate my K3's (plural).
>
> That isn't to say I don't use the front panel controls. I just don't use
> most very often. A friend purchased and then sold a K3 in spite of my
> encouragement. While being an Elecraft fan boy as a friend at the Prescott
> Hamfest described me this weekend, I find the K3 front panel and menu system
> "elegant" and the K4's even more elegant. I can't wait to operate the
> latter when it arrives in NM! Maybe Wayne or Eric will have mine in Plano
> next weekend (hint, hint)?
>
> Not everyone is as enthusiastic about the K3 as I. While I am amazed they
> are not, I still call many of them my friends. They're just the "other"
> friends who don't own and use Elecraft gear. Of course, one old friend who
> owns an IC-7610 enjoys my bring the KPA1500 to his shack for contesting
> weekends. Linked together, that combination is a perfect demonstration of
> the value in using effective station integration. I use his normal station
> as an example of why station integration is a requirement (in my mind) in a
> contest at 2:00 a.m.
>
> 73 from Yavapai Campground in the Prescott National Forrest, Bill, K8TE
>
> P.S. at 73 and somewhat arthritic, after two weeks of RV travel to and from
> HamVention, activating counties and parks along the way, I was directed to
> leave the HF at home for this long weekend. I need to setup my home station
> to operate remotely to avoid HF withdrawal. However, looking at the WX
> reports (thunderstorms), I am glad everything electronic is disconnected
> from the outside world at the K8TE Command Post.
>
>> I?m 76 years old with moderate loss of feeling in fingertips and a
>> lot of arthritis so adjusting the gains on my K3S is difficult. Maybe
>> there will be a "slider" on my K4 panel.
>
>
>
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wayne burdick

Re: Handedness

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Hi Drew,

You'll be able to connect a keyboard (wired or wireless) directly to any of the K4's USB-A jacks for direct control, or in conjunction with the rig's built-in data modes.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

> On Jun 2, 2019, at 10:25 AM, Drew AF2Z <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I hope we may be able to operate the K4 by keyboard without need of a PC & software.
>
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
>
>
>
> On 06/02/19 13:00, K8TE wrote:
>> GM Bill,
>> K3_EZ, Win4K3, and I believe N4PY's software allows adjustment of a variety
>> of the K3's parameters from your PC. Of course, using macros is another
>> means by which you can change K3 parameters. While not the favorite means
>> for many, I find using my PC and appropriate programs often a great way to
>> operate my K3's (plural).
>> That isn't to say I don't use the front panel controls. I just don't use
>> most very often. A friend purchased and then sold a K3 in spite of my
>> encouragement. While being an Elecraft fan boy as a friend at the Prescott
>> Hamfest described me this weekend, I find the K3 front panel and menu system
>> "elegant" and the K4's even more elegant. I can't wait to operate the
>> latter when it arrives in NM! Maybe Wayne or Eric will have mine in Plano
>> next weekend (hint, hint)?
>> Not everyone is as enthusiastic about the K3 as I. While I am amazed they
>> are not, I still call many of them my friends. They're just the "other"
>> friends who don't own and use Elecraft gear. Of course, one old friend who
>> owns an IC-7610 enjoys my bring the KPA1500 to his shack for contesting
>> weekends. Linked together, that combination is a perfect demonstration of
>> the value in using effective station integration. I use his normal station
>> as an example of why station integration is a requirement (in my mind) in a
>> contest at 2:00 a.m.
>> 73 from Yavapai Campground in the Prescott National Forrest, Bill, K8TE
>> P.S. at 73 and somewhat arthritic, after two weeks of RV travel to and from
>> HamVention, activating counties and parks along the way, I was directed to
>> leave the HF at home for this long weekend. I need to setup my home station
>> to operate remotely to avoid HF withdrawal. However, looking at the WX
>> reports (thunderstorms), I am glad everything electronic is disconnected
>> from the outside world at the K8TE Command Post.
>>> I?m 76 years old with moderate loss of feeling in fingertips and a
>>> lot of arthritis so adjusting the gains on my K3S is difficult. Maybe
>>> there will be a "slider" on my K4 panel.
>> --
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Dave New, N8SBE

Re: Handedness

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Yes, but can you have a dynamic mic plugged into one and an electret mic
plugged in the other?

The K3/K3S has never supported this, and to this day, annoys the heck
out of me, since I have a Heil HC-4 headset (which is dynamic and
plugged in the rear connector) and an Elecraft hand mic (which is
Electret).

I have to go digging through the menus to turn the bias on/off every
time I want to switch mics. On the plus side, mic HI/LOW gain is
separate for front/rear connectors, but NOT the bias setting.

Hopefully, this has been fixed for the K4. Separate TX equalizer curves
should be also be supported, as well, along with mic gain, compression,
etc.

73,

-- Dave, N8SBE

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Handedness
From: Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]>
Date: Sun, June 02, 2019 11:47 am
To: Nr4c <[hidden email]>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>, w7aqk <[hidden email]>

Yes. You can have phones and mics plugged in both front/rear at the same
time.

Wayne

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Rick WA6NHC-2

Re: Handedness

On 6/3/2019 11:32 AM, Dave New, N8SBE wrote:
> Yes, but can you have a dynamic mic plugged into one and an electret mic
> plugged in the other?

Yes! Or at least enough to accomplish what you're seeking.

I have the Yamaha CM500 (required bias on) plugged in the rear and the
Kenwood (MC-60, no bias) desk mic plugged into the front.

I simply switch to the mic desired in the menu, which could also be done
via macro. The K3 remembers which needs bias or not, once set.

> The K3/K3S has never supported this, and to this day, annoys the heck
> out of me, since I have a Heil HC-4 headset (which is dynamic and
> plugged in the rear connector) and an Elecraft hand mic (which is
> Electret).
>
> I have to go digging through the menus to turn the bias on/off every
> time I want to switch mics. On the plus side, mic HI/LOW gain is
> separate for front/rear connectors, but NOT the bias setting.
>
> Hopefully, this has been fixed for the K4. Separate TX equalizer curves
> should be also be supported, as well, along with mic gain, compression,
> etc.
>
> 73,
>
> --

Rick NHC
> Dave, N8SBE
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Dave New, N8SBE

Re: Handedness

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My mistake, then. I moved recently from a K3 to a K3S, and must have
missed this change in the manual.

I'll check that out.

Thanks for the info, and sorry to have come across so strong on the
list.

73,

-- Dave, N8SBE

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Handedness
From: Michael Blake <[hidden email]>
Date: Mon, June 03, 2019 2:45 pm
To: "Dave New, N8SBE" <[hidden email]>

The K3s does support independent selection of the Bias on/off for the
front and rear mics. I have an electret headset plugged into the rear
and an EV dynamic plugged into the front. The bias selection remembers
the on/off option selected for each mic jack.
Mike - k9JRI

On Jun 3, 2019, at 2:32 PM, Dave New, N8SBE <[hidden email]> wrote:

Yes, but can you have a dynamic mic plugged into one and an electret mic
plugged in the other?

The K3/K3S has never supported this, and to this day, annoys the heck
out of me, since I have a Heil HC-4 headset (which is dynamic and
plugged in the rear connector) and an Elecraft hand mic (which is
Electret).

I have to go digging through the menus to turn the bias on/off every
time I want to switch mics. On the plus side, mic HI/LOW gain is
separate for front/rear connectors, but NOT the bias setting.

Hopefully, this has been fixed for the K4. Separate TX equalizer curves
should be also be supported, as well, along with mic gain, compression,
etc.

73,

-- Dave, N8SBE

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Handedness
From: Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]>
Date: Sun, June 02, 2019 11:47 am
To: Nr4c <[hidden email]>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>, w7aqk <[hidden email]>

Yes. You can have phones and mics plugged in both front/rear at the same
time.

Wayne

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Grant Youngman-2

Re: Handedness

There actually should be NO difference between the K3 and K3S in this regard ….

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342

> On Jun 3, 2019, at 2:55 PM, Dave New, N8SBE <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> My mistake, then. I moved recently from a K3 to a K3S, and must have
> missed this change in the manual.
>
> I'll check that out.
>
> Thanks for the info, and sorry to have come across so strong on the
> list.
>
> 73,
>
> -- Dave, N8SBE
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Handedness
> From: Michael Blake <[hidden email]>
> Date: Mon, June 03, 2019 2:45 pm
> To: "Dave New, N8SBE" <[hidden email]>
>
> The K3s does support independent selection of the Bias on/off for the
> front and rear mics. I have an electret headset plugged into the rear
> and an EV dynamic plugged into the front. The bias selection remembers
> the on/off option selected for each mic jack.
> Mike - k9JRI

Bob McGraw - K4TAX

Re: Handedness

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I use PF1 to switch between front mike input, no bias, and rear mike
input with bias.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 6/3/2019 1:53 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote:

>
> On 6/3/2019 11:32 AM, Dave New, N8SBE wrote:
>> Yes, but can you have a dynamic mic plugged into one and an electret mic
>> plugged in the other?
>
>
> Yes! Or at least enough to accomplish what you're seeking.
>
> I have the Yamaha CM500 (required bias on) plugged in the rear and the
> Kenwood (MC-60, no bias) desk mic plugged into the front.
>
> I simply switch to the mic desired in the menu, which could also be
> done via macro. The K3 remembers which needs bias or not, once set.
>
>
>> The K3/K3S has never supported this, and to this day, annoys the heck
>> out of me, since I have a Heil HC-4 headset (which is dynamic and
>> plugged in the rear connector) and an Elecraft hand mic (which is
>> Electret).
>>
>> I have to go digging through the menus to turn the bias on/off every
>> time I want to switch mics. On the plus side, mic HI/LOW gain is
>> separate for front/rear connectors, but NOT the bias setting.
>>
>> Hopefully, this has been fixed for the K4. Separate TX equalizer curves
>> should be also be supported, as well, along with mic gain, compression,
>> etc.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> --
> Rick NHC
>> Dave, N8SBE
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Dave New, N8SBE

Re: Handedness

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Shouldn't need to tie up a PF for this feature. The K3 should be able
to remember the setting on a per jack basis.

73,

-- Dave, N8SBE

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Handedness
From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]>
Date: Mon, June 03, 2019 3:51 pm
To: [hidden email]

I use PF1 to switch between front mike input, no bias, and rear mike
input with bias.

73

Bob, K4TAX

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Don Wilhelm

Re: Handedness

Dave,

It does remember the settings on a per jack basis - at least mine does.
You just change the MIC SEL menu from front to rear when switching. The
gain and bias settings should remain the same.

Some hams don't like to explicitly enter the menu, but prefer to assign
it to a PF key.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/3/2019 4:38 PM, Dave New, N8SBE wrote:
> Shouldn't need to tie up a PF for this feature. The K3 should be able
> to remember the setting on a per jack basis.
>
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Nr4c

Re: Handedness

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I use macros on pf1 and pf2 to do this. Also on KPOD.

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill

> On Jun 3, 2019, at 2:32 PM, Dave New, N8SBE <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Yes, but can you have a dynamic mic plugged into one and an electret mic
> plugged in the other?
>
> The K3/K3S has never supported this, and to this day, annoys the heck
> out of me, since I have a Heil HC-4 headset (which is dynamic and
> plugged in the rear connector) and an Elecraft hand mic (which is
> Electret).
>
> I have to go digging through the menus to turn the bias on/off every
> time I want to switch mics. On the plus side, mic HI/LOW gain is
> separate for front/rear connectors, but NOT the bias setting.
>
> Hopefully, this has been fixed for the K4. Separate TX equalizer curves
> should be also be supported, as well, along with mic gain, compression,
> etc.
>
> 73,
>
> -- Dave, N8SBE
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Handedness
> From: Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]>
> Date: Sun, June 02, 2019 11:47 am
> To: Nr4c <[hidden email]>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>, w7aqk <[hidden email]>
>
> Yes. You can have phones and mics plugged in both front/rear at the same
> time.
>
> Wayne
>
>
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