Heil Proset KX3 Element?
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Carl,
Are you sure you have the the menus set correctly? For the Heil Pro Set (“IC” model) MIC BIAS should be “on” and MIC BTN should be “off”. I have one of those Heil Pro Set (IC) models, but haven’t tried it, or my Yamaha CM500, on the KX3. I use the MH3. The manual suggests that you can just plug the standard 3 ring “mini” plug into the jack and it will work, but you do need to set the bias. It just sounds like you might not be getting proper bias. If you have a “computer” headset around you might try that. Most of those are electrets. I just wonder if the plug is “seating” properly so that everything is making proper contact. I’d be tempted to make up a 3 ring mini to 4 ring mini pigtail. I’ve read that some of the 3 ring mini plugs tend to vary slightly in actual size. If that’s true, they might not seat properly into a 4 ring jack. Dave W7AQK ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Compresdion at 25 seems high compared to my setup. I use 17 on mine which gives 10 db according to the display. How many db is 25 with your setup i am curious as i have the same mic.
Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S®4. <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Mark Forsyth <[hidden email]> </div><div>Date:12/27/2014 1:26 AM (GMT-06:00) </div><div>To: 'Carl Jón Denbow' <[hidden email]>,[hidden email] </div><div>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element? </div><div> </div>G'day Carl, If you get aggressive with TX EQ you can make the Heil iC element sound pretty good. If you can get someone who knows your voice to listen while you make adjustments you should be able to come up with settings that suit your voice. I started out with the settings outlined on the Heil All things Elecraft page - it's at http://www.heilsound.com/amateur/dsp-settings/125-all-things-elecraft and with the help of another operator finally came up with the following :- -16, -16, -06, +00, +06, +12, +12 and +09 for TXEQ. Compression is at 25 and mic gain is high enough to have the fifth, and occasionally the sixth, ALC bar flickering. With those settings I often get unsolicited reports of very good audio. Cheers, Mark F... VK3ZMF / VK3KW KX3 with the lot # 1675 KXPA100 # 530 PX3 # 233 > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Carl > Jón Denbow > Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2014 11:03 AM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element? > > I have a Heil Proset with the ic element. I get fairly lack luster audio reports. > What would be the best replacement element to use? I assume that it's a > fairly simple operation to replace the ic element with another one. It looks > like there are just two phillips screws holding on the cover of the element > box at the end of the boom. > > Any and all ideas, experiences, etc., appreciated. > > 73, > Carl > > ================================================= > Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ > 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 > > [hidden email] > www.n8vz.com > EM89wh > IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 > PSK and JT65 Forever! > ================================================= > __________________________________________________________ > ____ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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The next segment after the "10" on the CMP scale occasionally flashes.
Cheers, Mark F... VK3ZMF / VK3KW KX3 with the lot # 1675 KXPA100 # 530 PX3 # 233 > -----Original Message----- > From: Kd8nnu [mailto:[hidden email]] > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2014 12:35 AM > To: [hidden email]; 'Carl Jón Denbow'; [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element? > > Compresdion at 25 seems high compared to my setup. I use 17 on mine > which gives 10 db according to the display. How many db is 25 with your > setup i am curious as i have the same mic. > > > > Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S®4. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Mark Forsyth > Date:12/27/2014 1:26 AM (GMT-06:00) > To: 'Carl Jón Denbow' ,[hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element? > > G'day Carl, > > If you get aggressive with TX EQ you can make the Heil iC element sound > pretty good. If you can get someone who knows your voice to listen while > you make adjustments you should be able to come up with settings that suit > your voice. > > I started out with the settings outlined on the Heil All things Elecraft page - > it's at http://www.heilsound.com/amateur/dsp-settings/125-all-things- > elecraft and with the help of another operator finally came up with the > following :- > > -16, -16, -06, +00, +06, +12, +12 and +09 for TXEQ. > Compression is at 25 and mic gain is high enough to have the fifth, and > occasionally the sixth, ALC bar flickering. > > With those settings I often get unsolicited reports of very good audio. > > Cheers, > Mark F... > VK3ZMF / VK3KW > KX3 with the lot # 1675 > KXPA100 # 530 > PX3 # 233 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of > > Carl Jón Denbow > > Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2014 11:03 AM > > To: [hidden email] > > Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element? > > > > I have a Heil Proset with the ic element. I get fairly lack luster > > audio > reports. > > What would be the best replacement element to use? I assume that it's > > a fairly simple operation to replace the ic element with another one. > > It > looks > > like there are just two phillips screws holding on the cover of the > element > > box at the end of the boom. > > > > Any and all ideas, experiences, etc., appreciated. > > > > 73, > > Carl > > > > ================================================= > > Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ > > 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 > > > > [hidden email] > > www.n8vz.com > > EM89wh > > IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 > > PSK and JT65 Forever! > > ================================================= > > > __________________________________________________________ > > ____ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > > delivered to [hidden email] > > __________________________________________________________ > ____ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Dave, et al:
Thanks for all the fine comments and feedback I've received both on the message board and by direct email message. I do have the MIC BIAS "on' and the MIC BTN "off." Another person suggested that I adjust the TX EQ, which I have done, basically boosting 2.4 KHz and above by 4db and rolling off 200Hz and below by 4db. After making these adjustments, I've been told by a local ham who had heard the previous settings that my audio quality was improved; however, he quickly added the the Elecraft MH3 mic still sounded better even before the EQ adjustments. I'm not exactly sure what to make of this, since the Heil headset is, obviously, a much more expensive piece of equipment. However, it's possible that making the conversion pigtail that you suggested might cure the problem. I do have a Yamaha CM500 on order. It'll be interesting to compare reports once that arrives. 73, Carl dyarnes wrote: > Carl, > > Are you sure you have the the menus set correctly? For the Heil Pro Set (“IC” model) MIC BIAS should be “on” and MIC BTN should be “off”. I have one of those Heil Pro Set (IC) models, but haven’t tried it, or my Yamaha CM500, on the KX3. I use the MH3. The manual suggests that you can just plug the standard 3 ring “mini” plug into the jack and it will work, but you do need to set the bias. It just sounds like you might not be getting proper bias. > > If you have a “computer” headset around you might try that. Most of those are electrets. I just wonder if the plug is “seating” properly so that everything is making proper contact. I’d be tempted to make up a 3 ring mini to 4 ring mini pigtail. I’ve read that some of the 3 ring mini plugs tend to vary slightly in actual size. If that’s true, they might not seat properly into a 4 ring jack. > > Dave W7AQK > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] -- ================================================= Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 [hidden email] www.n8vz.com EM89wh IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 PSK and JT65 Forever! ================================================= ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Hi Carl,
It's a common mistake to believe that the more expensive Heil should sound better than less expensive alternatives. I think you will be very pleasantly surprised with on-air comparisons to the CM500. 73, Mike K2MK
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As most know, this has been well discussed in must about every radio forum
out there. Mics are a personal preference and there are 2 camps in tailoring of mic audio. Those that want to ensure their audio gets through when conditions aren't the best (Let's just call it the Heil camp based on his studies of what the Ear hears thanks to the Bell Labs). If you are QRP, you may want to consider this path. The other is the more of the FM shaping, and that is the why you local neighbour liked that sound so much. This is more of the rag chewing group. Neither is wrong. Like I said, it is a personal preference. If you have haven't already, listen to this pod cast with Bob Heil. At some point in the podcast Bob does discuss how he modeled his SSB Mics based on the Bell Lab studies. It is worth the listen. http://twit.tv/show/triangulation/8 It is also really helpful if you can actually hear your transmitted audio. The flex guys can do this with a push of a button (record off air audio and play it back). I'm sure there are other radios that do that as well. Mike va3mw On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Mike K2MK <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hi Carl, > > It's a common mistake to believe that the more expensive Heil should sound > better than less expensive alternatives. I think you will be very > pleasantly > surprised with on-air comparisons to the CM500. > > 73, > Mike K2MK > > > Carl Jón Denbow wrote > > Dave, et al: > > > > Thanks for all the fine comments and feedback I've received both on the > > message board and by direct email message. I do have the MIC BIAS "on' > > and the MIC BTN "off." Another person suggested that I adjust the TX > > EQ, which I have done, basically boosting 2.4 KHz and above by 4db and > > rolling off 200Hz and below by 4db. After making these adjustments, > > I've been told by a local ham who had heard the previous settings that > > my audio quality was improved; however, he quickly added the the > > Elecraft MH3 mic still sounded better even before the EQ adjustments. > > I'm not exactly sure what to make of this, since the Heil headset is, > > obviously, a much more expensive piece of equipment. However, it's > > possible that making the conversion pigtail that you suggested might > > cure the problem. > > > > I do have a Yamaha CM500 on order. It'll be interesting to compare > > reports once that arrives. > > > > 73, > > Carl > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Heil-Proset-KX3-Element-tp7596431p7596468.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Carl,
Take note that Heil does not offer an adapter to use its microphones with the KX3. Need I say more? 73, Don W3FPR On 12/28/2014 5:40 PM, Carl Jón Denbow wrote: > Dave, et al: > > Thanks for all the fine comments and feedback I've received both on > the message board and by direct email message. I do have the MIC BIAS > "on' and the MIC BTN "off." Another person suggested that I adjust > the TX EQ, which I have done, basically boosting 2.4 KHz and above by > 4db and rolling off 200Hz and below by 4db. After making these > adjustments, I've been told by a local ham who had heard the previous > settings that my audio quality was improved; however, he quickly added > the the Elecraft MH3 mic still sounded better even before the EQ > adjustments. I'm not exactly sure what to make of this, since the > Heil headset is, obviously, a much more expensive piece of > equipment. However, it's possible that making the conversion pigtail > that you suggested might cure the problem. > > I do have a Yamaha CM500 on order. It'll be interesting to compare > reports once that arrives. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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That is because you don't need one.
http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740174%20Proset%20for%20the%20KX3%20Rev%20A.pdf Mike va3mw On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote: > Carl, > > Take note that Heil does not offer an adapter to use its microphones with > the KX3. > Need I say more? > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/28/2014 5:40 PM, Carl Jón Denbow wrote: > >> Dave, et al: >> >> Thanks for all the fine comments and feedback I've received both on the >> message board and by direct email message. I do have the MIC BIAS "on' and >> the MIC BTN "off." Another person suggested that I adjust the TX EQ, which >> I have done, basically boosting 2.4 KHz and above by 4db and rolling off >> 200Hz and below by 4db. After making these adjustments, I've been told by a >> local ham who had heard the previous settings that my audio quality was >> improved; however, he quickly added the the Elecraft MH3 mic still sounded >> better even before the EQ adjustments. I'm not exactly sure what to make >> of this, since the Heil headset is, obviously, a much more expensive piece >> of equipment. However, it's possible that making the conversion pigtail >> that you suggested might cure the problem. >> >> I do have a Yamaha CM500 on order. It'll be interesting to compare >> reports once that arrives. >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On Sun,12/28/2014 2:40 PM, Carl Jón Denbow wrote:
> Heil headset is, obviously, a much more expensive piece of equipment. Same as we say in the pro audio world about Bose -- "Better sound through marketing." It's ALL HYPE. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On Sun,12/28/2014 3:47 PM, Michael Walker wrote:
> (Let's just call it the Heil camp based on his studies of what the > Ear hears thanks to the Bell Labs). That science is quite solid, but Bob Heil is hardly the only guy who knows about it-- we've been doing that with pro sound systems for nearly 60 years. And BTW -- that Bell Labs research dates back at least 100 years. That's how they settled on 500 Hz - 3 kHz bandwidth for telephone systems.We can do everything that Heil claims to do with ANY decent mic using nothing more than TXEQ. W2IHY sells outboard equalizers that do the same thing, but also for a lot of money. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Heil Proset is great with K3 and KX3 both. Different settings but each
sounds excellent. You may not like Proset on portable, it is large for that, use a small, light computer headset with electret element if you prefer VOX. I use a small Panasonic that requires more mic gain than than Proset. István ha4zd On 29/12/2014 01:48, Michael Walker wrote: > That is because you don't need one. > > http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740174%20Proset%20for%20the%20KX3%20Rev%20A.pdf > > Mike va3mw > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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