I think its time for me to apologize to the group.
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I think its time for me to apologize to the group.
I posed the question concerning personal experiences in the use of QRP vs QRO. I did so sincerely anticipating the high level of experience and expertise within the group would be informative. It is an area of experience unknown to me. I want to thank all who did respond as such. I found your comments and suggestions high-quality, informative, and quiet frankly, written at a professional-publication level. Many of them would be welcome additions to national Ham mags. That being said, I am also sensitive to the fact that a few group members were upset or offended by the topic. I take full responsibility for this, as I started the conversation. I sincerely apologize to those in the group who found the topic offensive or upsetting. In good hamming frame please accept my sincere apologies. Ur frnd Duane, N1BBR -- dw [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: I think its time for me to apologize to the group.
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Duane,
I too responded and thought it was a good subject since Elecraft has been one of the leaders in recent times for lower power technology and equipment. QRP or lower levels of power are not for everyone which is fine and as someone said this is a broad hobby and many ways of enjoying it (not his words). I too apologize for any damage I caused. 73, lynn W4NL ----- Original Message ----- From: "dw" <[hidden email]> To: "Elecraft_List" <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:03 PM Subject: [Elecraft] I think its time for me to apologize to the group. I think its time for me to apologize to the group. I posed the question concerning personal experiences in the use of QRP vs QRO. I did so sincerely anticipating the high level of experience and expertise within the group would be informative. It is an area of experience unknown to me. I want to thank all who did respond as such. I found your comments and suggestions high-quality, informative, and quiet frankly, written at a professional-publication level. Many of them would be welcome additions to national Ham mags. That being said, I am also sensitive to the fact that a few group members were upset or offended by the topic. I take full responsibility for this, as I started the conversation. I sincerely apologize to those in the group who found the topic offensive or upsetting. In good hamming frame………please accept my sincere apologies. Ur frnd Duane, N1BBR -- dw [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1985 - Release Date: 03/05/09 07:54:00 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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DW:
If you're new to QRP, there is nothing offensive in asking more experienced hams if it really works. As you can see from the many posts that your question attracted, the answer to your question is that QRP is effective a lot more often than most people would expect. If your question is does the "thrill of the hunt" explain why people to take up ham radio when worldwide communications by other means can be done with the "effortlessness of the Gods," that is a legitimate question, and the answer is yes, more often than not. I see no need for apology for posing either question. 73, Steve Kercel AA4AK dw wrote: > I think its time for me to apologize to the group. > > I posed the question concerning personal experiences in the use of QRP > vs QRO. > I did so sincerely anticipating the high level of experience and > expertise within the group would be informative. It is an area of > experience unknown to me. > > I want to thank all who did respond as such. > I found your comments and suggestions high-quality, informative, and > quiet frankly, written at a professional-publication level. > > Many of them would be welcome additions to national Ham mags. > > That being said, I am also sensitive to the fact that a few group > members were upset or offended by the topic. > > I take full responsibility for this, as I started the conversation. > I sincerely apologize to those in the group who found the topic > offensive or upsetting. > > In good hamming frame………please accept my sincere apologies. > Ur frnd Duane, N1BBR > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Duane,
I don't believe any apology is required here. Just being aware that there are extremists on either side of the "hall" - whether that be QRP vs. QRO or democrats vs. republicans. There will be those who insist that 'their way is the only way'. Most of us are more moderate, but the extremists are quite vocal. I guess I would be called 'wishy-washy' by the extremists in either camp because I am sometimes QRP oriented and at other times QRO oriented (although my best amplifier only goes to 600 watts). I enjoy both, but I certainly am not going to use full power to communicate with the ham who is less than a mile away from me. Point of information - the QRP crowd got me back into the area of ham radio that I enjoy the most, and that is experimenting and homebrewing. During the days before Elecraft, there was a growing bunch of appliance operators who only knew of the 'latest and greatest' gear from the KenwoodYaseuIcom groups, and that held no interest for me. In that interval, the QRP enthusiasts kept my interests going and helped me along on my personal quests. My thanks go out to Wayne Burdick for his many successful QRP designs, Chuck Adams for the QRP reflector, Wes Hayward and Rick Campbell for their experimental efforts (and the EMRFD publication), as well as the myriad of supporters for this type of experimental work at HF. There is much to be learned from both camps - the QRO folks can teach one operating practices, and the QRP folks can teach how to draw the best from the technology available. 73, Don W3FPR - neither QRP nor QRO exclusively, but responsive to both. dw wrote: > I think its time for me to apologize to the group. > > I posed the question concerning personal experiences in the use of QRP > vs QRO. > I did so sincerely anticipating the high level of experience and > expertise within the group would be informative. It is an area of > experience unknown to me. > > I want to thank all who did respond as such. > I found your comments and suggestions high-quality, informative, and > quiet frankly, written at a professional-publication level. > > Many of them would be welcome additions to national Ham mags. > > That being said, I am also sensitive to the fact that a few group > members were upset or offended by the topic. > > I take full responsibility for this, as I started the conversation. > I sincerely apologize to those in the group who found the topic > offensive or upsetting. > > In good hamming frame………please accept my sincere apologies. > Ur frnd Duane, N1BBR > > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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--- On Thu, 3/5/09, Ron D'Eau Claire <[hidden email]> wrote: > From: Ron D'Eau Claire <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I think its time for me to apologize to the group. > To: "'Elecraft_List'" <[hidden email]> > Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 5:55 PM > Don wrote: > > Point of information - the QRP crowd got me back into the > area of ham > radio that I enjoy the most, and that is experimenting and > homebrewing. > > ---------------------- > > That's been what kept me active among the QRP crowd > too. And I felt > disappointed one time when a very nice fellow with whom > I'd exchanged many > QRP QSO's and mail about designs and our current > projects got really upset > and broke off contact when he realized I also ran QRO, even > though it was > only 100 watts. 100 watts is QRO??? Sounds like a driver to me. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Many eons ago, I got intensely interested in QRP. This was the era of the
"bantam 1 watter" made from a BC-746 tuning unit. The ones that were used in the early "horsy talkies" or "pogo stick" transceivers. Forget the "SCR" number! My first "fun" QRP 'fone rig was a slightly modified BC-611 "Handy Talky" on 3825 Khz. The biggest thrill I ever got was working "ZL" one night on 20 CW with a Ten-Tec PM3 CW transceiver. Seems like it ran about 3 watts out. I didn't think that was possible. How can you work New Zealand using a power level that was about enough to light a #47 dial lamp! There is definitely a place for QRP in amateur radio. Everything isn't "contests" (the current craze!), or DXCC or WAS or whatever. I guess the "magic" of cellphones and the internet has diminished the "wonder" of just working another station without wires. Also without a "computer" acting as the "interpreter" or 'go between' between hams using digital modes, etc now. CW? Another "wonder", albeit and old one, that allows communication between two operators who can't speak or understand the other's language, yet both can exchange "Q" signals etc. and messages easily. All without the aid or "crutch" of a computer in between! I was never a BIG DX chaser. Guess I belonged to the old "rag Chewer's Club" because that's what I enjoyed. Too bad I realized the value of Morse when I was middle aged instead of when I was younger. What's fun depends on what you like. There are those who want to run everyone else off the bands if they are doing what they consider "no fun". 73 to all, Sandy W5TVW PS: I think the "Pogo stick" was the SCR-511? Anybody remember? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" <[hidden email]> To: "'Elecraft_List'" <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I think its time for me to apologize to the group. > Don wrote: > > Point of information - the QRP crowd got me back into the area of ham > radio that I enjoy the most, and that is experimenting and homebrewing. > > ---------------------- > > That's been what kept me active among the QRP crowd too. And I felt > disappointed one time when a very nice fellow with whom I'd exchanged many > QRP QSO's and mail about designs and our current projects got really upset > and broke off contact when he realized I also ran QRO, even though it was > only 100 watts. > > But they are, as Don said, the very few, just there are some who say > homebrew rigs should be banned or CW should be outlawed (or SSB, or this > or > that digital mode). > > As long as Hams are members of the human race we'll have the whole > spectrum > of humans involved. > > Ron AC7AC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1985 - Release Date: 03/05/09 07:54:00 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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