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David F. Reed-2

Re: I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

a counterpoint; I used to have an IC-7800; great rig... I bought a K3 as a
second rig... started using it and to my surprise, it was superior in a few
ways (primarily diversity reception on the low bands); using it I only
missed the panoramic display. Got the P3, and that was superior.

Conclusion? I ended up selling the IC-7800, buying another K3 and improved
my antenna farm with the proceeds. Net result for me was a better station.

Since then I have added a KX3 and after using it a while, sold one of the
K3; it is just hard to beat a K3, and the KX3 is a close second and
portable to boot.

Gotta love Elecraft. (yes, I drank the cool-ade).

--73 de Dave, W5SV

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <
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>
> I personally don't like that sculpted look, I like the No nonsense look of
> the K3.Some of the flashy ones are downright goofy looking (those radios
> look like toys).
>
> That being said. I have no regrets with the K3, it's a nice radio and does
> what I need it to do.
>
> I've spent a lot more with Elecraft than I originally planned, much of
> that is due to their service after the sale.
> I really don't mind spending money with a company knowing they will stand
> behind their product.
>
>
>
>
> From: Al Lorona <[hidden email]>
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> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 12:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse
> on a K3/K3S purchase?
>
> This is true for some people, but many folks can't get past the looks of a
> rig.
>
> A "well-known" ham in Nevada likes to get on 75 meters and when the
> subject of the K3 he once owned (for just a few days) comes up, he loves to
> retell the reasons why he got rid of it. "It looked like it was put
> together with chewing gum," -- which is his way of saying that the cabinet,
> knobs and lights don't have that cool, sculpted, flashy look. For a lot of
> appliance operators, these things are very important. "Eye candy," I think
> they call it.
>
>
>
>
>
> >> There comes a time when you realize that Functionality is better than
> flash.
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Re: I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse ona K3/K3S purchase?

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As the "Hot -Rodders " used to say (still may say ) - if it don't run ,
chrome it "

Hank K7HP

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There comes a time when you realize that Functionality is better than flash.

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Re: I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

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Maybe I can offer a counterpoint, I do regret my K3 purchase. But I will not be selling it.

That was the summary. Here, at great length, is the detail:

I had a KX3 with KXPA100 and liked it very much. I'm a CW operator and hope to join the QRQ gang some day soon. But I spent the past 40 years working with computers and I don't want one in my shack. I prefer to have minimal equipment at the operating desk. With that in mind, I saw the pictures of the PX3 with the word Keyboard stenciled over a USB socket. I ordered the PX3 and separately order a folding wireless keyboard to match.

The PX3 arrived and it changed my operating for the better. Seeing the entire band instead of slowly tuning for CW signals adds a whole new dimension to my hobby.

But the Keyboard USB socket was useless and the sort-of-promise that the keyboard option would be ready by Christmas went sort-of-unfulfilled.

Meanwhile, the K3/P3/SVGA combo has a keyboard option and my CW speed is increasing so I ordered the K3 combo. It cost a lot more than the KX3 had. As soon as the gear arrived I set it up with my yet-unused wireless keyboard and commenced to play with it. Trouble. Letters, and sometimes whole words went missing. CTRL-S has to be hit every so often to force a buffer dump. And sporadically there are pauses of several seconds when sending just stops and CTRL-S fails. However, the buffer dump might resume on its own.

My phone call to Elecraft gave me bad news. My wireless keyboard was not approved by Elecraft so there would be no support for it. I ordered a USB keyboard, waited for its arrival, and discovered no difference. I still had all the same problems with the wired, approved keyboard. Then more bad news from Elecraft: operating the keyboard without a VGA monitor is not approved. If you recall, I wanted minimal equipment in the shack; in fact that's why I wanted the keyboard option instead of the KX3 (now K3) Utility program for sending CW. Now I learned that I have to have a screen on the desk as well.

I purchased a VGA monitor and tried again. Still all the same issues.

So Elecraft asked that I send the P3 with keyboard to them to find out what might be wrong. I did so. After the normal UPS transit time, 5 days each way, and a sufficient time for Elecraft experts to examine the P3, they declared it perfect and could not explain any of my problems. (I pointed out that the problems worsen as typing speed increases above 50 wpm; they said "not so".)

They did admit that there is a sporadic delay of several seconds periodically. But that is normal with the K3/P3/SVGA keyboard option. (Huh?)

No charge for the "no problem found" service by Elecraft. But now I have a K3/P3/SVGA combo that does not do the one thing I bought it to do. And I have a 21" (smallest I could find) VGA screen to sell at the next ham swap meet. It's stuffed away in a closet.

Meanwhile my KXPA100 stopped working (second time in a year) and my regular CW skeds need all 100 watts almost every day. The K3/100 never has a hiccup and the P3 offers some, but not all, of the PX3 benefits.

So, yes I have buyer's remorse. But the K3/P3, like it's KX3/PX3 cousin, is the finest rig I've ever used. So I continue to use it daily.

The good news is that my CW skills are still below 50 wpm so my real need for a keyboard is still a future event.

Sorry for such a long story, but I suspect some of you can sympathize.
--
Marc W8SDG

> On Aug 3, 2015, at 3:21 PM, David F. Reed <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> a counterpoint; I used to have an IC-7800; great rig... I bought a K3 as a
> second rig... started using it and to my surprise, it was superior in a few
> ways
>
> Since then I have added a KX3 and after using it a while, sold one of the
> K3; it is just hard to beat a K3, and the KX3 is a close second
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ac2ev

Re: I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

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The way I see it you have a few choices and I'll use a car analogy.

You can have the economy car that, sure it can do 70 mph but it's not going to get you there quick and it's not going to be very impressive.

You can go to the opposite and dump a ton of money into a radio that is really flashy and looks really "cool" but in the end you find out it's a "trailer queen" that is all show and now go.

Or you could go the route of the K3. It's a custom job you build the way you want it. In car circles they call it a "sleeper". It doesn't look all that impressive on the outside but the power is where it counts, on the inside. In capable hands it'll beat everything out there and the other 'guy' won't know what happened.

No regrets.

73
Don AC2EV

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Jim Brown-10

Re: I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

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On Mon,8/3/2015 2:22 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote:
> But I spent the past 40 years working with computers and I don't want one in my shack.

Hi David,

The irony here is that the things you find troubling are all provided by
microprocessors and DSP within the radios and displays. So you DO have
computers in the shack, I think I count at least four, and there's a
separate microprocessor in the SVGA board doing it's own higher
resolution FFT of the K3 IF. So that makes five. :)

As a side story here -- in 1982, I bought a very expensive, very
advanced piece of audio instrumentation called a TEF Analyzer. It was
made by Techron, a division of Crown, and it was dedicated to Time Delay
Spectrometry. It contained three Z80 microprocessors -- one generated a
swept oscillator to excite the sound system, a second a swept oscillator
for analysis of the received signal, and the third operated as a
computer to control the other two and provide a user interface. The user
interface was written in SBASIC, so that advanced users could write
their own code, and I once took a class to learn the fundamentals of
doing so.

The operating system was CP/M, similar to DOS, and it ran DOS programs
like word processors, databases, and spreadsheets, and I used it for all
three functions in my small business. It was my second programmable
computer -- my first, about four years earlier, was an HP41.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

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While nowhere near the saddest day in my life, when I realized the keypad on my HP41X was terminal, and there was no way to replace it,I sprang for an HP 48GX,. While it's RPN, only Calc I can use anymore, I ve never really understood it.
That 41 was perfect, usable even if you didn't have the book with you. Sort of like a K3.
73,
Fred K6DGW Sparks NV

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
K3/K3S purchase?

On Mon,8/3/2015 2:22 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote:
> But I spent the past 40 years working with computers and I don't want one in my shack.

Hi David,
It was my second programmable
computer -- my first, about four years earlier, was an HP41.

73, Jim K9YC
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Barry Baines

Re: I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

Fred:

I’m still using a HP-41 and I still have a functional HP-45 (works off the power supply). RPN works for me…

FWIW, if you have an Apple iPhone, you can also get an app that provides a full emulation of the HP-41. It works very well with the look and feel of the HP-41 and it allows me to have a “HP-41" with me all the time. The app is named “i41CX-RPN Calculator” from AL Software. There is also a version that has a printer function as well. Check the Apple Store or the developer’s website (http://alsoftiphone.com) for more information if interested…

73,

Barry Baines
WD4ASW

> On Aug 3, 2015, at 10:48 PM, k6dgw <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>
> While nowhere near the saddest day in my life, when I realized the keypad on my HP41X was terminal, and there was no way to replace it,I sprang for an HP 48GX,. While it's RPN, only Calc I can use anymore, I ve never really understood it.
> That 41 was perfect, usable even if you didn't have the book with you. Sort of like a K3.
> 73,
> Fred K6DGW Sparks NV
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Jim Brown <[hidden email]>
> Date: 08/03/2015 14:48 (GMT-08:00)
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
> K3/K3S purchase?
>
> On Mon,8/3/2015 2:22 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote:
>> But I spent the past 40 years working with computers and I don't want one in my shack.
>
> Hi David,
> It was my second programmable
> computer -- my first, about four years earlier, was an HP41.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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vk2rq

Re: I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

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A better solution than disabling AGC altogether may be to customize it to your needs. The K3 AGC is very configurable. The following article on Don's webpage is very informative:http://www.w3fpr.com/K3_AGC.htm
Also, I would suggest checking out Fred Cady's book on K3 or KX3. I'd be quite surprised if Fred didn't do a full write-up on AGC configuration, together with some nice diagrams.

73, Matt VK2RQ

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 8:38 AM -0700, "Matt Zilmer" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dave,

Look in the owner's manual for CONFIG: AF LIM. This function will
limit audio out when AGC is disabled. I run mine around 20.

It will save your hearing!

73,
matt
W6NIA

On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 08:14:36 -0700, you wrote:

>Jerry,
>
>I don't regret selling my 756 PRO III, and replacing it with the K3 one
>bit!

>My only complaint about the rig is the dynamic range in the audio
>section... If I have the AGC off, and one of my neighbors comes up
>within my passband, my ears get nailed big time... There needs to be an
>audio limiter on my rig...
>
Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
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NK7Z

Re: I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

Thanks Matt, I will look at it!
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On Tue, 2015-08-04 at 03:31 +0000, Matt Maguire wrote:

> A better solution than disabling AGC altogether may be to customize it
> to your needs. The K3 AGC is very configurable. The following article
> on Don's webpage is very informative:
> http://www.w3fpr.com/K3_AGC.htm
>
>
> Also, I would suggest checking out Fred Cady's book on K3 or KX3. I'd
> be quite surprised if Fred didn't do a full write-up on AGC
> configuration, together with some nice diagrams.
>
> 73, Matt VK2RQ
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 8:38 AM -0700, "Matt Zilmer"
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Dave,
>
> Look in the owner's manual for CONFIG: AF LIM. This function will
> limit audio out when AGC is disabled. I run mine around 20.
>
> It will save your hearing!
>
> 73,
> matt
> W6NIA
>
>
> On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 08:14:36 -0700, you wrote:
>
> >Jerry,
> >
> >I don't regret selling my 756 PRO III, and replacing it with the K3 one
> >bit!
>
> >My only complaint about the rig is the dynamic range in the audio
> >section... If I have the AGC off, and one of my neighbors comes up
> >within my passband, my ears get nailed big time... There needs to be an
> >audio limiter on my rig...
> >
> Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
> --
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>
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Re: I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

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I still have both my HP-45, and 55 both still working! Use them
exclusively, and both are RPN only!
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On Mon, 2015-08-03 at 23:04 -0400, Barry Baines wrote:

> Fred:
>
> I’m still using a HP-41 and I still have a functional HP-45 (works off the power supply). RPN works for me…
>
> FWIW, if you have an Apple iPhone, you can also get an app that provides a full emulation of the HP-41. It works very well with the look and feel of the HP-41 and it allows me to have a “HP-41" with me all the time. The app is named “i41CX-RPN Calculator” from AL Software. There is also a version that has a printer function as well. Check the Apple Store or the developer’s website (http://alsoftiphone.com) for more information if interested…
>
>
> 73,
>
> Barry Baines
> WD4ASW
>
>
> > On Aug 3, 2015, at 10:48 PM, k6dgw <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > While nowhere near the saddest day in my life, when I realized the keypad on my HP41X was terminal, and there was no way to replace it,I sprang for an HP 48GX,. While it's RPN, only Calc I can use anymore, I ve never really understood it.
> > That 41 was perfect, usable even if you didn't have the book with you. Sort of like a K3.
> > 73,
> > Fred K6DGW Sparks NV
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Jim Brown <[hidden email]>
> > Date: 08/03/2015 14:48 (GMT-08:00)
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
> > K3/K3S purchase?
> >
> > On Mon,8/3/2015 2:22 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote:
> >> But I spent the past 40 years working with computers and I don't want one in my shack.
> >
> > Hi David,
> > It was my second programmable
> > computer -- my first, about four years earlier, was an HP41.
> >
> > 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

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Marc,

In my opinion, you have no one to blame except yourself. I doubt seriously
the K3 keying program in the K3 Utility was designed, not only to be used on
the air, but certainly not for QRQ operating. I have been a QRQ operator for
about 40 years, running speeds from about 60 wpm up to around 125 wpm. I can
tell you from experience that NOW the K3 will key and maintain full QSK up
about 95 wpm with both weight and spacing held constant. But, in my opinion,
you MUST have an external PC program capable of sending at speeds in excess
of 50 wpm while maintaining weight and character spacing. That I am aware,
everyone who operates QRQ has a PC on their desk, but there are very few
programs available that will do it correctly. N1MM Logger Plus is a contest
program, but it's keying program will run my K3 at 95 wpm and do it well.
The only other program that I have used is named YPlog, written by VE6YP but
unfortunately not supported for over 15 years. YPlog generates CW using
Windows internal audio generation, primarily to eliminate the normal
'stutter' by PC I/O ports. High speed CW requires correctly spaced and
correctly weighted generation of CW and there is no one, that I know of, who
can do that by hand, so a PC is imperative.

I, also, have spent the past 40 years working with computers and just
consider them as another tool to be used as I see fit. Not wanting to use a
PC anymore, in my opinion, basically eliminates you from getting into one of
the most fun parts of our hobby, QRQ! Your choice BUT putting the blame on
the K3 and the K3 Utility shows you really mistook the purpose of the K3
Utility.

If you are interested I can send you the YPlog program, but you will have to
build an audio full wave bridge plus a keying transistor to key your K3 at
speeds.

73,
Tom - W4BQF

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Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 5:23 PM
To: David F. Reed
Cc: elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
K3/K3S purchase?

Maybe I can offer a counterpoint, I do regret my K3 purchase. But I will
not be selling it.

That was the summary. Here, at great length, is the detail:

I had a KX3 with KXPA100 and liked it very much. I'm a CW operator and hope
to join the QRQ gang some day soon. But I spent the past 40 years working
with computers and I don't want one in my shack. I prefer to have minimal
equipment at the operating desk. With that in mind, I saw the pictures of
the PX3 with the word Keyboard stenciled over a USB socket. I ordered the
PX3 and separately order a folding wireless keyboard to match.

The PX3 arrived and it changed my operating for the better. Seeing the
entire band instead of slowly tuning for CW signals adds a whole new
dimension to my hobby.

But the Keyboard USB socket was useless and the sort-of-promise that the
keyboard option would be ready by Christmas went sort-of-unfulfilled.

Meanwhile, the K3/P3/SVGA combo has a keyboard option and my CW speed is
increasing so I ordered the K3 combo. It cost a lot more than the KX3 had.
As soon as the gear arrived I set it up with my yet-unused wireless keyboard
and commenced to play with it. Trouble. Letters, and sometimes whole words
went missing. CTRL-S has to be hit every so often to force a buffer dump.
And sporadically there are pauses of several seconds when sending just stops
and CTRL-S fails. However, the buffer dump might resume on its own.

My phone call to Elecraft gave me bad news. My wireless keyboard was not
approved by Elecraft so there would be no support for it. I ordered a USB
keyboard, waited for its arrival, and discovered no difference. I still had
all the same problems with the wired, approved keyboard. Then more bad news
from Elecraft: operating the keyboard without a VGA monitor is not approved.
If you recall, I wanted minimal equipment in the shack; in fact that's why I
wanted the keyboard option instead of the KX3 (now K3) Utility program for
sending CW. Now I learned that I have to have a screen on the desk as well.

I purchased a VGA monitor and tried again. Still all the same issues.

So Elecraft asked that I send the P3 with keyboard to them to find out what
might be wrong. I did so. After the normal UPS transit time, 5 days each
way, and a sufficient time for Elecraft experts to examine the P3, they
declared it perfect and could not explain any of my problems. (I pointed
out that the problems worsen as typing speed increases above 50 wpm; they
said "not so".)

They did admit that there is a sporadic delay of several seconds
periodically. But that is normal with the K3/P3/SVGA keyboard option.
(Huh?)

No charge for the "no problem found" service by Elecraft. But now I have a
K3/P3/SVGA combo that does not do the one thing I bought it to do. And I
have a 21" (smallest I could find) VGA screen to sell at the next ham swap
meet. It's stuffed away in a closet.

Meanwhile my KXPA100 stopped working (second time in a year) and my regular
CW skeds need all 100 watts almost every day. The K3/100 never has a hiccup
and the P3 offers some, but not all, of the PX3 benefits.

So, yes I have buyer's remorse. But the K3/P3, like it's KX3/PX3 cousin,
is the finest rig I've ever used. So I continue to use it daily.

The good news is that my CW skills are still below 50 wpm so my real need
for a keyboard is still a future event.

Sorry for such a long story, but I suspect some of you can sympathize.
--
Marc W8SDG

> On Aug 3, 2015, at 3:21 PM, David F. Reed <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> a counterpoint; I used to have an IC-7800; great rig... I bought a K3
> as a second rig... started using it and to my surprise, it was
> superior in a few ways
>
> Since then I have added a KX3 and after using it a while, sold one of
> the K3; it is just hard to beat a K3, and the KX3 is a close second
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Re: I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

In reply to this post by Barry Baines

Great! But what does using a HP calculator have to do with the silly subject line? This 'buyers remorse' thread reminds me of someone who is trolling!

Tom - W4BQF

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Barry Baines
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 11:04 PM
To: k6dgw
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

Fred:

I’m still using a HP-41 and I still have a functional HP-45 (works off the power supply). RPN works for me…

FWIW, if you have an Apple iPhone, you can also get an app that provides a full emulation of the HP-41. It works very well with the look and feel of the HP-41 and it allows me to have a “HP-41" with me all the time. The app is named “i41CX-RPN Calculator” from AL Software. There is also a version that has a printer function as well. Check the Apple Store or the developer’s website (http://alsoftiphone.com) for more information if interested…

73,

Barry Baines
WD4ASW

> On Aug 3, 2015, at 10:48 PM, k6dgw <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>
> While nowhere near the saddest day in my life, when I realized the keypad on my HP41X was terminal, and there was no way to replace it,I sprang for an HP 48GX,. While it's RPN, only Calc I can use anymore, I ve never really understood it.
> That 41 was perfect, usable even if you didn't have the book with you. Sort of like a K3.
> 73,
> Fred K6DGW Sparks NV
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Jim Brown <[hidden email]>
> Date: 08/03/2015 14:48 (GMT-08:00)
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers
> remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?
>
> On Mon,8/3/2015 2:22 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote:
>> But I spent the past 40 years working with computers and I don't want one in my shack.
>
> Hi David,
> It was my second programmable
> computer -- my first, about four years earlier, was an HP41.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

In reply to this post by Chester Alderman

What does this have to do with the subject? Start your own thread!

73,
Tim Herrick, KQ8M
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-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Chester Alderman
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 9:05 AM
To: 'Marc Veeneman'; 'David F. Reed'
Cc: 'elecraft Reflector'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

Marc,

In my opinion, you have no one to blame except yourself. I doubt seriously the K3 keying program in the K3 Utility was designed, not
only to be used on the air, but certainly not for QRQ operating. I have been a QRQ operator for about 40 years, running speeds from
about 60 wpm up to around 125 wpm. I can tell you from experience that NOW the K3 will key and maintain full QSK up about 95 wpm
with both weight and spacing held constant. But, in my opinion, you MUST have an external PC program capable of sending at speeds in
excess of 50 wpm while maintaining weight and character spacing. That I am aware, everyone who operates QRQ has a PC on their desk,
but there are very few programs available that will do it correctly. N1MM Logger Plus is a contest program, but it's keying program
will run my K3 at 95 wpm and do it well.
The only other program that I have used is named YPlog, written by VE6YP but unfortunately not supported for over 15 years. YPlog
generates CW using Windows internal audio generation, primarily to eliminate the normal 'stutter' by PC I/O ports. High speed CW
requires correctly spaced and correctly weighted generation of CW and there is no one, that I know of, who can do that by hand, so a
PC is imperative.

I, also, have spent the past 40 years working with computers and just consider them as another tool to be used as I see fit. Not
wanting to use a PC anymore, in my opinion, basically eliminates you from getting into one of the most fun parts of our hobby, QRQ!
Your choice BUT putting the blame on the K3 and the K3 Utility shows you really mistook the purpose of the K3 Utility.

If you are interested I can send you the YPlog program, but you will have to build an audio full wave bridge plus a keying
transistor to key your K3 at speeds.

73,
Tom - W4BQF

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marc Veeneman
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 5:23 PM
To: David F. Reed
Cc: elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

Maybe I can offer a counterpoint, I do regret my K3 purchase. But I will not be selling it.

That was the summary. Here, at great length, is the detail:

I had a KX3 with KXPA100 and liked it very much. I'm a CW operator and hope
to join the QRQ gang some day soon. But I spent the past 40 years working
with computers and I don't want one in my shack. I prefer to have minimal equipment at the operating desk. With that in mind, I
saw the pictures of the PX3 with the word Keyboard stenciled over a USB socket. I ordered the
PX3 and separately order a folding wireless keyboard to match.

The PX3 arrived and it changed my operating for the better. Seeing the entire band instead of slowly tuning for CW signals adds a
whole new dimension to my hobby.

But the Keyboard USB socket was useless and the sort-of-promise that the keyboard option would be ready by Christmas went
sort-of-unfulfilled.

Meanwhile, the K3/P3/SVGA combo has a keyboard option and my CW speed is increasing so I ordered the K3 combo. It cost a lot more
than the KX3 had.
As soon as the gear arrived I set it up with my yet-unused wireless keyboard and commenced to play with it. Trouble. Letters, and
sometimes whole words went missing. CTRL-S has to be hit every so often to force a buffer dump.
And sporadically there are pauses of several seconds when sending just stops and CTRL-S fails. However, the buffer dump might
resume on its own.

My phone call to Elecraft gave me bad news. My wireless keyboard was not approved by Elecraft so there would be no support for it.
I ordered a USB keyboard, waited for its arrival, and discovered no difference. I still had all the same problems with the wired,
approved keyboard. Then more bad news from Elecraft: operating the keyboard without a VGA monitor is not approved.
If you recall, I wanted minimal equipment in the shack; in fact that's why I wanted the keyboard option instead of the KX3 (now K3)
Utility program for sending CW. Now I learned that I have to have a screen on the desk as well.

I purchased a VGA monitor and tried again. Still all the same issues.

So Elecraft asked that I send the P3 with keyboard to them to find out what might be wrong. I did so. After the normal UPS transit
time, 5 days each way, and a sufficient time for Elecraft experts to examine the P3, they declared it perfect and could not explain
any of my problems. (I pointed out that the problems worsen as typing speed increases above 50 wpm; they said "not so".)

They did admit that there is a sporadic delay of several seconds periodically. But that is normal with the K3/P3/SVGA keyboard
option.
(Huh?)

No charge for the "no problem found" service by Elecraft. But now I have a K3/P3/SVGA combo that does not do the one thing I bought
it to do. And I have a 21" (smallest I could find) VGA screen to sell at the next ham swap meet. It's stuffed away in a closet.

Meanwhile my KXPA100 stopped working (second time in a year) and my regular CW skeds need all 100 watts almost every day. The
K3/100 never has a hiccup and the P3 offers some, but not all, of the PX3 benefits.

So, yes I have buyer's remorse. But the K3/P3, like it's KX3/PX3 cousin,
is the finest rig I've ever used. So I continue to use it daily.

The good news is that my CW skills are still below 50 wpm so my real need for a keyboard is still a future event.

Sorry for such a long story, but I suspect some of you can sympathize.
--
Marc W8SDG

> On Aug 3, 2015, at 3:21 PM, David F. Reed <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> a counterpoint; I used to have an IC-7800; great rig... I bought a K3
> as a second rig... started using it and to my surprise, it was
> superior in a few ways
>
> Since then I have added a KX3 and after using it a while, sold one of
> the K3; it is just hard to beat a K3, and the KX3 is a close second
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Re: I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

Well COP, my response to Marc's post about his opinion about the K3. Maybe a
tad of 'mind your own business' would help you relax?

Tom - W4BQF

-----Original Message-----
From: KQ8M [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 9:45 AM
To: 'Chester Alderman'; 'Marc Veeneman'; 'David F. Reed'
Cc: 'elecraft Reflector'
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
K3/K3S purchase?

What does this have to do with the subject? Start your own thread!

73,
Tim Herrick, KQ8M
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-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Chester Alderman
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 9:05 AM
To: 'Marc Veeneman'; 'David F. Reed'
Cc: 'elecraft Reflector'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
K3/K3S purchase?

Marc,

In my opinion, you have no one to blame except yourself. I doubt seriously
the K3 keying program in the K3 Utility was designed, not only to be used on
the air, but certainly not for QRQ operating. I have been a QRQ operator for
about 40 years, running speeds from about 60 wpm up to around 125 wpm. I can
tell you from experience that NOW the K3 will key and maintain full QSK up
about 95 wpm with both weight and spacing held constant. But, in my opinion,
you MUST have an external PC program capable of sending at speeds in excess
of 50 wpm while maintaining weight and character spacing. That I am aware,
everyone who operates QRQ has a PC on their desk, but there are very few
programs available that will do it correctly. N1MM Logger Plus is a contest
program, but it's keying program will run my K3 at 95 wpm and do it well.
The only other program that I have used is named YPlog, written by VE6YP but
unfortunately not supported for over 15 years. YPlog generates CW using
Windows internal audio generation, primarily to eliminate the normal
'stutter' by PC I/O ports. High speed CW requires correctly spaced and
correctly weighted generation of CW and there is no one, that I know of, who
can do that by hand, so a PC is imperative.

I, also, have spent the past 40 years working with computers and just
consider them as another tool to be used as I see fit. Not wanting to use a
PC anymore, in my opinion, basically eliminates you from getting into one of
the most fun parts of our hobby, QRQ!
Your choice BUT putting the blame on the K3 and the K3 Utility shows you
really mistook the purpose of the K3 Utility.

If you are interested I can send you the YPlog program, but you will have to
build an audio full wave bridge plus a keying transistor to key your K3 at
speeds.

73,
Tom - W4BQF

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marc
Veeneman
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 5:23 PM
To: David F. Reed
Cc: elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
K3/K3S purchase?

Maybe I can offer a counterpoint, I do regret my K3 purchase. But I will
not be selling it.

That was the summary. Here, at great length, is the detail:

I had a KX3 with KXPA100 and liked it very much. I'm a CW operator and hope
to join the QRQ gang some day soon. But I spent the past 40 years working
with computers and I don't want one in my shack. I prefer to have minimal
equipment at the operating desk. With that in mind, I saw the pictures of
the PX3 with the word Keyboard stenciled over a USB socket. I ordered the
PX3 and separately order a folding wireless keyboard to match.

The PX3 arrived and it changed my operating for the better. Seeing the
entire band instead of slowly tuning for CW signals adds a whole new
dimension to my hobby.

But the Keyboard USB socket was useless and the sort-of-promise that the
keyboard option would be ready by Christmas went sort-of-unfulfilled.

Meanwhile, the K3/P3/SVGA combo has a keyboard option and my CW speed is
increasing so I ordered the K3 combo. It cost a lot more than the KX3 had.
As soon as the gear arrived I set it up with my yet-unused wireless keyboard
and commenced to play with it. Trouble. Letters, and sometimes whole words
went missing. CTRL-S has to be hit every so often to force a buffer dump.
And sporadically there are pauses of several seconds when sending just stops
and CTRL-S fails. However, the buffer dump might resume on its own.

My phone call to Elecraft gave me bad news. My wireless keyboard was not
approved by Elecraft so there would be no support for it.
I ordered a USB keyboard, waited for its arrival, and discovered no
difference. I still had all the same problems with the wired, approved
keyboard. Then more bad news from Elecraft: operating the keyboard without
a VGA monitor is not approved.
If you recall, I wanted minimal equipment in the shack; in fact that's why I
wanted the keyboard option instead of the KX3 (now K3) Utility program for
sending CW. Now I learned that I have to have a screen on the desk as well.

I purchased a VGA monitor and tried again. Still all the same issues.

So Elecraft asked that I send the P3 with keyboard to them to find out what
might be wrong. I did so. After the normal UPS transit time, 5 days each
way, and a sufficient time for Elecraft experts to examine the P3, they
declared it perfect and could not explain any of my problems. (I pointed
out that the problems worsen as typing speed increases above 50 wpm; they
said "not so".)

They did admit that there is a sporadic delay of several seconds
periodically. But that is normal with the K3/P3/SVGA keyboard option.
(Huh?)

No charge for the "no problem found" service by Elecraft. But now I have a
K3/P3/SVGA combo that does not do the one thing I bought it to do. And I
have a 21" (smallest I could find) VGA screen to sell at the next ham swap
meet. It's stuffed away in a closet.

Meanwhile my KXPA100 stopped working (second time in a year) and my regular
CW skeds need all 100 watts almost every day. The
K3/100 never has a hiccup and the P3 offers some, but not all, of the PX3
benefits.

So, yes I have buyer's remorse. But the K3/P3, like it's KX3/PX3 cousin,
is the finest rig I've ever used. So I continue to use it daily.

The good news is that my CW skills are still below 50 wpm so my real need
for a keyboard is still a future event.

Sorry for such a long story, but I suspect some of you can sympathize.
--
Marc W8SDG

> On Aug 3, 2015, at 3:21 PM, David F. Reed <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> a counterpoint; I used to have an IC-7800; great rig... I bought a K3
> as a second rig... started using it and to my surprise, it was
> superior in a few ways
>
> Since then I have added a KX3 and after using it a while, sold one of
> the K3; it is just hard to beat a K3, and the KX3 is a close second
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Re: I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

In reply to this post by Barry Baines

... and for an RPN calculator on Android there is RealCalc. It
defaults to that odd mode that uses an equal sign, but the first item
in the Setting menu is an opportunity to set it to RPN ... then the
keyboard changes to a proper calculator. It has no programmability,
but it is a fine RPN calculator.

Mark AD5SS ... still miss my 41CX at times

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Barry Baines <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Fred:
>
> I’m still using a HP-41 and I still have a functional HP-45 (works off the power supply). RPN works for me…
>
> FWIW, if you have an Apple iPhone, you can also get an app that provides a full emulation of the HP-41. It works very well with the look and feel of the HP-41 and it allows me to have a “HP-41" with me all the time. The app is named “i41CX-RPN Calculator” from AL Software. There is also a version that has a printer function as well. Check the Apple Store or the developer’s website (http://alsoftiphone.com) for more information if interested…
>
>
> 73,
>
> Barry Baines
> WD4ASW
>
>
>> On Aug 3, 2015, at 10:48 PM, k6dgw <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> While nowhere near the saddest day in my life, when I realized the keypad on my HP41X was terminal, and there was no way to replace it,I sprang for an HP 48GX,. While it's RPN, only Calc I can use anymore, I ve never really understood it.
>> That 41 was perfect, usable even if you didn't have the book with you. Sort of like a K3.
>> 73,
>> Fred K6DGW Sparks NV
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Jim Brown <[hidden email]>
>> Date: 08/03/2015 14:48 (GMT-08:00)
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
>> K3/K3S purchase?
>>
>> On Mon,8/3/2015 2:22 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote:
>>> But I spent the past 40 years working with computers and I don't want one in my shack.
>>
>> Hi David,
>> It was my second programmable
>> computer -- my first, about four years earlier, was an HP41.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
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Phil Wheeler-2

Re: I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

So using an RPN calculator gives you remorse over
buying a K3? Or over not buying one?

I like my K3 and using RPN :-)

Phil W7OX

On 8/4/15, 8:55 AM, Mark Bayern wrote:

> ... and for an RPN calculator on Android there is RealCalc. It
> defaults to that odd mode that uses an equal sign, but the first item
> in the Setting menu is an opportunity to set it to RPN ... then the
> keyboard changes to a proper calculator. It has no programmability,
> but it is a fine RPN calculator.
>
> Mark AD5SS ... still miss my 41CX at times
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Barry Baines <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Fred:
>>
>> I’m still using a HP-41 and I still have a functional HP-45 (works off the power supply). RPN works for me…
>>
>> FWIW, if you have an Apple iPhone, you can also get an app that provides a full emulation of the HP-41. It works very well with the look and feel of the HP-41 and it allows me to have a “HP-41" with me all the time. The app is named “i41CX-RPN Calculator” from AL Software. There is also a version that has a printer function as well. Check the Apple Store or the developer’s website (http://alsoftiphone.com) for more information if interested…
>>
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Barry Baines
>> WD4ASW
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 3, 2015, at 10:48 PM, k6dgw <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> While nowhere near the saddest day in my life, when I realized the keypad on my HP41X was terminal, and there was no way to replace it,I sprang for an HP 48GX,. While it's RPN, only Calc I can use anymore, I ve never really understood it.
>>> That 41 was perfect, usable even if you didn't have the book with you. Sort of like a K3.
>>> 73,
>>> Fred K6DGW Sparks NV
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>>>
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Jim Brown <[hidden email]>
>>> Date: 08/03/2015 14:48 (GMT-08:00)
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
>>> K3/K3S purchase?
>>>
>>> On Mon,8/3/2015 2:22 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote:
>>>> But I spent the past 40 years working with computers and I don't want one in my shack.
>>> Hi David,
>>> It was my second programmable
>>> computer -- my first, about four years earlier, was an HP41.
>>>
>>> 73, Jim K9YC

NK7Z

Re: I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

Clearly this thread has run its course, and new ideas are invading! :)
Perhaps it is time for the thread to die...
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On Tue, 2015-08-04 at 09:22 -0700, Phil Wheeler wrote:

> So using an RPN calculator gives you remorse over
> buying a K3? Or over not buying one?
>
> I like my K3 and using RPN :-)
>
> Phil W7OX
>
> On 8/4/15, 8:55 AM, Mark Bayern wrote:
> > ... and for an RPN calculator on Android there is RealCalc. It
> > defaults to that odd mode that uses an equal sign, but the first item
> > in the Setting menu is an opportunity to set it to RPN ... then the
> > keyboard changes to a proper calculator. It has no programmability,
> > but it is a fine RPN calculator.
> >
> > Mark AD5SS ... still miss my 41CX at times
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Barry Baines <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> Fred:
> >>
> >> I’m still using a HP-41 and I still have a functional HP-45 (works off the power supply). RPN works for me…
> >>
> >> FWIW, if you have an Apple iPhone, you can also get an app that provides a full emulation of the HP-41. It works very well with the look and feel of the HP-41 and it allows me to have a “HP-41" with me all the time. The app is named “i41CX-RPN Calculator” from AL Software. There is also a version that has a printer function as well. Check the Apple Store or the developer’s website (http://alsoftiphone.com) for more information if interested…
> >>
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> Barry Baines
> >> WD4ASW
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Aug 3, 2015, at 10:48 PM, k6dgw <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> While nowhere near the saddest day in my life, when I realized the keypad on my HP41X was terminal, and there was no way to replace it,I sprang for an HP 48GX,. While it's RPN, only Calc I can use anymore, I ve never really understood it.
> >>> That 41 was perfect, usable even if you didn't have the book with you. Sort of like a K3.
> >>> 73,
> >>> Fred K6DGW Sparks NV
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
> >>>
> >>> -------- Original message --------
> >>> From: Jim Brown <[hidden email]>
> >>> Date: 08/03/2015 14:48 (GMT-08:00)
> >>> To: [hidden email]
> >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
> >>> K3/K3S purchase?
> >>>
> >>> On Mon,8/3/2015 2:22 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote:
> >>>> But I spent the past 40 years working with computers and I don't want one in my shack.
> >>> Hi David,
> >>> It was my second programmable
> >>> computer -- my first, about four years earlier, was an HP41.
> >>>
> >>> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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Re: I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

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On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Mark Bayern <[hidden email]> wrote:

> ... for an RPN calculator on Android there is RealCalc...

==========
Well, there are also apps that replicate the HP11C and HP12C. I have both,
and both are excellent.

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On 8/3/2015 4:22 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote:
"Maybe I can offer a counterpoint, I do regret my K3 purchase. But I
will not be selling it."
....................................................................................................

I have decided to come to Marc's defense on this. It isn't just about
speed. In his explanation, he touched on lost characters and words.

I too, experience lost characters, even spaces which are ascii
characters also. Others have told me of the same problem. I have given
up on reporting it to Elecraft.

I quit using the keyboard for qso's. Too bad, as it is a nice tool with
the memories. I could also correct my spelling before it got
transmitted. As I recall, this problem isn't just CW.

The failure rate is about once in every 30 characters, or so, counting
spaces. As for speed, it happens regularly as slow as 8 wpm which is
about the slowest it will go.

It needs to be fixed.

Here is what happens:

The characters are being received from the USB keyboard and displayed in
the send portion of the monitor correctly. (my terminology)
As they are being sent to the K3, I can hear the skip as it occurs, and
I do not see the skipped character displayed on the K3 display panel.
When a space is dropped, the two words get joined together.

It never skips an element of a character, it is always the whole
character which I assume is Ascii at that point.

With the proper equipment set up on a bench, it should be possible to
see where the failures are occurring, so that the cause can be determined.

I must say I have not checked for the latest F/W recently. I would be
pleased to learn that the fix is waiting for me, but from Marc's post it
doesn't look like it.

Dick, n0ce

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On 8/4/2015 6:44 AM, KQ8M wrote:
> What does this have to do with the subject? Start your own thread!
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