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Doug Ellmore Sr.

IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?

Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3?

In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking it would
be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one K3.

Doug NA1DX
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Re: IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?

That would be nice
You could run two P3s

From: Doug Ellmore <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:39 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?

Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3?

In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking it would
be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one K3.

Doug NA1DX
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Mike Harris-9

Re: IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?

See PVRC (Potomac Valley Radio Club) Newsletter June 2012.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO

On 28/01/2015 18:20, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

> That would be nice
> You could run two P3s
>
>
>
> From: Doug Ellmore <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:39 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
>
> Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3?
>
> In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking it would
> be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one K3.
>
>
> Doug NA1DX
> [hidden email]
> www.ellmore.net/na1dx

Alan Bloom

Re: IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?

In reply to this post by Doug Ellmore Sr.

There is no official Elecraft modification to access the sub-receiver IF
output, but they do have some information on the web site about others
have done it:

http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3FAQ.htm#sub%20rx%20if

Alan N1AL

On 01/28/2015 10:39 AM, Doug Ellmore wrote:
> Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3?
>
> In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking it would
> be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one K3.
>

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David Gilbert

Re: IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?

As best I remember, though, the P3 talks only to the main receiver ...
right? I believe that anyone wanting to display the sub-receiver would
have to use a different panadapter scheme if they want handshaking
capability such as frequency information, point/click QSY, etc.

The N2QT modification described in the June 12 PVRC newsletter (easily
found via Google search) describes how to do this in better detail than
the reference below.

Dave AB7E

On 1/28/2015 4:43 PM, Alan wrote:

> There is no official Elecraft modification to access the sub-receiver
> IF output, but they do have some information on the web site about
> others have done it:
>
> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3FAQ.htm#sub%20rx%20if
>
> Alan N1AL
>
>
> On 01/28/2015 10:39 AM, Doug Ellmore wrote:
>> Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3?
>>
>> In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking it
>> would
>> be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one K3.
>>
>
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Alan Bloom

Re: IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?

Right, the P3 would work only in tracking mode (no fixed-tune mode) and
the sub receiver frequency and receiver bandwidth would not display on
the P3. Also, click-to-QSY would not work and the reference level would
not be correct. But you can still change the span, offset the center
frequency, change the reference level and scale, turn on the waterfall
and averaging, adjust the markers (reading relative frequency) and use
most of the other features.

Alan N1AL

On 01/28/2015 04:57 PM, David Gilbert wrote:

>
> As best I remember, though, the P3 talks only to the main receiver ...
> right? I believe that anyone wanting to display the sub-receiver
> would have to use a different panadapter scheme if they want
> handshaking capability such as frequency information, point/click QSY,
> etc.
>
> The N2QT modification described in the June 12 PVRC newsletter (easily
> found via Google search) describes how to do this in better detail
> than the reference below.
>
> Dave AB7E
>
>
>
> On 1/28/2015 4:43 PM, Alan wrote:
>> There is no official Elecraft modification to access the sub-receiver
>> IF output, but they do have some information on the web site about
>> others have done it:
>>
>> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3FAQ.htm#sub%20rx%20if
>>
>> Alan N1AL
>>
>>
>> On 01/28/2015 10:39 AM, Doug Ellmore wrote:
>>> Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3?
>>>
>>> In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking
>>> it would
>>> be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one
>>> K3.
>>>
>>

tomb18

Re: IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?

In reply to this post by Doug Ellmore Sr.

Hi
That assumes one is using a p3. A software panadapter would work fine except that there would no way to get the if shift from the sub since that command doesn't exist. It could still be done but it would be a bit of a hack.
Tom
va2fsq.com

On Jan 28, 2015 8:20 PM, Alan <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Right, the P3 would work only in tracking mode (no fixed-tune mode) and
> the sub receiver frequency and receiver bandwidth would not display on
> the P3. Also, click-to-QSY would not work and the reference level would
> not be correct. But you can still change the span, offset the center
> frequency, change the reference level and scale, turn on the waterfall
> and averaging, adjust the markers (reading relative frequency) and use
> most of the other features.
>
> Alan N1AL
>
>
>
> On 01/28/2015 04:57 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
> >
> > As best I remember, though, the P3 talks only to the main receiver ...
> > right? I believe that anyone wanting to display the sub-receiver
> > would have to use a different panadapter scheme if they want
> > handshaking capability such as frequency information, point/click QSY,
> > etc.
> >
> > The N2QT modification described in the June 12 PVRC newsletter (easily
> > found via Google search) describes how to do this in better detail
> > than the reference below.
> >
> > Dave AB7E
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1/28/2015 4:43 PM, Alan wrote:
> >> There is no official Elecraft modification to access the sub-receiver
> >> IF output, but they do have some information on the web site about
> >> others have done it:
> >>
> >> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3FAQ.htm#sub%20rx%20if
> >>
> >> Alan N1AL
> >>
> >>
> >> On 01/28/2015 10:39 AM, Doug Ellmore wrote:
> >>> Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3?
> >>>
> >>> In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking
> >>> it would
> >>> be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one
> >>> K3.
> >>>
> >>
>
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Re: IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?

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Thank you
I already have the Clifton labs Buffer amp and a softrock lite that I was got a while ago.
It would be interesting if a Second P3 could be hooked up,I suspect it would have to be coded for the P3 to know what VFO it is looking at.
I'll have to look into if someone already has written a NaP3 type program that supports 2 Receivers(I only played with that program briefly and found it to be nice)

From: Mike Harris <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?

See PVRC (Potomac Valley Radio Club) Newsletter June 2012.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO

On 28/01/2015 18:20, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

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tomb18

Re: IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?

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Harry,
While its a nice idea there are a couple of commands missing in the api to allow this to be done properly. If all you are interested is seeing the spectrum and doing qsys it probably is possible. But to do the job semi-correctly you would need some customized code to do so.
Tom
va2fsq.com

On Jan 28, 2015 10:10 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Thank you
> I already have the Clifton labs Buffer amp and a softrock lite that I was got a while ago.
> It would be interesting if a Second P3 could be hooked up,I suspect it would have to be coded for the P3 to know what VFO it is looking at.
> I'll have to look into if someone already has written a NaP3 type program that supports 2 Receivers(I only played with that program briefly and found it to be nice)
>
> From: Mike Harris <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 6:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
>
> See PVRC (Potomac Valley Radio Club) Newsletter June 2012.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike VP8NO
>
> On 28/01/2015 18:20, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> > That would be nice
> > You could run two P3s
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Doug Ellmore <[hidden email]>
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:39 PM
> > Subject: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
> >
> > Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3?
> >
> > In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking it would
> > be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one K3.
> >
> >
> > Doug NA1DX
> > [hidden email]
> > www.ellmore.net/na1dx
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Edward R Cole

Re: IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?

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Doug,

Its not difficult if you do not mind soldering a disc ceramic cap to
the subreceiver board and running some RG-174. I outlined how I did
that on my webpage:
http://www.kl7uw.com/LINRAD.htm

Scroll down the page until you come to the heading:
Connecting K3 Sub-Receiver IF to LP-Pan:
Connection is near the noise blanker jack-J78, pin1 and W3.
Just solder a .001 uF disc ceramic cap and attach other end to center
conductor of the RG-174.
Full instructions on my website. Use static protection while
handling the open sub-receiver.

73, Ed - KL7UW
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Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3?

In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking it would
be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one K3.

Doug NA1DX
[hidden email]
www.ellmore.net/na1dx

73, Ed - KL7UW
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alsopb

Re: IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?

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Guys,

Before trashing this, one actually needs to use it as I have for years.

I've used it with the ROCKY (free) panadapter program and SKIMMER ($75)
cw decode program. You do need an SDR and available sound card to use them.

ROCKY is a bare bones spectrum display. It can be sized and easily fit
on your computer display along witht logging programs which don't hog
the entire display. This is where a panadapter diisplay ought to be
IMHO. The frequency scale is relative in KHz. It is not the rigs
frequency. There are no bells and whistles like point and click.
Despite these short commings it is perfectly adequate for busting
pileups. You simply tune the subrx to the blip that you think the DX
is working and ID it by ear. There is no concern about offsets et
al. It is simplicity and works great. Only occasionally have I
wished for a bit more. A bit more turns out to be SKIMMER.

The next step up is SKIMMER. It has rig control and displays a true
frequency scale. While you could probably use the display on phone,
its main purpose is to decode all the CW signals within its 24KHz decode
window. There is point and click and spotting of decoded signals. It
provides a band map and also a tabulation of calls decoded that can be
displayed sorted alphabetically. There also exists a program that moves
the 24 KHz window around with user set dwell times. SKIMMER is
excellent for contests and busting very difficult CW pileups -- if you
can hear most of the calling stations. For CW contests it is in
invisible second op spot generator that nicely feeds N1MM and other
contest programs. These spots are high value spots in that you're
actually hearing them.

While none of this approaches the P3's sophistication. I have found it
to be perfectly adequate. I'm not influenced by how sexy the display
is or a bunch of bells and whistles. KISS is what I'm happy with.

Try it, you may like it.

I'm just a satisfied user I have in pecuniary interests in either program.

73 de Brian/K3KO

On 1/28/2015 10:36 PM, Tom Blahovici wrote:

> Harry,
> While its a nice idea there are a couple of commands missing in the api to allow this to be done properly. If all you are interested is seeing the spectrum and doing qsys it probably is possible. But to do the job semi-correctly you would need some customized code to do so.
> Tom
> va2fsq.com
>
> On Jan 28, 2015 10:10 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Thank you
>> I already have the Clifton labs Buffer amp and a softrock lite that I was got a while ago.
>> It would be interesting if a Second P3 could be hooked up,I suspect it would have to be coded for the P3 to know what VFO it is looking at.
>> I'll have to look into if someone already has written a NaP3 type program that supports 2 Receivers(I only played with that program briefly and found it to be nice)
>>
>> From: Mike Harris <[hidden email]>
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 6:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
>>
>> See PVRC (Potomac Valley Radio Club) Newsletter June 2012.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Mike VP8NO
>>
>> On 28/01/2015 18:20, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>>> That would be nice
>>> You could run two P3s
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Doug Ellmore <[hidden email]>
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:39 PM
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
>>>
>>> Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3?
>>>
>>> In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking it would
>>> be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one K3.
>>>
>>>
>>> Doug NA1DX
>>> [hidden email]
>>> www.ellmore.net/na1dx
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Re: IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?

I am using Rocky with my KX3 I/Q output and it works VERY well. I
should also point out that the latest version 3.32 will decode CW and
PSK31 signals !!! I had to use a laptop with a stereo input USB sound
card ($15 from Amazon) and it gives me 96Khz of bandwidth. The reason
for the laptop is that the regular PC induced a ground loop and caused
artifacts on the KX3 main output to the other laptop that runs Propnet.

Ron W7HD

briana wrote:

> Guys,
>
> Before trashing this, one actually needs to use it as I have for years.
>
> I've used it with the ROCKY (free) panadapter program and SKIMMER
> ($75) cw decode program. You do need an SDR and available sound card
> to use them.
>
> ROCKY is a bare bones spectrum display. It can be sized and easily
> fit on your computer display along witht logging programs which don't
> hog the entire display. This is where a panadapter diisplay ought to
> be IMHO. The frequency scale is relative in KHz. It is not the rigs
> frequency. There are no bells and whistles like point and click.
> Despite these short commings it is perfectly adequate for busting
> pileups. You simply tune the subrx to the blip that you think the DX
> is working and ID it by ear. There is no concern about offsets et
> al. It is simplicity and works great. Only occasionally have I
> wished for a bit more. A bit more turns out to be SKIMMER.
>
> The next step up is SKIMMER. It has rig control and displays a true
> frequency scale. While you could probably use the display on phone,
> its main purpose is to decode all the CW signals within its 24KHz
> decode window. There is point and click and spotting of decoded
> signals. It provides a band map and also a tabulation of calls
> decoded that can be displayed sorted alphabetically. There also exists
> a program that moves the 24 KHz window around with user set dwell
> times. SKIMMER is excellent for contests and busting very difficult
> CW pileups -- if you can hear most of the calling stations. For CW
> contests it is in invisible second op spot generator that nicely feeds
> N1MM and other contest programs. These spots are high value spots in
> that you're actually hearing them.
>
> While none of this approaches the P3's sophistication. I have found
> it to be perfectly adequate. I'm not influenced by how sexy the
> display is or a bunch of bells and whistles. KISS is what I'm happy
> with.
>
> Try it, you may like it.
>
> I'm just a satisfied user I have in pecuniary interests in either
> program.
>
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>
> On 1/28/2015 10:36 PM, Tom Blahovici wrote:
>> Harry,
>> While its a nice idea there are a couple of commands missing in the
>> api to allow this to be done properly. If all you are interested is
>> seeing the spectrum and doing qsys it probably is possible. But to do
>> the job semi-correctly you would need some customized code to do so.
>> Tom
>> va2fsq.com
>>
>> On Jan 28, 2015 10:10 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Thank you
>>> I already have the Clifton labs Buffer amp and a softrock lite that
>>> I was got a while ago.
>>> It would be interesting if a Second P3 could be hooked up,I suspect
>>> it would have to be coded for the P3 to know what VFO it is looking
>>> at.
>>> I'll have to look into if someone already has written a NaP3 type
>>> program that supports 2 Receivers(I only played with that program
>>> briefly and found it to be nice)
>>>
>>> From: Mike Harris <[hidden email]>
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 6:36 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
>>> See PVRC (Potomac Valley Radio Club) Newsletter June 2012.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Mike VP8NO
>>>
>>> On 28/01/2015 18:20, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>>>> That would be nice
>>>> You could run two P3s
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Doug Ellmore <[hidden email]>
>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:39 PM
>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3?
>>>>
>>>> In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking
>>>> it would
>>>> be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with
>>>> one K3.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Doug NA1DX
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>> www.ellmore.net/na1dx
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