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Hi All
Interested to read the mailings on this topic. I've not seen any reference to an effect which used sometimes to catch us out years back when using diodes to "de-click" audio installations. Shunting the coil with a diode (at least with the rather big telephone-type relays of the period) significantly delayed the release time. Maybe that's not so noticeable with more modern, miniature relays storing less energy? 73 de Alan G4LWA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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It's still the case that the diode will extend the release period. t =
L/R so a typical small relay, such as the Omron parts used in the K2 and K3 with 2 H inductance and 1Kohm resistance have a time constant of 2 ms. The time constant is not necessarily the same as the release time as there are both mechanical and electrical considerations, but it should give an idea of the magnitude of the release time. With the short L/R time constant of these relays the diode clamp does not make a huge change in release time. In the days of electromechanical switching offices, the Bell System used wire spring relays constructed with a large copper slug to intentionally lengthen the release time via a circulating current and associated magnetic field. I recall about a one second release period could be achieved with the largest slug. Jack K8ZOA ALAN GARD wrote: > Hi All > > Interested to read the mailings on this topic. I've not seen any reference to an effect which used sometimes to catch us out years back when using diodes to "de-click" audio installations. Shunting the coil with a diode (at least with the rather big telephone-type relays of the period) significantly delayed the release time. Maybe that's not so noticeable with more modern, miniature relays storing less energy? > > 73 de Alan G4LWA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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One point that I stumbled over is that adding a simple snubbing diode across
a relay coil increases the relay hold time. The current flow through the diode when the supply voltage is removed goes through the relay coil, countering the spring force that is returning the relay to the "normal" state. In a hot switching application, you may need the full spring force to pull the contacts apart quickly, or tack welds are created. If hold time or relay contact life reduction due to slow drop out while switching current are a factor, a slightly more complex snubber consisting of a zener diode in series with the diode might be appropriate. The zener voltage value is derived from the protection needs of the switching device. See http://relays.tycoelectronics.com/appnotes/app_pdfs/13c3264.pdf and http://relays.tycoelectronics.com/appnotes/app_pdfs/13c3311.pdf for the details. Dick, K6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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