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Inductive Kicks

ALAN GARD
Hi All
 
Interested to read the mailings on this topic.  I've not seen any reference to an effect which used sometimes to catch us out years back when using diodes to "de-click" audio installations. Shunting the coil with a diode (at least with the rather big telephone-type relays of the period) significantly delayed the release time.  Maybe that's not so noticeable with more modern, miniature relays storing less energy?
 
73 de Alan G4LWA
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Re: Inductive Kicks

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Re: Inductive Kicks

Jack Smith-6
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It's still the case that the diode will extend the release period. t =
L/R so a typical small relay, such as the Omron parts used in the K2 and
K3 with 2 H inductance and 1Kohm resistance have a time constant of 2
ms. The time constant is not necessarily the same as the release time as
there are both mechanical and electrical considerations, but it should
give an idea of the magnitude of the release time. With the short L/R
time constant of these relays the diode clamp does not make a huge
change in release time.

In the days of electromechanical switching offices, the Bell System used
wire spring relays constructed with a large copper slug to intentionally
lengthen the release time via a circulating current and associated
magnetic field. I recall about a one second release period could be
achieved with the largest slug.

Jack K8ZOA


ALAN GARD wrote:

> Hi All
>  
> Interested to read the mailings on this topic.  I've not seen any reference to an effect which used sometimes to catch us out years back when using diodes to "de-click" audio installations. Shunting the coil with a diode (at least with the rather big telephone-type relays of the period) significantly delayed the release time.  Maybe that's not so noticeable with more modern, miniature relays storing less energy?
>  
> 73 de Alan G4LWA
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Re: Inductive Kicks

Dick Dievendorff
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One point that I stumbled over is that adding a simple snubbing diode across
a relay coil increases the relay hold time. The current flow through the
diode when the supply voltage is removed goes through the relay coil,
countering the spring force that is returning the relay to the "normal"
state.

In a hot switching application, you may need the full spring force to pull
the contacts apart quickly, or tack welds are created.

If hold time or relay contact life reduction due to slow drop out while
switching current are a factor, a slightly more complex snubber consisting
of a zener diode in series with the diode might be appropriate. The zener
voltage value is derived from the protection needs of the switching device.
 
See http://relays.tycoelectronics.com/appnotes/app_pdfs/13c3264.pdf and
http://relays.tycoelectronics.com/appnotes/app_pdfs/13c3311.pdf  for the
details.

Dick, K6KR





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