Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3
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These two guys alone has done more than a bunch of JA engineers together with millions of capital,they made a radio that is hard to beat by them,so I go with them as well all the way down.
Hector AD4C "If freedom means something,it is the right to tell others what they don't want to hear" –George Orwell --- On Wed, 12/1/10, Terry Schieler <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Terry Schieler <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3 To: "'Lee Buller'" <[hidden email]>, "'Elecraft Reflector'" <[hidden email]> Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 6:22 PM In response to your friend's comment "I am not sure I want to buy a rig from a QRP company or any company that is owned by two guys," you might have pointed out that Collins Radio was, initially at least, owned by ONE guy, Art Collins. The founder of Heathkit was an individual who originally built aircraft. There are MANY examples of successful corporations that were founded and run for years by an individual. In my mind, if ONE guy can be THAT good, then I'll go with the TWO we have here! Terry, W0FM -----Original Message----- From: Lee Buller [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:14 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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* On 2010 01 Dec 09:16 -0600, Lee Buller wrote:
> He said, "I think Yaesu, ICOM, and Kenwood will still be around in 10 years. > Will Elecraft?" With Motorola having a majority share of Vertex/Standard, will Yaesu be around in 10 years? Even with the release of the TS-590, Kenwood's interest in the serious high-end of HF gear has been in some doubt for a long time. That leaves only Icom who appears serious enough to be around a decade hence as a full line manufacturer. I'll go further and suggest that 10 years from now the amateur radio market place will look almost nothing like it does today. Wouxun is now on the tongue of a lot of hams. Expect more Chinese imports to follow and they *will* undercut the Japanese on price. The question is when their performance will match the Japanese Big Three offerings. While the Big Three are responding to Elecraft now, their real worry would seem to be the up and coming Chinese as they are working from the same playbook the Japanese used 40 years ago. But, Lee, your logical answers were unheeded because some people cannot be outside of the comfort zone of owning what everyone else owns. The examples of this are legion. In his mind, Elecraft is a bit player and not a "safe bet". The problem is psychological, not logical. Elecraft interested me way back when W0EB had a booth at the KS Convention years ago. I just didn't express that interest outwardly nor really to myself, but I was interested to see where this company was going in the future. The seed for buying a K3 was really only planted about a year ago as I overheard testimonial after testimonial on the bands. Yet, I took my time and did my homework (that conservative German nature coming through I guess) and decided to pull the trigger before this autumn's operating season. As Wayne stated, Elecraft's customers are the best sales force the company has. Clearly, the K3 is not for everyone for various reasons, but for a lot of us it is a fine radio that will find a home in our shacks for years to come. 73, de Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Last spring I went hat in hand to my wife with the 3-year old K3
brochure. I did make an offer that she could not refuse (pay off the loan on her Toyota Sienna). We plundered my 401K account for $12K; I got $4K and she got $8K. Of course the interest on her car loan was way more than what the 401K was earning. Also, we had been laid off six months before so lessening the monthly cash-flow by $600 didn't hurt. It's amazing how laid-off at 66 turns into retired! I waited at least three years before buying, but that was because I did not figure that we could afford it. My wife really surprised me. She did say that Santa was going on vacation for ten years! Ho! Ho! 73, Ed - KL7UW ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 09:27:46 -0800 (PST) From: Wes Stewart <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3 To: Guy Olinger K2AV <[hidden email]> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 We are in the same boat. I've been working on and off on a LPD antenna to replace my HB 20-meter monobander. After chasing ZL8X around the bands using just a 40/80 meter inverted vee (22 band/modes worked) I was saying to my wife that maybe I should just breakdown and buy something. She said, "How much?" I said, "About $1500 or so." She said, "Buy it, we have the money." Of course we have the money because I've been frugal. Also she thinks I'll get the bathroom remodeled faster if I'm not working on antennas. :-) Whenever I've thought that there was something that I absolutely, positively couldn't live without, I have just waited a month to see how I felt then. Usually, I could live without it, if not, I bought it. Wes N7WS 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 ====================================== BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com EME: 144-800*w, 432-100w, 1296-testing*, 3400-winter? DUBUS Magazine USA Rep [hidden email] ====================================== *temp not in service ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Actually there are 8 K3's on Kermadec...so they told us.
Even have one set up as a 6M beacon. Forgot to ask what amps they were using...oh well..:-) 73's Gary On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:27 AM, Jim Sheldon <[hidden email]> wrote: > Yup, > I just worked ZL8X on 30 meters a while ago. My IC-7000 (soon to be > replaced by a K3/P3 combo) could barely hear them off my Butternut HF2V > vertical, but once I got the split set to where they were listening, grabbed > 'em first call. I know they have some K3's there and I'd almost bet dollars > to donuts that the op on the Kermadec end was running one. I'd also bet > that if I had a K3 in place of that little IC-7000, I wouldn't have had any > trouble hearing them at all. > > Jim - W0EB > > > Isn't it amazing the subjects that come up when someone's favorite > > non-Elecraft radio company is getting it's butt kicked in the > > contest wars. That "more K3 than anything else combined" at the > > WRTC really rankled some nerves. I don't think I have ever heard > > "will the company still be here in 10 years" used before in a > > discussion about what radio to buy. They are really getting > > desperate. > > > > 73, Guy. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile http://www.qsl.net/vk4fd/ K3 #679, P3 #546 For everything else there's Mastercard!!! ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Hi Ron,
Correct , in the case of Icom, marine gears and commercial radios are far more profitable. From the reading of the annual report 2009 of Icom posted in www.Icom.jp.co , ham gears only contributed 10% of their business. Like other export manufacturers in japan , they were hard hit by strong JPY. While I was in Osaka last month, I did voice my concern about profitability and survival in front of them. Johnny VR2Xmc Sent from my iPhone 4 "Ron D'Eau Claire" <[hidden email]> 於 2010年12月2日 上午7:22 寫道： > I suspect Icom's focus and main income is marine and aircraft gear - > especially the huge GMDSS marine market. The operational requirements for > GMDSS gear is similar to Ham needs - SSB across the HF bands and FM in VHF - > so I suspect they'll continue to build "ham gear" as long as there's a > profit there. But there's nothing like the HUGE market for virtually > identical (and so easy to manufacture and support) GMDSS rigs. > > That might also suggest why ICOM has not been real fast to address CW keying > issues when they do occur - they relate only to the Amateur market. > > E.F Johnson went the same way, moving out of the Ham market an into the > (then very lucrative) land mobile market in the 70's and 80's. When land > mobile went to VHF trunking systems - something with no direct application > to the Ham market - Johnson simply stopped making Ham gear. > > Ron AC7AC > > P.S. In this world of tag lines let me offer, ""Once you've stood a busy > watch or two the code is yours for keeps. After that it's simply a language > that you know, that you can't forget if you tried. By Jingo, you'll think in > dots and dashes for the rest of your life." Raddall, 'The Nymph and the > Lamp' > > > -----Original Message----- > > Even with the release of the TS-590, Kenwood's > interest in the serious high-end of HF gear has been in some doubt for a > long time. That leaves only Icom who appears serious enough to be > around a decade hence as a full line manufacturer. > > > 73, de Nate >> > > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Acom is one of the linear amp.
Sent from my iPhone 4 Gary Gregory <[hidden email]> 於 2010年12月2日 上午9:08 寫道： > Actually there are 8 K3's on Kermadec...so they told us. > > Even have one set up as a 6M beacon. > > Forgot to ask what amps they were using...oh well..:-) > > 73's > Gary > > On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:27 AM, Jim Sheldon <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Yup, >> I just worked ZL8X on 30 meters a while ago. My IC-7000 (soon to be >> replaced by a K3/P3 combo) could barely hear them off my Butternut HF2V >> vertical, but once I got the split set to where they were listening, grabbed >> 'em first call. I know they have some K3's there and I'd almost bet dollars >> to donuts that the op on the Kermadec end was running one. I'd also bet >> that if I had a K3 in place of that little IC-7000, I wouldn't have had any >> trouble hearing them at all. >> >> Jim - W0EB >> >>> Isn't it amazing the subjects that come up when someone's favorite >>> non-Elecraft radio company is getting it's butt kicked in the >>> contest wars. That "more K3 than anything else combined" at the >>> WRTC really rankled some nerves. I don't think I have ever heard >>> "will the company still be here in 10 years" used before in a >>> discussion about what radio to buy. They are really getting >>> desperate. >>> >>> 73, Guy. >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > > > > -- > Gary > VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile > http://www.qsl.net/vk4fd/ > K3 #679, P3 #546 > For everything else there's Mastercard!!! > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Any company can have something catastrophic happen in 10 years that affects
their future business whether they are a small private company or a large corporation. We have all seen cases of both. And we have all seen companies of all sizes that continue on with greatness. I like to think the glass is half full. If you are thinking out 10 years you get to enjoy whatever brand of radio you buy and get your money's worth of enjoyment. Even if a company does not go out of business you still need to deal with obsolescence. It is difficult to get parts for some obsolete rigs, even from the large companies that are still introducing new equipment. I would assume in 10 years I would be into a K4, K50, FT500,000, an IC-80,000, Flex 1,000,000 or my K3's with all kinds of upgrades so it is still on top of the heap. But in the mean time I am really enjoying my K3's. Now I go back into my hole. 73, N2TK,Tony #311 #1435 -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Nate Bargmann Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 6:07 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Conversation about FT-5000 vs K3 * On 2010 01 Dec 09:16 -0600, Lee Buller wrote: > He said, "I think Yaesu, ICOM, and Kenwood will still be around in 10 years. > Will Elecraft?" With Motorola having a majority share of Vertex/Standard, will Yaesu be around in 10 years? Even with the release of the TS-590, Kenwood's interest in the serious high-end of HF gear has been in some doubt for a long time. That leaves only Icom who appears serious enough to be around a decade hence as a full line manufacturer. I'll go further and suggest that 10 years from now the amateur radio market place will look almost nothing like it does today. Wouxun is now on the tongue of a lot of hams. Expect more Chinese imports to follow and they *will* undercut the Japanese on price. The question is when their performance will match the Japanese Big Three offerings. While the Big Three are responding to Elecraft now, their real worry would seem to be the up and coming Chinese as they are working from the same playbook the Japanese used 40 years ago. But, Lee, your logical answers were unheeded because some people cannot be outside of the comfort zone of owning what everyone else owns. The examples of this are legion. In his mind, Elecraft is a bit player and not a "safe bet". The problem is psychological, not logical. Elecraft interested me way back when W0EB had a booth at the KS Convention years ago. I just didn't express that interest outwardly nor really to myself, but I was interested to see where this company was going in the future. The seed for buying a K3 was really only planted about a year ago as I overheard testimonial after testimonial on the bands. Yet, I took my time and did my homework (that conservative German nature coming through I guess) and decided to pull the trigger before this autumn's operating season. As Wayne stated, Elecraft's customers are the best sales force the company has. Clearly, the K3 is not for everyone for various reasons, but for a lot of us it is a fine radio that will find a home in our shacks for years to come. 73, de Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Martin F. Jue... :)
James K2QI On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:32 PM, K9ZTV <[hidden email]> wrote: > To name just a few more . . . > > Oscar Hammarlund (never spelt with an "e" although a lot hams try to) > > Gus Gonsett (two "ts" but the company only had one) . . . > > Herb Johnson (Swan Electronics, named after his father) > > Edgar F. Johnson (E.F. Johnson) > > William M. Nye (Nye-Viking) > > Leo Meyerson (World Radio Labs and "Galaxy" and "Globe") > > James Millen (National Radio Co. & James Millen Manufacturing Co.) > > William J. Halligan (Hallicrafters) > > Russ Planck & E.G. Shalkhauser (RME) > > The list goes on and on . . . > > 73, > > Kent K9ZTV > > > > > > On 12/1/2010 12:22 PM, Terry Schieler wrote: > > There are MANY examples of successful corporations that were > > founded and run for years by an individual. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- 73 de James K2QI President UNARC/4U1UN ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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