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Michael Walker

Interfacing TS480 to KPA500

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My remote base runs on a TS480 and I will be adding a KPA500 to the mix.

In going over the documentation, I find that there is very little detail on
actually interfacing on the RS232 port. From what little I can read, I see
it is as simple as plug it in and go, or am I missing something in the
configuration.

Can I pass RS232 signal through the Amp or is it a passive listener and
handles band changes.

I will also be using a KRC2 to change filters and antennas in the same
solution.

Mike va3mw
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Jack Brindle-2

Re: Interfacing TS480 to KPA500

Mike;

First, the KPA serial ports are _not_ pass-through. Each has a specific purpose and don’t actually work together.

How you set up the XCVR serial port connection depends entirely on whether there is a computer in the
situation or not, and whether that computer polls the radio for information. Since this is a remote base, can we
assume that a computer is involved and it is getting info from the radio? If so, then you need to set up the
KPA500 so that it simply eavesdrops on the conversation. You will need to fabricate a Y adapter for this. In
the case of the KPA all signals can go through, but realistically you only need pins 2, 3, 5 and (I believe) 8
connected. Pin 8 is the handshake pin for the TS480, and is needed to allow the radio to send data on the
RS-232 port. It does not need to be connected to the KPA500 port, but if it is the KPA will simply ignore it.
Note that the KPA does not make a connection to that pin, so if you set the station up without a computer,
you will need to provide +12V for that signal to allow the TS480 to talk.

As the manual indicates on page 12, there are three menu items involved with this situation. You will
need to set the RADIO item to SERIAL, then set the RS232 X item to the appropriate data rate. Finally,
since the computer is polling the radio for data, set SER POLL to OFF. If there is nothing doing the polling,
you will need to set this item to ON to allow the KPA to do this task.

With this setup, things should work just fine. But we aren’t finished, you did mention a KRC2, so let’s discuss that.

I would suggest inserting the KRC2 in between the TS-480 and the KPA500. Make sure that only pins 2, 3 and 5
go to the KRC2 ports. That pesky TS480 handshake signal should not go through the KRC2 without making
changes inside the KRC2. What changes? Disconnect the W jumpers for the handshake pins and then jumper
across the connector side of the pins so that the signal gets passed from one DE9 to the other. Then set the
serial port data rate jumpers for the appropriate rate. The KRC2 can do 4800, 9600 and 19200 bps with the V1.6
firmware. You probably want to run as fast as you can on the serial port, which means 19200 bps.
You can then plug the serial port cables into their appropriate connectors and try things out.

Be sure to check to make sure that pin 8 is the handshake pin needed for the TS480. I think it is that pin, but
will need to check it. Also look at the KRC2 manual for the proper W jumpers. I’ll also take a look and privately
email you what I come up with.

Your station should work quite well in this configuration. Good luck!

73,

Jack Brindle, W6FB
Elecraft Engineering

On May 22, 2014, at 7:38 AM, Michael Walker <[hidden email]> wrote:

> All
>
> My remote base runs on a TS480 and I will be adding a KPA500 to the mix.
>
> In going over the documentation, I find that there is very little detail on
> actually interfacing on the RS232 port. From what little I can read, I see
> it is as simple as plug it in and go, or am I missing something in the
> configuration.
>
> Can I pass RS232 signal through the Amp or is it a passive listener and
> handles band changes.
>
> I will also be using a KRC2 to change filters and antennas in the same
> solution.
>
> Mike va3mw
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Michael Walker

Re: Interfacing TS480 to KPA500

Hi Jack

Thanks for the detailed reply. Yep, I am aware of all the RS232 gotchas
with the KRC2. :) I have mine wired to handle the handshaking as well.

Making the KPA500 a Passive listener should be just fine. I can then also
watch the amp on the RS232 port separately.

73, Mike va3mw

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Jack Brindle <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Mike;
>
> First, the KPA serial ports are _not_ pass-through. Each has a specific
> purpose and don’t actually work together.
>
> How you set up the XCVR serial port connection depends entirely on whether
> there is a computer in the
> situation or not, and whether that computer polls the radio for
> information. Since this is a remote base, can we
> assume that a computer is involved and it is getting info from the radio?
> If so, then you need to set up the
> KPA500 so that it simply eavesdrops on the conversation. You will need to
> fabricate a Y adapter for this. In
> the case of the KPA all signals can go through, but realistically you only
> need pins 2, 3, 5 and (I believe) 8
> connected. Pin 8 is the handshake pin for the TS480, and is needed to
> allow the radio to send data on the
> RS-232 port. It does not need to be connected to the KPA500 port, but if
> it is the KPA will simply ignore it.
> Note that the KPA does not make a connection to that pin, so if you set
> the station up without a computer,
> you will need to provide +12V for that signal to allow the TS480 to talk.
>
> As the manual indicates on page 12, there are three menu items involved
> with this situation. You will
> need to set the RADIO item to SERIAL, then set the RS232 X item to the
> appropriate data rate. Finally,
> since the computer is polling the radio for data, set SER POLL to OFF. If
> there is nothing doing the polling,
> you will need to set this item to ON to allow the KPA to do this task.
>
> With this setup, things should work just fine. But we aren’t finished, you
> did mention a KRC2, so let’s discuss that.
>
> I would suggest inserting the KRC2 in between the TS-480 and the KPA500.
> Make sure that only pins 2, 3 and 5
> go to the KRC2 ports. That pesky TS480 handshake signal should not go
> through the KRC2 without making
> changes inside the KRC2. What changes? Disconnect the W jumpers for the
> handshake pins and then jumper
> across the connector side of the pins so that the signal gets passed from
> one DE9 to the other. Then set the
> serial port data rate jumpers for the appropriate rate. The KRC2 can do
> 4800, 9600 and 19200 bps with the V1.6
> firmware. You probably want to run as fast as you can on the serial port,
> which means 19200 bps.
> You can then plug the serial port cables into their appropriate connectors
> and try things out.
>
> Be sure to check to make sure that pin 8 is the handshake pin needed for
> the TS480. I think it is that pin, but
> will need to check it. Also look at the KRC2 manual for the proper W
> jumpers. I’ll also take a look and privately
> email you what I come up with.
>
> Your station should work quite well in this configuration. Good luck!
>
> 73,
>
> Jack Brindle, W6FB
> Elecraft Engineering
>
>
> On May 22, 2014, at 7:38 AM, Michael Walker <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > All
> >
> > My remote base runs on a TS480 and I will be adding a KPA500 to the mix.
> >
> > In going over the documentation, I find that there is very little detail
> on
> > actually interfacing on the RS232 port. From what little I can read, I
> see
> > it is as simple as plug it in and go, or am I missing something in the
> > configuration.
> >
> > Can I pass RS232 signal through the Amp or is it a passive listener and
> > handles band changes.
> >
> > I will also be using a KRC2 to change filters and antennas in the same
> > solution.
> >
> > Mike va3mw
> > ______________________________________________________________
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Rick WA6NHC

Re: Interfacing TS480 to KPA500

Mmm, have to watch that greeting "Hi Jack" around an airport... Might get you in trouble.

Using the KPA utility (or the remote server, haven't used it) works well for this, if you're running something like TeamViewer to control the home station computer (and then the radio). That's what I do on the K line, everything is accessible on a laptop, iPad, iPhone, Nook (well you get the idea). SUPER slick and I can even 'see' the P3 because I leave the web cam pointing at it before I leave (via Skype, same as the audio). Pure nerd food. ;o)

73 Mike, nice to see you on this group too,
Rick, WA6NHC

iPad = small keypad = typos = sorry ;-)

> On May 22, 2014, at 12:00 PM, Michael Walker <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Jack
>
> Thanks for the detailed reply. Yep, I am aware of all the RS232 gotchas
> with the KRC2. :) I have mine wired to handle the handshaking as well.
>
> Making the KPA500 a Passive listener should be just fine. I can then also
> watch the amp on the RS232 port separately.
>
> 73, Mike va3mw
>
>
>
>> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Jack Brindle <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Mike;
>>
>> First, the KPA serial ports are _not_ pass-through. Each has a specific
>> purpose and don’t actually work together.
>>
>> How you set up the XCVR serial port connection depends entirely on whether
>> there is a computer in the
>> situation or not, and whether that computer polls the radio for
>> information. Since this is a remote base, can we
>> assume that a computer is involved and it is getting info from the radio?
>> If so, then you need to set up the
>> KPA500 so that it simply eavesdrops on the conversation. You will need to
>> fabricate a Y adapter for this. In
>> the case of the KPA all signals can go through, but realistically you only
>> need pins 2, 3, 5 and (I believe) 8
>> connected. Pin 8 is the handshake pin for the TS480, and is needed to
>> allow the radio to send data on the
>> RS-232 port. It does not need to be connected to the KPA500 port, but if
>> it is the KPA will simply ignore it.
>> Note that the KPA does not make a connection to that pin, so if you set
>> the station up without a computer,
>> you will need to provide +12V for that signal to allow the TS480 to talk.
>>
>> As the manual indicates on page 12, there are three menu items involved
>> with this situation. You will
>> need to set the RADIO item to SERIAL, then set the RS232 X item to the
>> appropriate data rate. Finally,
>> since the computer is polling the radio for data, set SER POLL to OFF. If
>> there is nothing doing the polling,
>> you will need to set this item to ON to allow the KPA to do this task.
>>
>> With this setup, things should work just fine. But we aren’t finished, you
>> did mention a KRC2, so let’s discuss that.
>>
>> I would suggest inserting the KRC2 in between the TS-480 and the KPA500.
>> Make sure that only pins 2, 3 and 5
>> go to the KRC2 ports. That pesky TS480 handshake signal should not go
>> through the KRC2 without making
>> changes inside the KRC2. What changes? Disconnect the W jumpers for the
>> handshake pins and then jumper
>> across the connector side of the pins so that the signal gets passed from
>> one DE9 to the other. Then set the
>> serial port data rate jumpers for the appropriate rate. The KRC2 can do
>> 4800, 9600 and 19200 bps with the V1.6
>> firmware. You probably want to run as fast as you can on the serial port,
>> which means 19200 bps.
>> You can then plug the serial port cables into their appropriate connectors
>> and try things out.
>>
>> Be sure to check to make sure that pin 8 is the handshake pin needed for
>> the TS480. I think it is that pin, but
>> will need to check it. Also look at the KRC2 manual for the proper W
>> jumpers. I’ll also take a look and privately
>> email you what I come up with.
>>
>> Your station should work quite well in this configuration. Good luck!
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Jack Brindle, W6FB
>> Elecraft Engineering
>>
>>
>>> On May 22, 2014, at 7:38 AM, Michael Walker <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> All
>>>
>>> My remote base runs on a TS480 and I will be adding a KPA500 to the mix.
>>>
>>> In going over the documentation, I find that there is very little detail
>> on
>>> actually interfacing on the RS232 port. From what little I can read, I
>> see
>>> it is as simple as plug it in and go, or am I missing something in the
>>> configuration.
>>>
>>> Can I pass RS232 signal through the Amp or is it a passive listener and
>>> handles band changes.
>>>
>>> I will also be using a KRC2 to change filters and antennas in the same
>>> solution.
>>>
>>> Mike va3mw
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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Re: Interfacing TS480 to KPA500

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I have found while trying to interface the TS-480SAT with my computer and my SPE Expert 1K that I have not been able to make everything work the way it does with my K3. The RS-232 port on the TS-480 seems to want the computer to be the master and if connected to the computer it does not spontaneously transmit data. So, if the TS-480 is connected to the amp directly with the RTS and DTS shorted it works with the amp but will not accept CAT data from the computer. If it is connected directly to an RS-232 port on the computer the TS-480 will not send data to the amp. If you unplug the computer and plug in the amp, the data goes to the amp or the data from the computer will go to the amp and the TS-480. It is a bit difficult to grasp, but the bottom line with both amp and computer connected any command to change bands from the computer is executed in both the transceiver and the amp, but any commands to change frequency from the TS-480 are not
executed until you transmit and the frequency counter in the Expert detects the new frequency. I do not know how this compares with the KPA-500. My K3 has a band decoder in the accessory plug and will change the amp band when the band is changed either by a K3 control or by the Computer. I will enjoy following this thread to find out where you go with this. RS-232 seems to be so flexible that each new combination of equipment is an adventure.

Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman
K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart
On Thursday, May 22, 2014 3:23 PM, Jack Brindle <[hidden email]> wrote:

Mike;

First, the KPA serial ports are _not_ pass-through. Each has a specific purpose and don’t actually work together.

How you set up the XCVR serial port connection depends entirely on whether there is a computer in the
situation or not, and whether that computer polls the radio for information. Since this is a remote base, can we
assume that a computer is involved and it is getting info from the radio? If so, then you need to set up the
KPA500 so that it simply eavesdrops on the conversation. You will need to fabricate a Y adapter for this. In
the case of the KPA all signals can go through, but realistically you only need pins 2, 3, 5 and (I believe) 8
connected. Pin 8 is the handshake pin for the TS480, and is needed to allow the radio to send data on the
RS-232 port. It does not need to be connected to the KPA500 port, but if it is the KPA will simply ignore it.
Note that the KPA does not make a connection to that pin, so if you set the station up without a computer,
you will need to provide +12V for that signal to allow the TS480 to talk.

As the manual indicates on page 12, there are three menu items involved with this situation. You will
need to set the RADIO item to SERIAL, then set the RS232 X item to the appropriate data rate. Finally,
since the computer is polling the radio for data, set SER POLL to OFF. If there is nothing doing the polling,
you will need to set this item to ON to allow the KPA to do this task.

With this setup, things should work just fine. But we aren’t finished, you did mention a KRC2, so let’s discuss that.

I would suggest inserting the KRC2 in between the TS-480 and the KPA500. Make sure that only pins 2, 3 and 5
go to the KRC2 ports. That pesky TS480 handshake signal should not go through the KRC2 without making
changes inside the KRC2. What changes? Disconnect the W jumpers for the handshake pins and then jumper
across the connector side of the pins so that the signal gets passed from one DE9 to the other. Then set the
serial port data rate jumpers for the appropriate rate. The KRC2 can do 4800, 9600 and 19200 bps with the V1.6
firmware. You probably want to run as fast as you can on the serial port, which means 19200 bps.
You can then plug the serial port cables into their appropriate connectors and try things out.

Be sure to check to make sure that pin 8 is the handshake pin needed for the TS480. I think it is that pin, but
will need to check it. Also look at the KRC2 manual for the proper W jumpers. I’ll also take a look and privately
email you what I come up with.

Your station should work quite well in this configuration. Good luck!

73,

Jack Brindle, W6FB
Elecraft Engineering

On May 22, 2014, at 7:38 AM, Michael Walker <[hidden email]> wrote:

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